We have failed to address 3 primary needs in FA

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The only thing that matters for this team next season is Romo being healthy. If he is, we will compete, if he gets injured we will be picking in the top 10 again no matter who we got or didn't get in free agency.

NFC East compete.
 

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going by jerrys comments, and his kid,
Dallas wont draft a QB, OR RB , @ # 4
Jerry said he was leaning toward a developmental qb which means lower round guy.
They dont value RB's , so I doubt they make much effort to get zeke or henry, again will be a low round guy.

I think they go defense at 4 , DE or whoever is the best defensive player.
 

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Pass rush (all apologies to Mayowa, but he's a role player), CB (so we could cut Carr & his salary), and backup QB. Not whining, but this is the reality. Which, sadly, locks us into these positions of need in the draft. Going to be hard to take the BPA with each pick with these glaring holes. C'est le vie, but after a 4-12 season, an increased salary cap, and possibility of +$9M more with cutting Carr, I expected more. Just cannot see why we were not in on 1 year deals for Mario Williams and Prince Amukamura at the reasonable salaries they got.

This draft might have to be about QUANTITY more so than quality. Need: QB, WR, G/C, RT on Offense. A RB like Paul Perkins in R4/5 fits with me. A Doomsday Defense? We need 2-DE's, 2-DT's, 2-CB's and SS if BJones moves to FS, a passionate MLB, and upgrade SLB. Jerry and Stephen have a lot of work to do
 

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Its still early, DE will definitely be addressed with a draft pick or a guy like Hardy.

I'm actually OK with Kellen Moore as the backup but that is a minority opinion. If the plan is to take a QB like Goff or Wentz high in the draft they would wait to see if they get the player they want, then go after a veteran backup if they don't get the pick they want after the dust settles from the draft.

I'm not worried about the CB spot, the FAs like Robinson are going to be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart and this draft has a lot of good players available in the 2nd and 3rd round. I also think Olatoye is better than people think and will be a very good 4th or 5th CB next year.

Also I would bet the Cowboys could bump their offer to Leon Hall tonight and he would sign before Midnight.

:dance::oldcouple: It's all good baby

Wooohoooooo!
 

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Need to pay closer attention to what is stated. The team acquired enough depth to have positions covered with veterans. The majority of upgrade, as is the policy in effect for the past five seasons, is to add top levels of talent through the draft.

That's just the way things are being done. There is enough top shelf talent on the team, to be able to do just this, and be a high level competitive.

Why don't people listen to those in the Dallas FO and those on the board who have been through this for years. Dallas is trying to obtain low cost
bridge players who fill holes before the draft so that they can take BPA. Stephen and Garrett have both said they are comfortable with Kellen Moore
backing up Romo this season and they are likely to address QB in the 3rd or 4th round of the draft. They have spent a great deal of time with Prescott so
look for them to try and get him. They will draft a CB and DL in the draft you can be sure. If they don't trade down, it looks like Ramsey, Bosa or Buckner in the 1st. Guys, they will field a pretty good team by the time training camp is done so don't fret so much. All good things come to those who have patience and wait.
 

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Pass rush (all apologies to Mayowa, but he's a role player), CB (so we could cut Carr & his salary), and backup QB. Not whining, but this is the reality. Which, sadly, locks us into these positions of need in the draft. Going to be hard to take the BPA with each pick with these glaring holes. C'est le vie, but after a 4-12 season, an increased salary cap, and possibility of +$9M more with cutting Carr, I expected more. Just cannot see why we were not in on 1 year deals for Mario Williams and Prince Amukamura at the reasonable salaries they got.

I am with you on all accounts but in all honesty there was nothing but garbage out there this year and the decent players that where available got insanely enormous contract with the Giants - Vernon and Jenkins. I actually like the DT signing and wouldn't at all mind if we went after RG3. Can't fault them for not grabbing any of these QBs out there because Kellen Moore is just as good as any of them. What I can't stand is I thought we already had next to nothing at running back and now we defenitly have nothing(McFadden) next to nothing(Morris) at RB.

PS, the only guy I would have broken the bank for this year was Trumaine Johnson but he never hit the open market.
 

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It's true. We're going into the draft with an arguably worse roster than we had last year--with the gaping holes at backup QB and DE and Carr being a year older.

This offseason so far has shown that this team puts all it's eggs into the Romo basket, and expects him too make up for the considerable weaknesses elsewhere on the roster.

Does anyone actually believe we can draft two or three starters, let alone good ones, to fill these massive holes? Rookies who may or may not pan out. That's who we're pinning are hopes on?
 

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The offseason ain't over

Save the draft, it pretty much is.

That said, this franchise is/was not in the position to make runs at the top DEs, CBs or QBs available in free agency.
 

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CBs routinely start and play significant roles as rookies.
DEs...they don't record sacks, but they do play and collect pressures and tackles.
QBs are of almost no value, but a liability in the rookie year.

I'm not overly concerned. Robinson would have filled a temporary role for a year or two, but it's all about the money. People want us to draft for the future, not based on one season's needs, and you have to structure your free agent philosophy the same way, not by the players you go after (which is clearly for immediate need), but by salary structure.

It is what it is.
 

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Hall is still out there and minus his age he still would be an upgrade on the current status.
 

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CBs routinely start and play significant roles as rookies.
DEs...they don't record sacks, but they do play and collect pressures and tackles.
QBs are of almost no value, but a liability in the rookie year.

I'm not overly concerned. Robinson would have filled a temporary role for a year or two, but it's all about the money. People want us to draft for the future, not based on one season's needs, and you have to structure your free agent philosophy the same way, not by the players you go after (which is clearly for immediate need), but by salary structure.

It is what it is.

Whew. Guess we should never draft a rookie qb, since you know they have very little value.
 

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This front office loves quantity over quality. Unfortunately you need good players to win. The worst thing that could have happened for this front office and the blind homer fan base was the mega-fluke 12-4 2014 season because they now think they are doing it the right way, instead of seeing a 4-12 team that has one winning season in the last 6 seasons. Had they signed one guy from each of these 3 groups they would be ready to hit the draft and follow their board.

1. Williams, Charles Johnson, Bruce Irvin, JPP, Ayers or trade for Chandler Jones
2. Prince, Casey Howard, Jenkins, Carrol, Robinson, Hall
3. McCoy, Chase Daniel, M. Moore, maybe talked Hasselbeck into another year. Etc..

Instead they sign a DT who is a solid player, not a star but in a draft described as the deepest DT draft maybe ever.
They sign a RB when they just proved that you can be a top 5 rushing team with this oline no matter who is back there.
Just puzzling as if they are watching a different team.
 

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This front office loves quantity over quality. Unfortunately you need good players to win. The worst thing that could have happened for this front office and the blind homer fan base was the mega-fluke 12-4 2014 season because they now think they are doing it the right way, instead of seeing a 4-12 team that has one winning season in the last 6 seasons. Had they signed one guy from each of these 3 groups they would be ready to hit the draft and follow their board.

1. Williams, Charles Johnson, Bruce Irvin, JPP, Ayers or trade for Chandler Jones
2. Prince, Casey Howard, Jenkins, Carrol, Robinson, Hall
3. McCoy, Chase Daniel, M. Moore, maybe talked Hasselbeck into another year. Etc..

Instead they sign a DT who is a solid player, not a star but in a draft described as the deepest DT draft maybe ever.
They sign a RB when they just proved that you can be a top 5 rushing team with this oline no matter who is back there.
Just puzzling as if they are watching a different team.

Start throwing price tags on all of the quoted players, and see why they fell out of view...as to talent,

Dallas resigned a lot of it's own as well as a good DE, DT, and RB. That is significant.
 

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Aside from Williams, Johnson, Jenkins and Daniels nobody broke the bank. And as far as DE's go even Williams tag was very reasonable. Keeping your own on a perennial 500 team is the best way to remain a perennial 500 team.
 
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While Carr is making too much for his stats he is still on our team and isn't the real hole in the secondary...
Regardless of signing a free agent I don't think we would really cut Carr. Mo Claiborne is half as reliable and half as good as Carr. Scandrick is our preferred slot CB.

I think looking for a cheap veteran CB in free agency was to provide depth since he really can't count on Claiborne to stay healthy or not get beat consistently.

We have B Jones but he had some issues at CB last year and probably would have a better chance to have a great career at Safety.
 

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It's true. We're going into the draft with an arguably worse roster than we had last year--with the gaping holes at backup QB and DE and Carr being a year older.

This offseason so far has shown that this team puts all it's eggs into the Romo basket, and expects him too make up for the considerable weaknesses elsewhere on the roster.

Does anyone actually believe we can draft two or three starters, let alone good ones, to fill these massive holes? Rookies who may or may not pan out. That's who we're pinning are hopes on?

Arguably a worse roster? Without last season's injuries and some younger players with veteran productions added? No way...I'm not buying into the bell cow role projected for Hardy and never realized as being a Walt Disney's 'When you wish upon a star...'

This team has had injuries operated upon and repairing. Almost all will be in the summer programs, except for Dunbar. A little more rest will do him well.

As to the draft, I have to be excited with the potential of adding three starting quality players to the roster. That, or two very strong players than can have an elevating effect on general play.
 

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Aside from Williams, Johnson, Jenkins and Daniels nobody broke the bank. And as far as DE's go even Williams tag was very reasonable. Keeping your own a perennial 500 team is the best way to remain a perennial 500 team.

Spoken well by someone who doesn't have a depth of memories from the past. No, top dollars do NOT grow a team. One spends those bucks WHEN the team only needs a single top piece to come to the top of the league. Dallas still has some time needed for team development...but by the way, they have two 12 win seasons in the past eight seasons as well as should have been in the NFC Championship Game both of those years...take ANOTHER look.:popcorn:
 

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Lol. Let me ask you this mr. king of the homers, they have been a 500 team for 20 years and counting...is it all bad luck? Because according to you and your big brain, they've never made a Bad move...?
:huh:


Spoken well by someone who doesn't have a depth of memories from the past. No, top dollars do NOT grow a team. One spends those bucks WHEN the team only needs a single top piece to come to the top of the league. Dallas still has some time needed for team development...but by the way, they have two 12 win seasons in the past eight seasons as well as should have been in the NFC Championship Game both of those years...take ANOTHER look.:popcorn:
 

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Lol. Let me ask you this mr. king of the homers, they have been a 500 team for 20 years and counting...is it all bad luck? Because according to you and your big brain, they've never made a Bad move...?
:huh:

Just fall back to the burn barrel and take one's daily dose of Ripple...as to insults for brain work, I'll make my own statements. Yours are just wrong and inadequate.
 
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