We're going to have to cut a quality d-linemen

[texbumthelife]

It's going to be really tough for him because he just has no quick move at the SDE position I hear. They have been trying to get
him some work at the 3T but, he has lots of competition there right now. He might make it back to the practice squad this year
and that's the best I can see for him at this juncture.

Im more worried about a quick move at the WDE spot. Anthony Spencer has no quick move and was/would have been a damn good SDE. I know Marinelli wants guys who cant get upfield, but can you imagine Gardner's big body banging into you on first and second and then Lawrence coming around the corner on 3rd?

You're probably right, due to amount of bodies we have, but I think the guy has something special.

 

[windjc]

I've been saying all year that Gardner should be moved inside. He played heavier at Standford. I don't know if he's build to carry 290. But that will be his position. Maybe a better 3-4 end.

His "position" will be on the practice squad. Or cut.

 

[windjc]

This is the last time I do any research for you. I put in the work that I base my evaluations on. I don't just make opinions as it seems that you do.

Tell me from the below who the Pro Bowler is, who the JAG is and who is the JAG we cut?

------------------Solo---Assist--Tackles for Loss--Total--Sacks---Hurries
Player A--------39------20--------------17-------------59-----15---------9
Player B--------37------8---------------13-------------45------7---------11
Player C--------20------17--------------9--------------37------6---------16

C is Mincey. B is Selvie the year before.

It really doesn't matter though. Mincey's stats were better than the other players on the DL in 2014. So, despite your hate of him, you should have hated everyone else more, including Selvie. And you should acknowledge that cutting your 5th or 6th best DL is STUPID.

Its so completely obvious that Mincey is better than Gardner or Lavar that its silly for you to keep skip skipping around the blatant facts. But, please, keep skip skipping.

 

[xwalker]

I probably falsely attributed his good play to Tyrone last season, etc.

He played inside against the Jags. He was out injured shortly thereafter. All of his previous games were at DE.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Hardy*

1. Lawrence
2. Mincey
3. Gregory
4. Russell
5. Gardner
6. Edwards
7. Crawford
8. Crawford
9. Hayden
10. Bishop
11. Coleman
12. McClain

 

[texbumthelife]

Hardy*

1. Lawrence
2. Mincey
3. Gregory
4. Russell
5. Gardner
6. Edwards
7. Crawford
8. Crawford
9. Hayden
10. Bishop
11. Coleman
12. McClain

I can see that for the first four weeks, with Gardner cut/PS after Hardy returns. I think both Crawfords will make it though.

 

[xwalker]

His "position" will be on the practice squad again. Or cut.

This.

He will have to make a drastic improvement soon to have any chance.

He was not very good in the SD game against 3rd string OL and has not looked good in the practice videos that I've seen

Russell has been way better.

Edwards has even been better. Edwards punished the backup OLinemen in the SD game.

 

[BlindFaith]

It really doesn't matter though. Mincey's stats were better than the other players on the DL in 2014.

A was Hardy for the record. So your keen player evaluation skills boil down to giving high grades to a guy because he's better than the other garbage around him. Got it.

I was calling for Selvie to be cut as well. Spencer never came around. Lawrence was the best guy we had early in camp, but got hurt. I've been saying that T Crawford will be a stud. I still have concerns that he can hold up inside physically, but when he's in there he is very good.

So yeah, I didn't like much of what we had. Mincey's rubbed me wrong from day one when Scandrick called him out for being late to practice. Mincey did the same thing at Jax. He's more concerned with his music career, if you call that music. Maybe he's a good guy, a good human being. I don't hate people. I do hate him as a player on this team. And Hayden. I've said this before - until Hayden and Mincey are off this team or relegated to bit time, we won't be an elite type defense.

 

[conner01]

Most of these guys are the same guys that contributed to our atrocious pass rush last season, yet now they're all quality? That makes absolutely no sense.

Lawrence played very little last year but came on strong at the end
Hardy wasn't here last year
Gregory wasn't here last year
You put better players outside and the guys inside tend to look better
And some guys like Crawford are really just coming into their own
The more talent you have the better the guys around them tend to play
Just part of the game

 

[windjc]

A was Hardy for the record. So your keen player evaluation skills boil down to giving high grades to a guy because he's better than the other garbage around him. Got it.

I was calling for Selvie to be cut as well. Spencer never came around. Lawrence was the best guy we had early in camp, but got hurt. I've been saying that T Crawford will be a stud. I still have concerns that he can hold up inside physically, but when he's in there he is very good.

So yeah, I didn't like much of what we had. Mincey's rubbed me wrong from day one when Scandrick called him out for being late to practice. Mincey did the same thing at Jax. He's more concerned with his music career, if you call that music. Maybe he's a good guy, a good human being. I don't hate people. I do hate him as a player on this team. And Hayden. I've said this before - until Hayden and Mincey are off this team or relegated to bit time, we won't be an elite type defense.

Finally! You're being honest about your butthurt. You don't like the guy. Ok. Well, tough tits. He is better than 50% of the guys competing for spots right now. Man up and deal with it.

And when a team carries 9 or 10 DL, the 9th and 10th player don't make the difference between elite and not elite. So even your justification for how these two players negatively impact the defense so strongly is illogical. Just stick with being honest about your feelings, and don't try to make it make logical sense. Because it doesn't.

 

[BlindFaith]

Its so completely obvious that Mincey is better than Gardner or Lavar that its silly for you to keep skip skipping around the blatant facts. But, please, keep skip skipping.

And it's not just about Gardner or Edwards. It's about Bishop, Coleman and any other DT that could be better. Mincey will see limited time at DE while Hardy is out. I really think Gregory impresses to a point where he plays a lot early on. When Hardy comes back, Mincey will be a bit player. They aren't going to take Lawrence off the field. Hardy and Gregory will play weak side. The Crawfords will play inside.

Mincey may see a handful of reps at DT in passing situations. I'd rather have Coleman for that. Hayden and Bishop would be your 1T. Then you have McClain. If healthy, he's better than Mincey inside.

So broaden your scope a bit.

 

[windjc]

And it's not just about Gardner or Edwards. It's about Bishop, Coleman and any other DT that could be better. Mincey will see limited time at DE while Hardy is out. I really think Gregory impresses to a point where he plays a lot early on. When Hardy comes back, Mincey will be a bit player. They aren't going to take Lawrence off the field. Hardy and Gregory will play weak side. The Crawfords will play inside.

Mincey may see a handful of reps at DT in passing situations. I'd rather have Coleman for that. Hayden and Bishop would be your 1T. Then you have McClain. If healthy, he's better than Mincey inside.

So broaden your scope a bit.

The only scope I see in your post is you making 5 or 6 assumptions to justify not playing Mincey. Here let me help you with those:
1. Coleman>Mincey. The same Coleman that was cut last year.
2. McClain>Mincey. McClain that can't play right now.
3. McClain being healthy.
4. Bishop>Mincey. Bishop that was cut last year.
5. Gregory impressing.
6. Crawfords both making team.
7.Crawfords>Mincey

Hey, brother, but keep living that dream!

 

[gmoney112]

Like x said, Edwards is pretty good. I think he's the 5th DE right now after Mincey.

It'll be interesting to see how Crawford (J), coleman and bishop play out. I think Coleman has outplayed Bishop but i dont know if he's outplayed Crawford.

Russell is probably going to make the team and McClain is probably gone.

I'd be tempted to go long at DL. A lot of youth there and the foundation of a Marinelli D.

 

[BigStar]

He played inside against the Jags. He was out injured shortly thereafter. All of his previous games were at DE.

I hear you, I was just saying more so from quick glances at his last name (after the fact).

 

[BlindFaith]

Finally! You're being honest about your butthurt. You don't like the guy. Ok. Well, tough tits. He is better than 50% of the guys competing for spots right now. Man up and deal with it.

And when a team carries 9 or 10 DL, the 9th and 10th player don't make the difference between elite and not elite. So even your justification for how these two players negatively impact the defense so strongly is illogical. Just stick with being honest about your feelings, and don't try to make it make logical sense. Because it doesn't.

Better than 50%? Who? What spots are you talking about? Lawrence, Hardy, Gregory, T Crawford. He's not even close to being better than any of them. Russell will make the team and has much higher upside. J Crawford is better than him inside. So is Coleman. So what spot is he competing to win? McClain? It's even questionable that Mincey is better than McClain.

Is he better than Edwards or Gardner. Right now, yes. Mincey will be a bit player that probably won't even be active for games come mid season.

 

[BigStar]

Coleman is doing what they wanted McClain to do last year - play both DT spots. Bishop is a tank and is built more like a 1-tech. I wish he could beat out Hayden for the job but I don't see it happening. J. Crawford is a pure backup 3-tech, similar to T. Crawford in that he was a SDE last year but thrived inside. It comes down to what do you want out of your backups? Reliable backups at one position or versatility. If versatility wins, I can see Coleman getting a spot.

Tbh I have to look for Crawford more going forward. Only thing I took from him last season was that he was British

 

[windjc]

Mincey will be a bit player that probably won't even be active for games come mid season.

Bookmarked!

 

[BlindFaith]

The only scope I see in your post is you making 5 or 6 assumptions to justify not playing Mincey. Here let me help you with those:
1. Coleman>Mincey. The same Coleman that was cut last year.
2. McClain>Mincey. McClain that can't play right now.
3. McClain being healthy.
4. Bishop>Mincey. Bishop that was cut last year.
5. Gregory impressing.
6. Crawfords both making team.
7.Crawfords>Mincey

Hey, brother, but keep living that dream!

So you don't agree with the list? Coleman is better inside than Mincey. McClain is better inside than Mincey, and we are talking about McClain being cut. Bishop and Mincey don't even play the same position. Same can really be said about McClain.

And yes, Crawfords are better than Mincey.

You're really starting to loose my interest with these inept comments. I thought you were going to bring more to the table.

 

[xwalker]

Bookmarked!

They made a movie about him. He was played by Alica Silverstone.

 

[BlindFaith]

Bookmarked!

Try book marking some of my other posts so I don't have to repeat myself to you.