We're going to have to cut a quality d-linemen

[windjc]

Try book marking some of my other posts so I don't have to repeat myself to you.

Yes, that awesome stat comparing Selvie in 2013 to Mincey in 2014. That's some strong stuff right there. Don't worry, you have nothing else worth book marking.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

So you don't agree with the list? Coleman is better inside than Mincey. McClain is better inside than Mincey, and we are talking about McClain being cut. Bishop and Mincey don't even play the same position. Same can really be said about McClain.

And yes, Crawfords are better than Mincey.

You're really starting to loose my interest with these inept comments. I thought you were going to bring more to the table.

Mincey is easily a top 4 DE. Obviously Hardy is better considering he may be the best in the business. And Lawrence and Gregory have much higher ceilings but neither of them have actually proven themselves on the field (unless you count Lawrence's breakout in the playoffs). It's good to have another veteran DE on the roster when you're relying on essentially two rookies while Hardy is out. And on top of that, Mincey has the ability to play inside. But we really don't know how he compares to other DTs since we've never seen him at DT. The bottom line, he's a veteran, he stays healthy, he provides versatility, and his teammates seem to like him. We should cut him.

 

[BlindFaith]

Mincey is easily a top 4 DE. Obviously Hardy is better considering he may be the best in the business. And Lawrence and Gregory have much higher ceilings but neither of them have actually proven themselves on the field (unless you count Lawrence's breakout in the playoffs). It's good to have another veteran DE on the roster when you're relying on essentially two rookies while Hardy is out. And on top of that, Mincey has the ability to play inside. But we really don't know how he compares to other DTs since we've never seen him at DT. The bottom line, he's a veteran, he stays healthy, he provides versatility, and his teammates seem to like him. We should cut him.

You always have to keep an eye on the future. Mincey is not the difference between us going to the playoffs or not. He will be a bit player for us. Is it more important having that bit player or another player that may not be ready to step in right now, but has more potential than said bit player?

Teammates may like him, but they don't ever mention him as really doing anything. T Crawford was interviewed on the FAN recently and mentioned several other D lineman that were impressing in camp. Didn't mention a peep about Mincey.

 

[Blackspider214]

Hayden is far from quality. There is nothing he does well at all.

 

[CATCH17]

Shocked at how well our DT's have looked so far.

Especially JAck Crawford and #92.

 

[LittleD]

Hayden is far from quality. There is nothing he does well at all.

He may be but, not according to Marinelli and that's who matters most. Hayden is a lock...Book it!

 

[Idgit]

These DL debates are always...interesting.

The guys we cut this season will be of the variety of player we should have been cutting for years. It is great to see some decent guys on the chopping block at important defensive positions, finally.

Mincey, of course, makes the team easily. You don't even have to look at the $500k they just gave him to get him to come to camp to see that. Next year will be the question for him, and then probably only if he wants some upfront money on a new deal.

It's not getting much coverage, but Coleman sure seems to have upped his game this camp. I think he looks good, and he'd make my team if he keeps it up. Jack Crawford's going to make it, too, as the team really likes him.

Whenever I read the Hayden hate, it makes me wonder how some of you guys think he not only makes the team, but has been our starter here for two years if he can't play. Obviously, the guy's a smart high-effort player that does what Marinelli wants from that 1-tech position. No amount of couch-scouting is going to change that. Yes, he's physically limited, but the guy's obviously doing something right.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

You always have to keep an eye on the future. Mincey is not the difference between us going to the playoffs or not. He will be a bit player for us. Is it more important having that bit player or another player that may not be ready to step in right now, but has more potential than said bit player?

Teammates may like him, but they don't ever mention him as really doing anything. T Crawford was interviewed on the FAN recently and mentioned several other D lineman that were impressing in camp. Didn't mention a peep about Mincey.

I agree he's not anything special and he's not what you'd call young. I just don't think there are any DEs whose progress he's stopping. Sure, if he takes snaps from Lawrence and Gregory that's a tragedy because those guys are our future. But I doubt those two won't get theirs this year. The only other young guys are really Russell and Gardner who are both mid to low round picks and are extremely raw. I'd rather have a vet like Mincey as our 4th DE than rely on those guys. We're already extremely young at DE with Hardy (26), Lawrence (23) and Gregory (22). There's nothing wrong with having some veteran depth.

 

[panchucko]

I noticed the other day in drills that if the player doing the drill didn't talk to MArinelli after the play they spoke to Hayden about their technique.

Even Hardy was going to him for advice.

Well there it is, Hayden needs to become a coach

 

[reddyuta]

i like what i saw from Bishop and Coleman,these guys are young and always improving.I would cut Mcclain and Gardner.

 

[burmafrd]

Well there it is, Hayden needs to become a coach

cut him and then make him as assistant DL coach. So we keep his valuable advice and get to acquire someone with more talent

 

[burmafrd]

blind faith's attitude towards Mincey reminds me of some of the Romo haters. Logic and facts have no effect at all.

Mincey is right now above average for our D line. Now hopefully in a couple of years he will be below average and gone. BUT at this time he is certainly needed. The one some here should be ticked off about still present is Hayden. I think we could find a week old stiff that would play as well as he has. Coaches always have a pet that they will keep after all logic says they should be gone and Rod Marinelli's is hayden.

 

[CrownCowboy]

He may be but, not according to Marinelli and that's who matters most. Hayden is a lock...Book it!

Oh he is definitely a lock. No question about it.

How on earth somebody as horrible as he is attains such a status is a cause for numerous questions though.

 

[Ken]

I'm not going to blast into Mincey. I'm sure everyone on this board knows how I feel about him. I just didn't see it from him. Stats back that up. But continue to sing his praise.

Being the best pass rusher on the worst pass rushing defense isn't a sign of being darn good. It means being better than guys who are no longer on the team. He is George Selvie. Selvie actually put up better numbers in his "breakout" year.

You are incorrect.

Best pass rusher on a horrible pass rushing team means more attention and harder to get sacks. I'm not saying he is a great player by any means but he is very high quality depth along the line.

And he is paid accordingly.

 

[Echo9]

Outside of T Crawford, Lawrence, Gregory and Hardy and possibly J Crawford - who is this quality that you speak of?

Russell has potential so he won't be going anywhere, but he's not exactly quality at this point.

Bishop and Coleman were both released last year, put on the practice squad and then signed back. No one was too interested in them last year. Have they improved to the point that they would now make another teams roster? I doubt it.

McClain is always hurt and basically a JAG even when healthy. Doubt very much any other team would be interested.

Edwards and Gardner are interesting. Edwards has been showing some potential. Gardner's best shot, as I said earlier this year, would be to try and bulk up and play 3T.

Hayden and Mincey are JAGS. I'd doubt that either would be signed by anybody if cut. I'd actually keep Edwards over Mincey. Mincey will not be back next year. Edwards has more upside. Heck, I'd probably keep Gardner over Mincey.

I'd be keeping an eye out for a 1T that gets cut from ANOTHER team before I'd be worried about loosing our DT "talent" that might get cut.

You had me until "loosing"

 

[BlindFaith]

You had me until "loosing"

Great. So you agreed with 99% of the post. Glad you're on board. And I'll be sure to shore up my spelling.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The moment you accept Hayden will make the roster the happier you'll be.

I refuse to give up hope.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Whenever I read the Hayden hate, it makes me wonder how some of you guys think he not only makes the team, but has been our starter here for two years if he can't play. Obviously, the guy's a smart high-effort player that does what Marinelli wants from that 1-tech position. No amount of couch-scouting is going to change that. Yes, he's physically limited, but the guy's obviously doing something right.

I don't hate him but if you look at the roster the past two years it makes a whole lot of sense. Two years ago we had Hatcher and Ratliff and Hayden was a street free agent they picked up for depth. Trading Lissemore was not good. The only other tackle of note was the guy they ended up trading to NE. That was the year they ended up bringing in Everett Brown, Jarius Wynn, and the scrubs at various points because of all the injuries. That was Hayden's competition.

Last year, they brought in McClain in FA who has been hurt ever since and Coleman and Bishop. They also brought in Whaley and Okoye. With McClain injured and two rookies Hayden makes the team by default.

This year you have the two young players both upping their game. I don't hate Hayden though. He maxes out and is a leader but I want better defense at the poa and more push up front than what he provides. You've watched it. You've seen the LOL look at Hayden getting ragdolled on a combo block. You likely noticed the string of single blocks he failed to beat. You've watched teams slide protection away from him to the edges. Pointing that out is not hate.

When I see Coleman and Bishop winning against Chargers double teams, it makes me smile. Last year against the Chargers at this same time, Coleman and Bishop got their butts kicked. They played most of the game a week ago and finished strong this time around. I think if the two of them continue to play well in practices and games that it will take care of itself. I'm not going to be distracted by Marinelli and his Golden Cock motivational tactics.

McClain and Hayden aren't even practicing.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I'm not going to blast into Mincey. I'm sure everyone on this board knows how I feel about him. I just didn't see it from him. Stats back that up. But continue to sing his praise.

Being the best pass rusher on the worst pass rushing defense isn't a sign of being darn good. It means being better than guys who are no longer on the team. He is George Selvie. Selvie actually put up better numbers in his "breakout" year.

What stats are you talking about that back up your stance?

Mincey was top 20 last year in pressures and had as many as guys like Cameron Wake and Tamba Hali.

It seems that for some reason you want Mincey to be a JAG and have put Blind Faith behind that thought.

 

[Idgit]

I don't hate him but if you look at the roster the past two years it makes a whole lot of sense. Two years ago we had Hatcher and Ratliff and Hayden was a street free agent they picked up for depth. Trading Lissemore was not good. The only other tackle of note was the guy they ended up trading to NE. That was the year they ended up bringing in Everett Brown, Jarius Wynn, and the scrubs at various points because of all the injuries. That was Hayden's competition.

Last year, they brought in McClain in FA who has been hurt ever since and Coleman and Bishop. They also brought in Whaley and Okoye. With McClain injured and two rookies Hayden makes the team by default.

This year you have the two young players both upping their game. I don't hate Hayden though. He maxes out and is a leader but I want better defense at the poa and more push up front than what he provides. You've watched it. You've seen the LOL look at Hayden getting ragdolled on a combo block. You likely noticed the string of single blocks he failed to beat. You've watched teams slide protection away from him to the edges. Pointing that out is not hate.

When I see Coleman and Bishop winning against Chargers double teams, it makes me smile. Last year against the Chargers at this same time, Coleman and Bishop got their butts kicked. They played most of the game a week ago and finished strong this time around. I think if the two of them continue to play well in practices and games that it will take care of itself. I'm not going to be distracted by Marinelli and his Golden Cock motivational tactics.

McClain and Hayden aren't even practicing.

No, what you're doing is just fair criticism. Hayden deserves his share of that. He's a limited player. But he's made the team the last few years for a reason. If we're able to upgrade his position, great. I think it's most likely that McClain doesn't make it and that either Coleman or Bishop end up with that spot. And Coleman would be my pick based on their work to-date.