What Are The Chances That Extension Talks With Dak Go Bad?

[dckid]

He's going to do what is in his own personal best interest, as any of us would.

There may be a slight difference between what some posters here think he is worth and what he and his agent think. He bet on himself on the tag once already.

He has a 160M no tag, no trade contract. His agent probably knows what Daniel Jones is going for and since Prescott signed that last deal, he's been steadily sliding down the rankings of what QB's are paid and that's the only score that really matters.

Is there discussions already of an extension? I think it makes sense to just play this out. Why would he need to be extended?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

This is a pretty standard restructure and extension.

Fans need to learn to recognize contract structure. This is just how stuff goes.

It is nothing. "Hey Dak, can we extend you two year and pay you in advance for the last two year of your current deal?" sort of a no-brainer, bro

"No brainer" money and cap wise, yes, but the more years you add to Dak's contract the more failure you are guaranteeing.

That's why I'm hoping things someone go bad, they take it on the chin, don't extend him, draft a QB, and move on when possible.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

He's going to do what is in his own personal best interest, as any of us would.

There may be a slight difference between what some posters here think he is worth and what he and his agent think. He bet on himself on the tag once already.

He has a 160M no tag, no trade contract. His agent probably knows what Daniel Jones is going for and since Prescott signed that last deal, he's been steadily sliding down the rankings of what QB's are paid and that's the only score that really matters.

I wish the whole "bet on himself" thing actually mattered.

The year he bet on himself the team was 1-3 with him, he was leading the NFL in combined INTs and fumbles, broke his leg and missed the rest of the season, the team went on to win games at a higher pace with Andy Dalton then they were doing with Dak, and he still got this stupid contract in the end.

He bet on himself and failed miserably. He just so happens to have a fool as his boss.

 

[Diehardblues]

"No brainer" money and cap wise, yes, but the more years you add to Dak's contract the more failure you are guaranteeing.

That's why I'm hoping things someone go bad, they take it on the chin, don't extend him, draft a QB, and move on when possible.

Perhaps some fans measure failure differently than our ownership ?

Apparently it’s a SB or Bust mentality .

I’d argue Jethro sees the Dak era as a success. This is his third 13 win season with Prescott as his starting QB. A consistent playoff contender.

He’s popular with the fans , one of the top jerseys sold and now NFL man of the year. Much for this snake oil salesman to hype and promote .

But yet some fans expect him to scrap this security blanket for the unknown .

 

[dckid]

No extension. No restructure. They need to start ticking away at his cap hit not making it worse by restructuring him or even worse extending him.

The only way you save cap space is by not paying out salary. The cap is not a one year thing. Because of rollovers of cap savings and the way contracts are structured it’s an ongoing multi-year thing that needs to be looked at as such. Why people have this narrow view that restructuring him helps the cap just because it lowers his 2023 cap hit is nuts. You hurt the cap if that restructure causes you to keep a guy longer than you otherwise would have wanted to - see Zeke for example. And you hurt the cap by paying out non guaranteed salary. Restructures in and of themselves are cap neutral but when it causes you to keep paying a player those non guaranteed $’s because of the dead cap space it creates that cripples your cap it is a negative. You can restructure other guys. You don’t restructure a guy that you may not want in 3 years. If we decide this time next year that Dak is our guy you can extend him then (and I hope this happens and am not saying it won’t) but until we know that We need to keep our options open.

I’ve said it before. Cutting Zeke and designating him post 6/1 saves you $10.9M. Doing the same with aTyron saves $13.6M. Restructuring $12M of Martins contract and spreading it over the 4 years he already has cap hits in saves you $9M. There is zero need to touch Dak’s contract.

100% agree. No need to extend or change Dak's contract. He got his 4 year deal and lets see what happens.

 

[khiladi]

Wanna hear something interesting........one tweeter implied THIS, the same thing you are suggesting, is Daks and the Cowboy's real problem. He suggested Dak, Jerry and Stephen got too caught up with Dak value to the team off the field....as in face of the team, persona, corp sponsor, being QB of the Dallas Cowboys RATHER than working on his craft/game like a Jalen Hurts did.

To be honest, reading that, gave me a bit of a different perspective coz something I think we all can agree on.........his performance during the 49er's playoff loss has left a scar on fans, media and some would argue, Jerry and coaches also.

This is simply not true. Jerry made Dak play in meaningless games, that had zero play-off repurcussions, to improve, while sitting guys like prime Ezekiel Elliott before the play-offs. Every off-season Dak was working with private coaches on mechanics and much hue and cry was made about it in the off-season. Just Google 2017 or 2018, Dak works on mechanics or Jerry says Dak’s struggles will make him better and you’ll find a bunch of articles. I mean Dak-fans always re-writing narratives, when just a year plus ago they were celebrating the fact he built a field in his backyard and was throwing the ball to his WRs in the summer and they were boasting that “unlike Romo”, he takes the job seriously.

People need to just admit Dak had a ceiling which he reached a long time ago and he is what he is. His flaws are his flaws.

 

[jgboys1]

A 10 year restructure! Good grief. I thought we were nearly out of this nightmare.

Watching Dak under center for 2 more years will be panful enough. I don't think I could stomach anymore than that.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Watching Dak under center for 2 more years will be panful enough. I don't think I could stomach anymore than that.

If they extend Dak to 10 years I hope they have to hire new people to clean the trash off the field from the fans during every home game.

I know people will always pay money and show up, but at least show your displeasure in the product.

 

[Vtwin]

Dak has a real opportunity to send a big message to his teammates and fans, and to exhibit some of this great "leadership" we keep hearing about, by working with the team on a reasonable restructure/extension which allows a little more pie sharing.

What's it going to be Dak? Are you a team guy, or a me guy?

 

[USArmyVet]

Dak has a real opportunity to send a big message to his teammates and fans, and to exhibit some of this great "leadership" we keep hearing about, by working with the team on a reasonable restructure/extension which allows a little more pie sharing.

What's it going to be Dak? Are you a team guy, or a me guy?

The same Dak who, thru his agent, turned down a 5-year $175M deal before Dallas had to franchise tag him then refused a 5th year in his latest deal so that he could force a restructure with more money or take advantage of a new deal sooner?

Dak is not Tom Brady who took less to better the team. Dak is all about Dak which means money, not winning a Super Bowl.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

This is simply not true. Jerry made Dak play in meaningless games, that had zero play-off repurcussions, to improve, while sitting guys like prime Ezekiel Elliott before the play-offs. Every off-season Dak was working with private coaches on mechanics and much hue and cry was made about it in the off-season. Just Google 2017 or 2018, Dak works on mechanics or Jerry says Dak’s struggles will make him better and you’ll find a bunch of articles. I mean Dak-fans always re-writing narratives, when just a year plus ago they were celebrating the fact he built a field in his backyard and was throwing the ball to his WRs in the summer and they were boasting that “unlike Romo”, he takes the job seriously.

People need to just admit Dak had a ceiling which he reached a long time ago and he is what he is. His flaws are his flaws.

IDK, K.......I will admit I'm starting to agree with the last statement regarding his ceiling. Where we disagree is his ceiling level. You see him as below average to the bottom. He has clearly proven he can give you a winning season and post-season berth but the problem, as we have heard Jimmy Johnson and a few others say, it's not much left after that, he needs help.

My issue for the first time, I'm feeling that killer drive and motivation. In fact, there were times during the 49er playoff game, I question whether or not his heart was in the game, considering what was at stake. Just couldn't get a feel for him........

 

[Diehardblues]

The same Dak who, thru his agent, turned down a 5-year $175M deal before Dallas had to franchise tag him then refused a 5th year in his latest deal so that he could force a restructure with more money or take advantage of a new deal sooner?

Dak is not Tom Brady who took less to better the team. Dak is all about Dak which means money, not winning a Super Bowl.

First of all Brady took less cause Belichick wasn’t going to pay more and he wanted to stay on the Pats. And ultimately Tom left is he wanted more money than Bill was willing to pay. There are no other examples as such where Star QB are willing to take less.

And Jethro had an opportunity to pay Dak when Wilson was highest paid QB ( 35 million a year)in the mid to low 30’s a season. But Jethro playing to public perception was wanting Prescott and the team to have more success to warrant paying him top market price .

Which led to eventually having to Franchise Tag him and then the Mahomes deal came which pushed Market Price higher.

So, we had the opportunity and even after Tagging him had time to move in another direction be it thru FA or the draft if we felt were being held ransom by Prescott.

No, I’m afraid Prescott has basically done what most Franchise QB’s do in negotiations. And it was our owner who has bundled the situation. And as a result has attempted to manipulate the situation by hyping Prescott as an Elite QB to justify mismanaging and caving in. Even meddling with the offense and OC to implement a more pass happy offense to bulk up passing stats, etc.

 

[USArmyVet]

First of all Brady took less cause Belichick wasn’t going to pay more and he wanted to stay on the Pats. And ultimately Tom left is he wanted more money than Bill was willing to pay. There are no other examples as such where Star QB are willing to take less.

And Jethro had an opportunity to pay Dak when Wilson was highest paid QB ( 35 million a year)in the mid to low 30’s a season. But Jethro playing to public perception was wanting Prescott and the team to have more success to warrant paying him top market price .

Which led to eventually having to Franchise Tag him and then the Mahomes deal came which pushed Market Price higher.

So, we had the opportunity and even after Tagging him had time to move in another direction be it thru FA or the draft if we felt were being held ransom by Prescott.

No, I’m afraid Prescott has basically done what most Franchise QB’s do in negotiations. And it was our owner who has bundled the situation. And as a result has attempted to manipulate the situation by hyping Prescott as an Elite QB to justify mismanaging and caving in. Even meddling with the offense and OC to implement a more pass happy offense to bulk up passing stats, etc.

The 5-year, 175M offer Dallas presented to Dak was done early in 2020 (Dak rejected it and was said to be requesting a 4-year deal with a $45M AAV).....prior to that in early 2019 Dallas offered a deal that would have a $33M AAV (close to then highest-paid QB Wilson's $35M) but rejected after Dak started 3-0 with 9 TD's and 2 INT's......so Dak and his agent turned down the offers in hopes of getting more.....more than the $35M/AAV that Jerry had offered......so the fact you want to blame Jerry instead of Dak is interesting as clearly it was about Dak wanting as much money as possible putting himself above the team.

As for Brady, according to you he remained in New England for 20 years because Belichick wouldn't pay him what he wanted which, after 20 years, is why he finally left? In going to TB he signed a 2-year $50M deal and later signed an additional 1-year $25M deal so the team could structure the money in such a way as to build a better team around him.....something Brady has always done.

 

[Diehardblues]

The 5-year, 175M offer Dallas presented to Dak was done early in 2020 (Dak rejected it and was said to be requesting a 4-year deal with a $45M AAV).....prior to that in early 2019 Dallas offered a deal that would have a $33M AAV (close to then highest-paid QB Wilson's $35M) but rejected after Dak started 3-0 with 9 TD's and 2 INT's......so Dak and his agent turned down the offers in hopes of getting more.....more than the $35M/AAV that Jerry had offered......so the fact you want to blame Jerry instead of Dak is interesting as clearly it was about Dak wanting as much money as possible putting himself above the team.

As for Brady, according to you he remained in New England for 20 years because Belichick wouldn't pay him what he wanted which, after 20 years, is why he finally left? In going to TB he signed a 2-year $50M deal and later signed an additional 1-year $25M deal so the team could structure the money in such a way as to build a better team around him.....something Brady has always done.

Has any other franchise QB done that ?

Was anyone holding a gun to Jethro’s head? If he thought it was over paying Prescott why did he agree?

 

[Rayman70]

much is baked in to the deal Dak signed. We can flip a switch and restructure if he refuses 2 extend. That free's cash up NOW.

 

[acr731]

Perhaps some fans measure failure differently than our ownership ?

Apparently it’s a SB or Bust mentality .

I’d argue Jethro sees the Dak era as a success. This is his third 13 win season with Prescott as his starting QB. A consistent playoff contender.

He’s popular with the fans , one of the top jerseys sold and now NFL man of the year. Much for this snake oil salesman to hype and promote .

But yet some fans expect him to scrap this security blanket for the unknown .

Why shouldn't it be? If this franchise/team has no passion or desire to compete for Lombardi's, then why the F are they playing the game? I don't have time for loser mentalities, and that is all that Jerry and a few of his players (like Dak) have. How many flippin' times have we heard Dak say he will do/get better and then go out and crap his pants?

As for Brady, according to you he remained in New England for 20 years because Belichick wouldn't pay him what he wanted which, after 20 years, is why he finally left? In going to TB he signed a 2-year $50M deal and later signed an additional 1-year $25M deal so the team could structure the money in such a way as to build a better team around him.....something Brady has always done.

Don't hold your breath waiting for Dak or Zeke to do the same. They're individuals who are only doing this for their own personal interests.

 

[USArmyVet]

Has any other franchise QB done that ?

Was anyone holding a gun to Jethro’s head? If he thought it was over paying Prescott why did he agree?

Thank you for confirming my post accurately in spite of the earlier one contradicting mine.

No, Jerry didn't have to pay him but Jerry is about remaining relevant so in his mind better to pay the devil you know than the one you don't.

 

[USArmyVet]

Why shouldn't it be? If this franchise/team has no passion or desire to compete for Lombardi's, then why the F are they playing the game? I don't have time for loser mentalities, and that is all that Jerry and a few of his players (like Dak) have.


Don't hold your breath waiting for Dak or Zeke to do the same. They're individuals who are only doing this for their own personal interests.

As is the case for most players that Jerry signs in Dallas (see DLaw holding off surgery until he got his new deal).

Loser owner surrounded by loser players.

 

[Diehardblues]

Thank you for confirming my post accurately in spite of the earlier one contradicting mine.

No, Jerry didn't have to pay him but Jerry is about remaining relevant so in his mind better to pay the devil you know than the one you don't.

I didn’t recall the exacta details going off of memory. Your recollection was amazing of the details unless you copied that. I didn’t recall Jethro actually officially making those earlier offers . I thought the hold up was Dak wanted a smaller deal only 4 years where Jethro wanted 5 or 6 years but again just going off memory.

Regardless , most felt it was Market Price and was over paying . It is what it is. In the end that’s on our owner for caving in and or not getting an earlier deal done .

 

[MyFairLady]

I think we should try to set a record for amount of contract money that we push out into years that are beyond the actual life of the contract. So far we are around 26 million. For competent GMs that is 4 quality starters. For a true boss like Jerry that is chump change.