What Are The Chances That Extension Talks With Dak Go Bad?

[75boyz]

I’ve always said, Dak to me is the ideal backup, maybe best in the league, that can keep your team afloat if your QB ON A GOOD TEAM is out for a few games here and there because of injury.

Other than that, to me he’s just another average QB, who lucked into an ideal situation that the majority of QBs of his caliber don’t and because of it, have short careers.

At this point, he is what he is. The ability to PROCESS the field quickly is not something you learn. This is one of Dak’s biggest weaknesses which is why he’s often late with the ball, which also allows for secondary defenders to position themselves for easy picks.

That darn decision making element in real time of a quarterback's skillset...

It's a pretty big deal.

The masses here that continue to not understand this is pure comedy.

 

[khiladi]

That darn decision making element in real time of a quarterback's skillset...

It's a pretty big deal.

The masses here that continue to not understand this is pure comedy.

It also explains to a large degree his robotic style of play and why, I personally believe, the coaching staff tried to bypass it and programmer him to be “aggressive” and “throw the ball”.

How much can an OC of he’s stuck to design plays to get the ball out early and the OC had little faith in the QBs ability to go through his progressions in a reasonable amount of time.

It’s no knock on Dak, this is one of the biggest criteria that separate elite from average. It’s not just “physical tools”.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Real fans were "fed up" when Dave Campo was the HC and the QBs options were Quincy Carter or Chad Hutchinson.

Any claims that fan frustration has peaked after back to back 12-5 seasons is silly.

Or Don Meredith, Roger Staubach, Danny White, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo
But let's keep inepto needs to be carried Dak, I mean why bother looking to improve on the most important position on the field???

 

[75boyz]

It also explains to a large degree his robotic style of play and why, I personally believe, the coaching staff tried to bypass it and programmer him to be “aggressive” and “throw the ball”.

How much can an OC of he’s stuck to design plays to get the ball out early and the OC had little faith in the QBs ability to go through his progressions in a reasonable amount of time.

It’s no knock on Dak, this is one of the biggest criteria that separate elite from average. It’s not just “physical tools”.

Exactly
It is so easy to see. It's like how many replays of errant decisions in real time need to be shown?
One read, half field processor.

He ain't gettin' no better by forcing the issue in the name of being aggressive.

You nailed it man. He just doesn't process fast enough in real time, plain and simple.

 

[xwalker]

Or Don Meredith, Roger Staubach, Danny White, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo
But let's keep inepto needs to be carried Dak, I mean why bother looking to improve on the most important position on the field???

Dak haters couldn't spell 'cat' if we spotted you the c and the a.

 

[baltcowboy]

We all know that Jerry and Co will attempt to double down on their mistake and try and extend Dak to help the cap hit.

What are the chances that Dak's agent and or Dak have a higher asking price than our FO believes he is worth? Is there a chance that they just take it on the chin and ride the current deal out and move on if that's the case?

I'm not on the up and up when it comes to extensions, but is it set in stone that once talk starts Dak will be extended or could things go bad?

Good chance of not getting an extension done. These young quarterbacks are asking for 50 million a season and their teams have not made the playoffs. Dak is not taking a discount with Daniel Jones asking for 45 million. Why do you think we are hearing rumors about the Cowboys drafting a quarterback early.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Good chance of not getting an extension done. These young quarterbacks are asking for 50 million a season and their teams have not made the playoffs. Dak is not taking a discount with Daniel Jones asking for 45 million. Why do you think we are hearing rumors about the Cowboys drafting a quarterback early.

Hopefully we're hearing those rumors because they are going to do it.

 

[baltcowboy]

The Jones already botched the chance to have Dak closer to 30 mil but they botched it.

They can restructure to help the cap but I have zero faith they could work out an actual extension that is a good deal.

Dak was never taking 30 million. That is why he hired a new agent. Dak was never going to take less then Goff and Wentz. Dak and his agent believed he was the better quarterback. The Cowboys could have gotten him for 38 million but then Mahomes got his extension.

 

[CouchCoach]

The agents are not playing rank the QB's to get their money. They're playing what are this team's other options and how strong or dug in is the negotiator?

This is why it is so important to keep drafting those young QB's and not paint yourself into a corner. Of course, it doesn't help when the Joneses spent so much time patting themselves on the back for drafting Prescott. And that's what all of that bragging on players is, self-aggrandizing in Prescott's situation.

"You must be wonderful because you belong to me"....Booger Jones.

 

[USArmyVet]

That's the way I remember it. The 2019 offer was in the neighborhood of 5/32/80. He "bet on himself". The 2020 offer was around 5/35 and I forget the guaranteed amount.

Dak rejected it because he wanted the shorter deal even though it was unprecedented to give a 4 year deal with no remaining years on the existing contract to work with for cap purposes.

We can't blame Jerry for not signing him earlier and cheaper. We can blame Jerry for signing him period, and will likely be able to blame Jerry for extending him.

5-years $175M with $110M guaranteed with a $35M AAV

So while a year later (after playing under the $31.4M franchise tag) Dak signed a 4-year $160M deal with $126M guaranteed and a $40M AAV, ultimately that new deal now handcuffs the team as they have to either restructure Dak's deal (which means Dak gets more signing bonus/guaranteed money) or stick with it and therefore are unable to bring in better players.

My view of Dak is not a secret so if it were me I would not restructure Dak and instead, say to anyone who will listen "We paid Dak elite QB money so it's time for him to elevate the team just like Patrick Mahomes has done." Put Dak's feet to the fire and make 2023 a show-me year and if Dak shows up then reward him but if he doesn't, time to move on.

Sadly though, and with Dak knowing QB's like Burrows, Jackson, Herbert, and Lawrence upcoming and about to reset the QB contract market, Jerry & his idiot son will resign Dak to a new 4-year deal (restructuring, while dropping his 2023 cap hit, creates a massive amount of dead money for 2025) at a market cost of $180M with $150M guaranteed and a $45M AAV (a deal that exceeds that of Stafford deal of 4 years $160M with $130M guaranteed).

 

[USArmyVet]

Dak haters couldn't spell 'cat' if we spotted you the c and the a.

Perhaps not but we can spell sh-t which is another way to spell Dak.

 

[Motorola]

We all know that Jerry and Co will attempt to double down on their mistake and try and extend Dak to help the cap hit.

What are the chances that Dak's agent and or Dak have a higher asking price than our FO believes he is worth? Is there a chance that they just take it on the chin and ride the current deal out and move on if that's the case?

I'm not on the up and up when it comes to extensions, but is it set in stone that once talk starts Dak will be extended or could things go bad?

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We all know that Jerry and Co will attempt to double down on their mistake and try and extend Dak to help the cap hit.

What are the chances that Dak's agent and or Dak have a higher asking price than our FO believes he is worth? Is there a chance that they just take it on the chin and ride the current deal out and move on if that's the case?

I'm not on the up and up when it comes to extensions, but is it set in stone that once talk starts Dak will be extended or could things go bad?

To answeChances that extension talks go bad

We all know that Jerry and Co will attempt to double down on their mistake and try and extend Dak to help the cap hit.

What are the chances that Dak's agent and or Dak have a higher asking price than our FO believes he is worth? Is there a chance that they just take it on the chin and ride the current deal out and move on if that's the case?

I'm not on the up and up when it comes to extensions, but is it set in stone that once talk starts Dak will be extended or could things go bad?

TO: MountaineerCowboy
RE: Your thread title\question
The answer is - - - - -
1) NO CHANCE AT ALL
2) ZERO
3) GOOSE EGG
4) DIDDLY SQUAT
5) NADA
6) ZIP
7) GHOST OF A CHANCE
8) NIL
9) SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HE[ 2 HOCKEY STICKS]
10) NOT A PRAYER
11) SLIM TO NONE...AND SLIM JUST LEFT TOWN

 

[Retro88]

All these threads is why this organization doesn't deserve a Pat Mahommes and honestly deserves Zach Wilson.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

All these threads is why this organization doesn't deserve a Pat Mahommes and honestly deserves Zach Wilson.

Well, we're getting exactly what we deserve then.

 

[calicowboy54]

IF it was me and i was the GM & it comes to that, then you spend the 26th pick on a QB and ride with Dak for another year or 2 and grom the new QB. New QB (I think Jerry is infatuated with Hooker from the meetings at the Senior bowl) starts in year 3 and we have 2 more years to see how it goes.

 

[Jipper]

Real fans were "fed up" when Dave Campo was the HC and the QBs options were Quincy Carter or Chad Hutchinson.

Any claims that fan frustration has peaked after back to back 12-5 seasons is silly.

I hate to tell you but we have a huge variety of fans in terms of ages on here...many that were in diapers or grade school in the mentioned example. To say that only "real fans" would have been fed up at that timing is limiting the classification to a certain age group. The reality is that many fans, of a variety of ages, are totally fed up and the continual cycle of win early in the season, fall apart late season, get bounced early in the playoffs.

The fact that they were 12-5 two years in a row doesn't take the nasty sting / taste away that so many are used to over and over and over again for decades. I understand what you are saying about 12-5 for back to years is good and i do not disagree that its a big step in the right direction, along with a road playoff win for the first time in 30 years and the first back to back playoff appearence in 17. However, this fan base has suffered for a long time and I am perfectly fine with fans saying their frustration has peaked becuase they are tired of just having regular season success and no playoff success.

The challenge has become, if you know that you are going to never have playoff success and only have regular season success, then it becomes a situation where the regular season games become less fun since you are already assured of the outcome - this is how so many of the frustrated fans (who have peaked) feel and it is totally understandable.

 

[zeke21]

I hate to tell you but we have a huge variety of fans in terms of ages on here...many that were in diapers or grade school in the mentioned example. To say that only "real fans" would have been fed up at that timing is limiting the classification to a certain age group. The reality is that many fans, of a variety of ages, are totally fed up and the continual cycle of win early in the season, fall apart late season, get bounced early in the playoffs.

The fact that they were 12-5 two years in a row doesn't take the nasty sting / taste away that so many are used to over and over and over again for decades. I understand what you are saying about 12-5 for back to years is good and i do not disagree that its a big step in the right direction, along with a road playoff win for the first time in 30 years and the first back to back playoff appearence in 17. However, this fan base has suffered for a long time and I am perfectly fine with fans saying their frustration has peaked becuase they are tired of just having regular season success and no playoff success.

The challenge has become, if you know that you are going to never have playoff success and only have regular season success, then it becomes a situation where the regular season games become less fun since you are already assured of the outcome - this is how so many of the frustrated fans (who have peaked) feel and it is totally understandable.

I think the very definition of success has changed. The importance of regular season wins has diminished in my opinion. There is now so much sport.. so many games etc etc.. that each individual win has less and less merit. The league is defined by championships, by winning when it matters.

We could go 12-5 for the next 8 seasons.. and if we get bounced in the first week/2nd week each of those 8 years.. then it will be another 8 years without success.

So I can agree that we 'broke' a lot of ground this year with winning on the road, back to back playoffs etc.. but ultimately we lost and lost badly yet again to SF. It highlighted the gulf that still exists between us and the top teams.

The Alex Smith comparisons are perfect imho.. Smith was replaced after leading a winning season.. because the chiefs recognised he wasn't going to take the next step. I think Smith could have led them to many more 'winning seasons' but probably not further. We are seeing the same with Dak. Dak will win a lot of games with this offence and this defence. But when the heat is applied and the pressure is on.. he has now failed consistently.

The sting this season is they way we failed against SF. We watched a rookie QB beat us. We watched Dak turn the ball over in situations that were non-negotiable "play safe" situations. I think it has shaken some people who were Dak fans.. it showed a lack of growth, a lack of maturity, a lack of talent and was almost an 'unforgiveable' type game for some. I think that explains the level of angst with Dak being ramped up even more this year.

There is nowhere for Dak to hide after that SF game.. it wasn't the receivers.. it wasn't the defence.. it wasn't a lack of weapons.. it wasn't the coaching.. it was 100% on Dak that we lost that game. Also I think for a lot of fans we are now feeling like if we can't win with this squad.. then when? If we can't win with Dak, pollard, CeeDee, Zeke, Smith, Smith, Lawrence, Parsons, Diggs, LVE etc etc etc.. then when can we win? It is a scary question.

 

[75boyz]

I think the very definition of success has changed. The importance of regular season wins has diminished in my opinion. There is now so much sport.. so many games etc etc.. that each individual win has less and less merit. The league is defined by championships, by winning when it matters.

We could go 12-5 for the next 8 seasons.. and if we get bounced in the first week/2nd week each of those 8 years.. then it will be another 8 years without success.

So I can agree that we 'broke' a lot of ground this year with winning on the road, back to back playoffs etc.. but ultimately we lost and lost badly yet again to SF. It highlighted the gulf that still exists between us and the top teams.

The Alex Smith comparisons are perfect imho.. Smith was replaced after leading a winning season.. because the chiefs recognised he wasn't going to take the next step. I think Smith could have led them to many more 'winning seasons' but probably not further. We are seeing the same with Dak. Dak will win a lot of games with this offence and this defence. But when the heat is applied and the pressure is on.. he has now failed consistently.

The sting this season is they way we failed against SF. We watched a rookie QB beat us. We watched Dak turn the ball over in situations that were non-negotiable "play safe" situations. I think it has shaken some people who were Dak fans.. it showed a lack of growth, a lack of maturity, a lack of talent and was almost an 'unforgiveable' type game for some. I think that explains the level of angst with Dak being ramped up even more this year.

There is nowhere for Dak to hide after that SF game.. it wasn't the receivers.. it wasn't the defence.. it wasn't a lack of weapons.. it wasn't the coaching.. it was 100% on Dak that we lost that game. Also I think for a lot of fans we are now feeling like if we can't win with this squad.. then when? If we can't win with Dak, pollard, CeeDee, Zeke, Smith, Smith, Lawrence, Parsons, Diggs, LVE etc etc etc.. then when can we win? It is a scary question.

Reads like a true gravestone epitaph to the 2022 season.
Great job man.

 

[McKDaddy]

Only the morons in the fan base are "fed up" with back to back 12-5 seasons.

Only a moron would act like they don't know the player who has exhausted the fans with his inability to do anything more than put up regular season numbers.

If you are happy with no shot at winning anything meaningful, Jerry has a product for you.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Fans are starting to realize Dak is going nowhere. It’s hilarious.