What Chicago's farce of a win means.

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Chicago's offense was all about the deep pass. take that away and they will struggle just like other teams struggle against their defense.

The bears remain undefeated, but when they face a good offense with an above average defense they wont be able to compete
 

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Edgerrin James rushes 36 times for 55 yards and a 1.5 yard average!!!!!

I read elsewhere, I believe in the Peter King Thread, that this was the worst single game rushing performance in the history of the NFL. I'm not sure what the criteria is. It must assume a minimum number of carries.
 

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Chicago showed their weaknesses, mainly in that if you take away the deep ball to Berrian, their offense is extremely limited. Grossman has played like that pretty much all season, the difference is that the Cardinals defenders actually held on to the INT's instead of dropping all of them.

On defense, I think you need to do what the Cardinals did. Spread them out, get them in the nickel defense, and operate intermitently out of the shotgun.

I think Dallas has the talent to play with Chicago, but given Bledsoe's unwillingness to operate out of the shotgun, I think he'd wind up turning the ball over too much against their defense.


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JustSayNotoTO;1096382 said:
A win is a win. They are 6-0 and their schedule is largely a cake walk for the rest of the season. Good teams find ways to win games like this.


That is pretty much the size of it.

Bad teams find ways to lose them too... kickers, conservative play etc...
 

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If you told me right now that we would meet Chicago in the NFC championship, even if it's at Chicago, I would take that. They are a good team, but they are beatable. The Vikings and Cardinals played them close.

Our defense would match up pretty well with them I think. It would come down to our line, running the ball and protecting the QB.
 

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Yakuza Rich;1096787 said:
Chicago showed their weaknesses, mainly in that if you take away the deep ball to Berrian, their offense is extremely limited. Grossman has played like that pretty much all season, the difference is that the Cardinals defenders actually held on to the INT's instead of dropping all of them.

On defense, I think you need to do what the Cardinals did. Spread them out, get them in the nickel defense, and operate intermitently out of the shotgun.

I think Dallas has the talent to play with Chicago, but given Bledsoe's unwillingness to operate out of the shotgun, I think he'd wind up turning the ball over too much against their defense.


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This is pretty much my point. We see the Bears flaws and that they aren't invincible. But people only see that they barely beat a bad team. They give no credit to the Bears defense, which actually played well, just not better than Leinart and Boldin. The AZ offense didn't 'accidentally' score on them - they were really that good, in the face of pressure.

Offensively, everyone knew they were limited prior to the beginning of the season. Now we see that - take away the deep and Grossman becomes Bledsoe - he won't check down or get rid of the ball, and it makes his line look bad. When he does check down he makes goof ball throws, throwing INTs.

But I say that the Cowboys lose, and all anyone sees is that a bears team barely beat the Cardinals, and we are better than the Cards, so therefore, we MUST win? RIght?


WRONG - it's all about matchups. If the Bears defense comes at us like they did against Leinart, Bledsoe has already shown that he can't make the throw Leinart did. The only sack Leinart took was the one where ross let his guy go - he got there in about 2.5 seconds. Any time you give Leinart, at 3 seconds, he had the ball out. Pressure and all. So the passing game is shut down on the bears.

Offensively, we can most likely stop the bears by pressuring Grossman. The thing is, we have shown that we do have a penchant for letting the big play get away, as in the Eagles game. If we get that squared away, we have a chance to make Grossman hurt us. But we also have to note that they had to abandon a pretty solid run game early - can we stop Thomas Jones? I tell you now - the Bears OL is better than AZ's and is pretty darn good - their QB made them look bad while holding the ball too long.

Now, what we have going for us is a strong run game and defense. If we can run the ball on them, and do so early, and then take away their offensive bread and butter, we stand a chance. But not unless we can do that. Because I tell you right now - we CANNOT pass on this team with Bledsoe at QB.
 

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windward;1096374 said:
Simply, they are not the heads and shoulders above the rest of the conference as much as ESPN will spin it.

They are beatable. any team that has a pulse wins the game tonight.

a healthy Seattle team can beat them.

So can:
Dallas
Philly
NYFG
CAR


The lesson learned today boys and girls is that this conference is still wide open and the Boys have as good a shot as anybody.

What their win means to me is that they are a pretty good football team, that managed to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat.

Good teams seem to somehow win those type of games and they did it with their defense.

They have the type of defense where no lead is ever safe.

I wouldnt call that a farce but a statement game.

- Mike G.
 

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mickgreen58;1096814 said:
What their win means to me is that they are a pretty good football team, that managed to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat.

Good teams seem to somehow win those type of games and they did it with their defense.

They have the type of defense where no lead is ever safe.

I wouldnt call that a farce but a statement game.

- Mike G.


See, I saw the game - that defense played well all game, just not good enough to stop Leinart. The defense played very opportunistically. They got a sack, fumble, TD on the most pathetic whiff I've ever seen by an OT. They got a forced fumble on a play that should have been whistled. There's 14 points right there. Then the kick return.

They played well, don't get me wrong, but they won because of a sloppy Q4 by AZ, not because they forced the issue.
 

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Crown Royal;1096816 said:
See, I saw the game - that defense played well all game, just not good enough to stop Leinart. The defense played very opportunistically. They got a sack, fumble, TD on the most pathetic whiff I've ever seen by an OT. They got a forced fumble on a play that should have been whistled. There's 14 points right there. Then the kick return.

They played well, don't get me wrong, but they won because of a sloppy Q4 by AZ, not because they forced the issue.


Really?

Keep in mind they got crap from their Offense, so there was a fatigue factor there.

Mike Brown returning a fumble at the tale end of the 3rd Quarter, Charles Tillman returning fumbles in the 4th Quarter, Urlacher stripping people, only 3 Points in the 2nd Half by the Cardinals, a couple of huge straight 3 and outs and Urlacher starting take over defensively. If that is not forcing the issue, I dont know what is.

If that is not forcing the issue, I dont know what is. I will take that from my Defense any day of the week.

- Mike G.
 

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mickgreen58;1096826 said:
Really?

Keep in mind they got crap from their Offense, so there was a fatigue factor there.

Mike Brown returning a fumble at the tale end of the 3rd Quarter, Charles Tillman returning fumbles in the 4th Quarter, Urlacher stripping people, only 3 Points in the 2nd Half by the Cardinals, a couple of huge straight 3 and outs and Urlacher starting take over defensively. If that is not forcing the issue, I dont know what is.

If that is not forcing the issue, I dont know what is. I will take that from my Defense any day of the week.

- Mike G.

Like I said, they played pretty well and took every opportunity given to them. But I stress 'given' to them. The fumble on Leinart, the guy came in untouched because AZ's rt is a bone head. And Leinart was cocking to throw. It the RT even chips the defensive end, that fumble never happens. AZ gave them that TD.

Their best play was the strip on Edgerrin james - no argument from me. Very heads up from Urlacher.

But as far as the three and outs, that was on Green as much as anything. The bears didn't exactly do much guess work when green decides to go into the run run pass mode, especially when AZ couldn't run on Harvard's defense. AZ was passing on them effectively all night. If Green unleashes Leinart, and Leinart plays as well as he had been, I guarantee you that they score more points.
 

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mickgreen58;1096814 said:
What their win means to me is that they are a pretty good football team, that managed to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat.

Good teams seem to somehow win those type of games and they did it with their defense.

They have the type of defense where no lead is ever safe.

I wouldnt call that a farce but a statement game.

- Mike G.
The Bears didn't snatch anything. They won on a missed 40 yard field goal. They did not block it or provide pressure to force a bad kick. The Arizona kicker just missed an easy FG. The Cardinals also missed a FG earlier in the game, and the Bears scored a TD on a fumble where the play should have been blown dead on forward progress. I think this was more of an instance of bad teams finding a way to lose. The Cardinals also found a way to lose to Kansas City, and I wouldn't call them a good team.
 

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sadly, had the Cards let Leinert try to keep moving the ball downfield instead of getting content to run on 2 and 2, they most likely win. The guy was cool and collected and seemed to find someone every play.

Also remember that the Vikings had the Bears beaten until a miracle turnover.
 

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bigbadroy;1096378 said:
that kicker screwed leinart out of a win for the second straight week. i also don't think we can beat chicago

We can beat anybody this year....it is wide open.....it will be hard to beat Chicago--yes, but we can do it!
 

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AtlCB;1096837 said:
The Bears didn't snatch anything. They won on a missed 40 yard field goal. They did not block it or provide pressure to force a bad kick. The Arizona kicker just missed an easy FG. The Cardinals also missed a FG earlier in the game, and the Bears scored a TD on a fumble where the play should have been blown dead on forward progress. I think this was more of an instance of bad teams finding a way to lose. The Cardinals also found a way to lose to Kansas City, and I wouldn't call them a good team.
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And for all those claiming that if the Cowboys had done that there'd be a boatload of posts claiming how great we were for it, I don't remember any of that last year when Roy picked off McNabb. If anything, most posts were that we were lucky to win it.
 

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jimmy40;1096769 said:
I thought the farce was the fact that Arizona was winning the game to begin with. Chicago should have won and they did.

Most annoying animated gif ever but...


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bigbadroy;1096378 said:
i also don't think we can beat chicago

Why? What possible evidence makes you think they will stop a balanced team like Dallas? Or advance the ball against our defense?

A one-dimensional Seattle team? A Buffalo team with an inexperienced QB? Green Bay, Detroit, or lucky, lucky wins at Minnesota and Arizona?

I watched the Bears, and they are not an offensive juggernaut regardless of what the statistics say. Their QB takes chances and can be flustered just like any other QB.

You guys would do well to shake off the Philadelphia loss and stop lumping it with the Jacskonville loss as some kind of pattern. Those were two different games we lost for different reasons. We were in both of them until the last play, and neither team showed it was demonstrably better than we were.

BTW, both of those teams have the same number of losses we do.
 

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ravidubey;1096933 said:
BTW, both of those teams have the same number of losses we do.

...as each season progresses it becomes obvious that we are deep into the salary cap era. It s the new paradigm in the NFL and as we all like to chant, "Any Given Sunday"!

No one team is unbeatable since the 92-93 Cowboys.
 

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If the Bears go 13-3 the rest of the season, I think they are the top seed in the NFC. Grossman had a bad game yesterday but he will not have those kinds of games every week out. He is getting better. I think that the Bears defense will keep them in any game they play. The fact that they spotted AZ 20 in the first half and basically came back with there defense, on the road, is proof of that IMO. To me, it still comes down to the fact that you will have to beat this team in Dec./Jan. in Chicago. I do not believe that we can do that. Our QB is not a young guy and the weather is going to effect him. There pass rush, together with our QBs inability to avoid pressure is going to be telling in any game we play against the Bears, should we be lucky enough to meet them in the playoffs. The poster who said this game is about match ups is correct. I think that we don't match up well against them.
 

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I may be in the vast minority here, but last night's game didn't make me respect the Bears less, it made me respect them more. Man, if you can put your defense in a hole like that, 6 turnovers, AGAINST ANY TEAM, and your defense and special teams can still deliver you a victory, that is a team that is going to be tough, tough, to beat. :bow:

Are they unbeatable? No, no one is. Do I feel that our team is close to their's right now? Not at the moment.
 

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rcaldw;1096999 said:
I may be in the vast minority here, but last night's game didn't make me respect the Bears less, it made me respect them more. Man, if you can put your defense in a hole like that, 6 turnovers, AGAINST ANY TEAM, and your defense and special teams can still deliver you a victory, that is a team that is going to be tough, tough, to beat. :bow:

Are they unbeatable? No, no one is. Do I feel that our team is close to their's right now? Not at the moment.

I definatly agree with this post. We are gushing all over ourselves because we beat Houston after being down 6-3 at half. Truth be told, Houston self distructed in the second half with Turn Overs yet when the Bears basically do the same thing, there not all there cracked up to be. Doesn't make sense to me. The Bears shut the Cards offense down in the second half.

The Bears are not going any where IMO. I guess we will see.
 
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