What Chicago's farce of a win means.

[tomson75]

Really? Well, Soldier Field in the winter is where statistically great offensive teams go to die. That's my point.

Really? Carolina begs to differ.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yes, they are saving it for a team they arent playing at all this year. Good thinking.

:laugh2:

 

[tomson75]

Yes, they are saving it for a team they arent playing at all this year. Good thinking.

I was joking. Didn't you hear that whiff over your head?

 

[chargrove]

With all the parity, anyone can presumably beat anyone on any given Sunday. Is that likely to happen? Well, no...but it CAN. "That's why the games aren't played on paper." Heh.

But as far as last night goes, the Cardinals can't run or protect very well and they let Chicago hang around too long and paid for it. End of story.

NOTE: I heard Theezman say he liked what the Cardinals' OL was doing about midway through the third quarter. Heh.

 

[kartr]

I think they are bad, but the fact is, they effectively pressured Leinart. Leinart is just already good enough to get the ball out within 3 seconds. If our QB plays that game, he resembles Grossman more than anything.

We lose to the bears.

Exactly, Bledsoe easily turns the ball over 3+ times under the same conditions, but we would have been smart enough not run the Edge straight up the middle on 1st and 2nd downs for 4 or 5 consecutive drives. I'd like to think that we would have dumped the ball off to our rb's in the flat a couple of times. I can't believe any offensive coordinator could be as stupid the Cardinals, except maybe the Raiders O. coordinator.

 

[kartr]

we haven't shown we are a playoff team yet

Right, we haven't beaten a good team yet.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Really? Carolina begs to differ.

LOL!!!!!!

Carolina was something like 22nd in offense last year, 3rd in the NFL defensively. I guess they can beg anything they want but Carolina wins games on defense, not offense IMO.

 

[Cochese]

LOL!!!!!!

Carolina was something like 22nd in offense last year, 3rd in the NFL defensively. I guess they can beg anything they want but Carolina wins games on defense, not offense IMO.

Steve Smith single handidly dominated the Bears in the playoffs last year, but they have brought in the anti-semite felon Ricky Manning, and also drafted several corners.

 

[kartr]

I thought the farce was the fact that Arizona was winning the game to begin with. Chicago should have won and they did.

Not really. Arizona is always tough at home in September and October. They have a talented young qb with only half a dozen fewer starts than Grossman who is a fraud anyway, a good rb, good receivers and a good pass rush. Grossman can't play against teams with half way decent defenses.

 

[kartr]

Chicago showed their weaknesses, mainly in that if you take away the deep ball to Berrian, their offense is extremely limited. Grossman has played like that pretty much all season, the difference is that the Cardinals defenders actually held on to the INT's instead of dropping all of them.

On defense, I think you need to do what the Cardinals did. Spread them out, get them in the nickel defense, and operate intermitently out of the shotgun.

I think Dallas has the talent to play with Chicago, but given Bledsoe's unwillingness to operate out of the shotgun, I think he'd wind up turning the ball over too much against their defense.


YAKUZA

I think you're right on all points. We definitely can beat the Bears, it's just that with Bledsoe, you never know what you're going to get.

 

[tomson75]

I think you're right on all points. We definitely can beat the Bears, it's just that with Bledsoe, you never know what you're going to get.

I'll agree with that. I think we should stick with him, but even my patience is wearing thin.

 

[kartr]

This is pretty much my point. We see the Bears flaws and that they aren't invincible. But people only see that they barely beat a bad team. They give no credit to the Bears defense, which actually played well, just not better than Leinart and Boldin. The AZ offense didn't 'accidentally' score on them - they were really that good, in the face of pressure.

Offensively, everyone knew they were limited prior to the beginning of the season. Now we see that - take away the deep and Grossman becomes Bledsoe - he won't check down or get rid of the ball, and it makes his line look bad. When he does check down he makes goof ball throws, throwing INTs.

But I say that the Cowboys lose, and all anyone sees is that a bears team barely beat the Cardinals, and we are better than the Cards, so therefore, we MUST win? RIght?


WRONG - it's all about matchups. If the Bears defense comes at us like they did against Leinart, Bledsoe has already shown that he can't make the throw Leinart did. The only sack Leinart took was the one where ross let his guy go - he got there in about 2.5 seconds. Any time you give Leinart, at 3 seconds, he had the ball out. Pressure and all. So the passing game is shut down on the bears.

Offensively, we can most likely stop the bears by pressuring Grossman. The thing is, we have shown that we do have a penchant for letting the big play get away, as in the Eagles game. If we get that squared away, we have a chance to make Grossman hurt us. But we also have to note that they had to abandon a pretty solid run game early - can we stop Thomas Jones? I tell you now - the Bears OL is better than AZ's and is pretty darn good - their QB made them look bad while holding the ball too long.

Now, what we have going for us is a strong run game and defense. If we can run the ball on them, and do so early, and then take away their offensive bread and butter, we stand a chance. But not unless we can do that. Because I tell you right now - we CANNOT pass on this team with Bledsoe at QB.

Very good points about Leinart.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Steve Smith single handidly dominated the Bears in the playoffs last year, but they have brought in the anti-semite felon Ricky Manning, and also drafted several corners.

I understand this and I agree with you. I watched that game last year. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that thou Smith had a good game, Carolina won that game with defense. If memory serves, they held Chicago to less then 100 yards total offense. That won't happen again with these Bears IMO. Also, it was like 40 or 50 degrees that game in Chicago in the middle of winter. That too is not normal. If you got a good offensive team matched up against Chicago with those weather conditions, then yeah, I think they could have a chance but to me, it's not likely to happen that way again. To me, the defense is even better then last year, which was pretty dang good, the offense is light years better and winter in Chicago is not normally 40 degrees, sunny and low wind. I just don't see it.

 

[ZeroClub]

I understand this and I agree with you. I watched that game last year. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that thou Smith had a good game, Carolina won that game with defense. If memory serves, they held Chicago to less then 100 yards total offense. That won't happen again with these Bears IMO. Also, it was like 40 or 50 degrees that game in Chicago in the middle of winter. That too is not normal. If you got a good offensive team matched up against Chicago with those weather conditions, then yeah, I think they could have a chance but to me, it's not likely to happen that way again. To me, the defense is even better then last year, which was pretty dang good, the offense is light years better and winter in Chicago is not normally 40 degrees, sunny and low wind. I just don't see it.

My take on that Smith's outstanding game is that the Bears were overconfident in their ability to handle Smith one-on-one. The Bears tried to play him straight ... as if he were just an average WR and not the critical focal point of the Panthers offense. A foolish error, IMO.

 

[Aikbach]

There is no earthly way the Skins would beat the Bears right now.

The Hogettes could suit up as refs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

My take on that Smith's outstanding game is that the Bears were overconfident in their ability to handle Smith one-on-one. The Bears tried to play him straight ... as if he were just an average WR and not the critical focal point of the Panthers offense. A foolish error, IMO.

Yeah, that was the most puzzling thing about that whole game, to me. I look at that Carolina offense and really, other then Smith, nobody scared me. They were a horrible rushing team because of the injuries at RB and OL, they really didn't have another money receiver. I think that they watched what happened with Carolina against the Giants the week before and put way too much stock in the fact that Foster ran wild against that team. They really didn't look at what Carolina had done over the majority of the season. I just don't understand why the Bears didn't take Smith right out of the game. Doesn't matter I suppose. I doubt they will make that mistake twice. Lovie Smith is no idiot.

 

[AtlCB]

We shall see. They're remaining schedule is pretty soft, but they do have some challenging games ahead of them. They have a three game road-trip in which they go into the Meadowlands twice, and then go into New England. Then they have to go into St. Louis, a game that will definitely test their defense.

However they have San Fran, Miami, Minny, Tampa and Green Bay remaining at home, and a road-trip to Detroit, meaning they are pretty much guaranteed 11 wins this season. If they can win half of the above road games, 13-3 should get them homefield throughout. They will be EXTREMELY tough to beat in Chicago in the playoffs. I expect them to finish 14-2 easily.

I have to agree and disagree with you. I don't think the Bears are that great, but I do see this team going 13-3 or 14-2. They play one of the easiest schedules I have ever seen. This team will get the top seed, but they will not represent the NFC in the superbowl. The Bears are going to face a level of talent in the playoffs that they are just not accustomed to playing.

 

[TRUTH87]

I'm afraid that Chicago will beat us just with their Defense. Our Defense is good, but theres is just great. Bledsoe wont get the ball away...he just wont!

 

[AtlCB]

I'm afraid that Chicago will beat us just with their Defense. Our Defense is good, but theres is just great. Bledsoe wont get the ball away...he just wont!

They didn't look that great for 2 1/2 quarters last night. I would also like to wait until the Bears actually play somebody before proclaiming this defense one of the best ever. Our defense would probably look really good playing the Bears' schedule.

 

[ringmaster]

On Paper I would agree.

However you never know until you play the game (that includes the skins)

There is a reason that it has been 20+ years and counting since a team went undefeated.

The way parity is in the NFL, it's hard for any team to stay undefeated nowadays.

The Bears, are what they are I sense a double standards around here when it come to the Cowboys.

If like some posters said in this thread that if that was the Cowboys, in that position last night against the Cards there would've been "fairweather fans", that would've said we suck and these same "fans" gives Rex Grossman, a pass when he threw 4 ints, against the Cards, and hadn't that been Bledsoe with 4 ints against the same team then they would be ready to crucify him interceptions are interceptions regardless of who is throwing them.

So if we play mistake free football against the Bears, who say we couldn't beat them and Arizona, has a worst O-line than we do yeah some will say Leinart, can move around blah,blah,blah but did any of these people saw how at times how the o-line handled Tommie Harris, and he's a go DT, look at how the played the "feared" Bears front 4 with the exception of the miss block that caused a Matt Leinart fumble in the 3rd qt, and the Bears, returned it for a TD the Cards o-line did pretty good.

Some will not like what I'm about to say but do you notice when some of those "fans" say that most of us true fans are to homeristic to see the weaknesses of the Cowboys, but yet they're too blind to see the weaknesses of the Bears, doesn't that make them homeristic to the expense of the Bears
and their already given them the NFC title if it were the Cowboys, the Bears are facing at Soldier Field come January.

These same "fans" never has and never will be fans of the Cowboys, regardless how the Cowboys finish any season and I'm not the authority either so they can't come with that cheap pitch I'm no better than any fan on here.

You represent them with the facts Brain, they can't handle the facts.