What could the Cowboys learn from the Philly team building model

[kskboys]

We built our team this way with our line in 2014 . We just didn’t add anything to our defense in 2016 after we drafted Dak. That was the time to build, also had another chance in 2021, drafted parsons went 12-5 when no one thought we would be that good. Offseason came and did nothing. Weak ****

Jerry sits on his laurels every time this team starts winning. He has this weird thing that when we start winning, he wants to draft TE's and CB's and WRs early and often. And that leads to our team falling apart.

 

[Blitzen]

And the biggie: Trade away assets while they are still worth something. Philly is not in this super bowl w/o the Wentz trade.

Most of all. There are only about 5 guys in the entire league that are off limits for trades. And any of them are still subject to getting traded eventually besides Mahomes (and that’s a maybe-depending on the next 4-5 seasons). The Cowboys don’t have any off limits guys, but the team does have to understand when to move on. That takes critical thought—yes, yes, I know.

 

[john van brocklin]

Lines of scrimmage are the foundation to winning the game. QB’s have some importance, but like all other players-they are commodities. Once the commodity looks like it’s fading-see ya later (and who cares if the team implodes).

Build a strong running game with a great offensive line, but target high end receiving weapons and pay high draft pick if you can secure a young one.

Continue adding high draft capital to the defensive front. If the draft falls a certain way, take a high end secondary player with the premium picks. Focus on cerebral players that can adjust to different offenses-especially in the secondary.

The game today did not go like most of the Philly games this year-they adjusted and took advantage of one on one matchups. No running game? No problem. Jalen also used his legs several times

Lines of scrimmage are the foundation to winning the game. QB’s have some importance, but like all other players-they are commodities. Once the commodity looks like it’s fading-see ya later (and who cares if the team implodes).

Build a strong running game with a great offensive line, but target high end receiving weapons and pay high draft pick if you can secure a young one.

Continue adding high draft capital to the defensive front. If the draft falls a certain way, take a high end secondary player with the premium picks. Focus on cerebral players that can adjust to different offenses-especially in the secondary.

The game today did not go like most of the Philly games this year-they adjusted and took advantage of one on one matchups. No running game? No problem. Jalen also used his legs several times to good effect.

They could learn a lot if they were open minded and willing.
I really don't think this front office has the ability/skillset to do what the Egirls did and need to hire a real GM that could.

 

[kskboys]

They could learn a lot if they were open minded and willing.
I really don't think this front office has the ability/skillset to do what the Egirls did and need to hire a real GM that could.

.....and at least had the brain power of a toad.

 

[kskboys]

Most of all. There are only about 5 guys in the entire league that are off limits for trades. And any of them are still subject to getting traded eventually besides Mahomes (and that’s a maybe-depending on the next 4-5 seasons). The Cowboys don’t have any off limits guys, but the team does have to understand when to move on. That takes critical thought—yes, yes, I know.

It is almost impossible to build a multi-year super bowl contender w/o a bevy of extra draft picks. Yes, yes, I know, KC, but they are the exception.

 

[plymkr]

Great post.

Thanks

 

[Sydla]

That is quite the assertion. I showed him Lurie insisting on and nixing deals by unilateral fiat.

When it comes down to it, we really do not know what extent Jerry has done anything. We have been privy to no executive meetings or their contents.

Management is certainly a problem but this is just scapegoating looking for causation.

We don’t know the extent Jerry or his son have done anything?

They literally brag about their authority. No owner in the NFL other than the Bengals owner has exerted the amount of influence in the day to day operations of the football team than our two boobs.

Every owner overrules their football people from time to time. Lurie absolutely has injected himself into certain situations but Roseman runs that show more than Lurie. That’s not the case here. The two Jones fill the role of Roseman.

 

[birdwells1]

All the money JJ has and can’t hire the best to mange the cap. Yes you have to eventually be in cap hell at some point. You have stars that need to be paid. You have to stagger them out and use the signing bonuses to get that guaranteed money paid off. Restructure and keep money free to bring in FA talent. Have studs on the LOS of both sides. SJ can’t do it. He is cheap. Good players don’t come cheap. We have a good scouting team and drafting.

We've been in cap hell without the super bowl success.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We don’t know the extent Jerry or his son have done anything?

They literally brag about their authority. No owner in the NFL other than the Bengals owner has exerted the amount of influence in the day to day operations of the football team than our two boobs.

Every owner overrules their football people from time to time. Lurie absolutely has injected himself into certain situations but Roseman runs that show more than Lurie. That’s not the case here. The two Jones fill the role of Roseman.

Really how is that? Because you have created a category of GM and shoehorned what they actually do in it.

Every owner influences their team's decisions. That does not lead to Jerry being at one extreme.

I can get behind the idea that Jerry is not any good at it. The proof is in the pudding but we do not know enough about how the Cowboys much less the rest of the league operate executively to make claims about the ranking of individuals.

 

[plasticman]

Nothing they shouldn't have already known.

That Eagles team had a lot in common with their own 90's team.

Monstrous O-line

Quality runner

Dominant D-line

Opportunistic passing game

Great pass defense

Takeaways that benefited the offense

The recipe was quite familiar.

 

[GINeric]

LOL-whatever you say. He just got a SB ring two short years after leaving Dallas. The Philly OC from the previous year got canned with largely the same unit when the offense was going nowhere.

OC’s call two different plays on pretty much every down. The QB gets a chance to look at the opposing defense and check into which play seems to fit best. It’s on both individuals, but the QB gets a massive say in which play is actually run (before, during, and after games). It’s always been and always will be more about the Jimmies and Joes than the X’s and O’s.

All of the “best” coaches look like geniuses with elite talent. Tom Brady proved who was more necessary when he left NE, and had his success with TB while NE steadily declined. KM is no different-he’s taking the job with the biggest paycheck (if it doesn’t work out-he will go be the OC with some other team). Andy Reid never won a SB till Mahomes. Bill Walsh with Montana. Lots of others.

First of all, the former offensive coordinator didn't have Saquon Barkley and that defense ALL intact.

Second... if your logic is "because he got a Superbowl ring. That means Trent Dilfer and Nick Foles were better quarterbacks than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly correct?

Foles and Dilfer got a ring in one try. Kelly failed in 4 attempts. So again, according to your logic, Trent Dilpher and Nick Foles were better quarterbacks than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly, right?

 

[GINeric]

Nothing they shouldn't have already known.

That Eagles team had a lot in common with their own 90's team.

Monstrous O-line

Quality runner

Dominant D-line

Opportunistic passing game

Great pass defense

Takeaways that benefited the offense

The recipe was quite familiar.

You have some around here giving Kellen Moore credit as if all of those things you've listed wasn't the real reason KM got a ring. There are 20 offensive coordinators who would have won a ring with this offense and complete team.

 

[charron]

That Stephen is a Joke.
1. That you do not have to overpay your own players because you are afraid of free agency.
2. You can use free agency to add talent to your team and not be eternally damned.

 

[Blitzen]

First of all, the former offensive coordinator didn't have Saquon Barkley and that defense ALL intact.

Second... if your logic is "because he got a Superbowl ring. That means Trent Dilfer and Nick Foles were better quarterbacks than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly correct?

Foles and Dilfer got a ring in one try. Kelly failed in 4 attempts. So again, according to your logic, Trent Dilpher and Nick Foles were better quarterbacks than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly, right?

My logic is sound. I never said he was the best OC. But he obviously is not some terrible coordinator with bad instincts. You don’t have to accept it if you are sore for whatever reason. KM was never an issue with the Cowboys. They enjoyed some of the best offensive years of any teams with him calling plays.

He was scapegoated for some of Dak’s many weaknesses in Dallas (along with a mediocre running game) for McCarthy to take over and keep his job. In two years, he was the SB winning OC with a team that the previous year canned the OC and barely kept the HC. Trent Dilfer and Nick Foles proved you could win with them when you surrounded them with enough talent. It’s just the simple truth. If 20 other offensive coordinators get the same results with this same Philly club, you might have a point. Otherwise, it’s just pointless bluster.

 

[cowboyec]

trench warfare.

 

[sunalsorises]

Don't copy the Eagles. By the time Dallas does that the next great team will be winning the Super Bowl. Dallas needs to run the ball and play defense, especially since they are married to Dak as QB.

 

[glimmerman]

We've been in cap hell without the super bowl success.

That’s true. Says alot for our FO..

 

[Blue&Silver]

I don't remember the team, but somebody picked off 1 of Howard Roseman's top deputies that worked on salaries with him. Nowadays that might be smarter than poaching from the coaching staff. That's what we should have been doing because obviously whoever is working on contracts doesn't know what he's doing, or does he? Maybe our front office is all about profits for themselves, not winning Super Bowl's for the team and fans.

 

[GINeric]

My logic is sound. I never said he was the best OC. But he obviously is not some terrible coordinator with bad instincts. You don’t have to accept it if you are sore for whatever reason. KM was never an issue with the Cowboys. They enjoyed some of the best offensive years of any teams with him calling plays.

He was scapegoated for some of Dak’s many weaknesses in Dallas (along with a mediocre running game) for McCarthy to take over and keep his job. In two years, he was the SB winning OC with a team that the previous year canned the OC and barely kept the HC. Trent Dilfer and Nick Foles proved you could win with them when you surrounded them with enough talent. It’s just the simple truth. If 20 other offensive coordinators get the same results with this same Philly club, you might have a point. Otherwise, it’s just pointless bluster.

I have no reason to be sore because of Moore or anybody else getting a ring as an offensive coordinator. Our problems here in Dallas are bigger than an offensive code. My point is, yes Moore got a ring and contributed to what the Eagles were doing.... but the Eagles would have won the Superbowl with or without Moore. They are just that talented.

Maybe Moore has gotten wiser when it comes to in-game situations, but he wasn't wise when he was here, bottom line.

 

[Cowboys1966]

Lines of scrimmage are the foundation to winning the game. QB’s have some importance, but like all other players-they are commodities. Once the commodity looks like it’s fading-see ya later (and who cares if the team implodes).

Build a strong running game with a great offensive line, but target high end receiving weapons and pay high draft pick if you can secure a young one.

Continue adding high draft capital to the defensive front. If the draft falls a certain way, take a high end secondary player with the premium picks. Focus on cerebral players that can adjust to different offenses-especially in the secondary.

The game today did not go like most of the Philly games this year-they adjusted and took advantage of one on one matchups. No running game? No problem. Jalen also used his legs several times to good effect.

Once your window opens, use void years to get over the hump. Had we embraced that we might be celebrating a Super Bowl.