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What do you think the Cowboys should offer Dak?


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ABQCOWBOY

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I think both of us through this conversation have indicated at times that we really don't know, and we have both indicated that what the other is saying really isn't verifiable, so to me it's been pretty clear we both recognize the fallibility of media reports. With both of us now responding to each other with "how do you know that", it probably makes sense to acknowledge that neither of us truly knows.

I think I know. I don't know exactly what the offer was/is but then, I was honest about that from the start. This is all based on reporting and the validity of that.

I'm not asking you to verify validity. I'm asking you to show any article that suggests Dak every took the extension offers seriously. That's a very different thing.
 

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I think I know. I don't know exactly what the offer was/is but then, I was honest about that from the start. This is all based on reporting and the validity of that.

I'm not asking you to verify validity. I'm asking you to show any article that suggests Dak every took the extension offers seriously. That's a very different thing.
I can't show articles that prove he took extension offers seriously, and I don't think you can show any that prove he didn't. That's simply an unknown. Ultimately, for every "what if" one of us comes up with, there is an opposing "what if" that the other can come up with.
 

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I can't show articles that prove he took extension offers seriously, and I don't think you can show any that prove he didn't. That's simply an unknown. Ultimately, for every "what if" one of us comes up with, there is an opposing "what if" that the other can come up with.

That's the point Omer. There is nothing much there. That's what tells you. If the extension talks were ever anything serious, you don't think that the Press would be reporting 10 ways to Sunday over it? It's the Cowboys, it's the QB, think about that.......

Today, with Covid and no Football at all, every single sports show does a piece on the Cowboys and Dak and there is literally no news at all. No football at all........

If there was any real consideration on it, there would have been reporting and I don't remember much. That's how you know.
 

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That's the point Omer. There is nothing much there. That's what tells you. If the extension talks were ever anything serious, you don't think that the Press would be reporting 10 ways to Sunday over it? It's the Cowboys, it's the QB, think about that.......

Today, with Covid and no Football at all, every single sports show does a piece on the Cowboys and Dak and there is literally no news at all. No football at all........

If there was any real consideration on it, there would have been reporting and I don't remember much. That's how you know.
This doesn't really make sense. On one hand you are saying we can't really be sure because press reports are just reports without any assurance of accuracy, and on the other hand you are saying Dak couldn't have taken talks seriously because the press would have been all over it. If the press is unreliable, that applies to what both you and I are saying, not just to what I am saying.

And, realistically, why couldn't that be turned around where we say if Dak wasn't taking it seriously the press would have been all over that?

But, if we are going with that, here is an artcle from a year ago in which Jerry says the negotiations are gong well, so while we can't really know what was in Dak's mind, it appears Jerry believed Dak was serious about the negotiation.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/05/23/dak-prescott-contract-negotiation-jerry-jones-dallas-cowboys
 

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There is foundation for it given that Wentz and Goff signed 4 year extensions.
We've gone over this.
Contract extensions and new contracts are not the same thing. Never have been.
A 5 year deal for Dak lines him up with the 4 year extensions of Goff and Wentz.
Just pay him slightly more and be done with it.

No big deal, though. I was just ribbing you
 

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We've gone over this.
Contract extensions and new contract are not the same thing. Never have been.
A 5 year deal for dak lines him up with the 4 year extensions of Goff and Wentz. Just pay him slightly more and be done with it.

No big deal, though. I was just ribbing you
They are for the player, but not for the team. For the player they are committing a certain number of years in exchange for a certain level of pay. With Goff an Wentz the number of years was 4.

For the team the difference is in the ability to spread the cap hit over a long time because the signing bonus gets paid up front and therefore a part of the hit can be allocated to the years remaining on the rookie deal. The Eagles and Rams got that benefit by extending before the rookie contracts were finished.
 

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They are for the player, but not for the team. For the player they are committing a certain number of years in exchange for a certain level of pay. With Goff an Wentz the number of years was 4.

For the team the difference is in the ability to spread the cap hit over a long time because the signing bonus gets paid up front and therefore a part of the hit can be allocated to the years remaining on the rookie deal. The Eagles and Rams got that benefit by extending before the rookie contracts were finished.
For Goff and Wentz it was not 4...it was 4 in addition to the remaining 1...or 5
 

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This doesn't really make sense. On one hand you are saying we can't really be sure because press reports are just reports without any assurance of accuracy, and on the other hand you are saying Dak couldn't have taken talks seriously because the press would have been all over it. If the press is unreliable, that applies to what both you and I are saying, not just to what I am saying.

And, realistically, why couldn't that be turned around where we say if Dak wasn't taking it seriously the press would have been all over that?

But, if we are going with that, here is an artcle from a year ago in which Jerry says the negotiations are gong well, so while we can't really know what was in Dak's mind, it appears Jerry believed Dak was serious about the negotiation.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/05/23/dak-prescott-contract-negotiation-jerry-jones-dallas-cowboys

I actually read this article before I saw your post. It's one of the very few you can find on this. But if you read it, it basically supports my contentions IMO. It says that Dak wanted 30 and we know that he got an offer of 30, according to reports and what happened? He and his representation turned it down and asked for more. See what I mean?

In response to your statements of lack of clarity, no..... you are going down the wrong path there. The validity of the stories are not what suggest the seriousness of the discussions. The lack of stories period, regardless of if they have the details right or not, that's the key. There should be a lot more stories filed if there was serious negotiation going on IMO.
 

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For Goff and Wentz it was not 4...it was 4 in addition to the remaining 1...or 5

Actually, it was in addition to the remaining 2 years (1st round picks have a 5th year team option), but take note of the words "in addition to" . The team paid for the years that were "in addition to" the years already under contract, which was 4. They didn't pay for the 2 remaining years on the rookie deal. They didn't have to. The contract covering those years was already in place.
 

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Actually, it was in addition to the remaining 2 years (1st round picks have a 5th year team option), but take note of the words "in addition to" . The team paid for the years that were "in addition to" the years already under contract, which was 4. They didn't pay for the 2 remaining years on the rookie deal. They didn't have to. The contract covering those years was already in place.

None of this makes any difference. None of it. Look at how the contracts were set up and paid out. That tells the story.
 

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I actually read this article before I saw your post. It's one of the very few you can find on this. But if you read it, it basically supports my contentions IMO. It says that Dak wanted 30 and we know that he got an offer of 30, according to reports and what happened? He and his representation turned it down and asked for more. See what I mean?

In response to your statements of lack of clarity, no..... you are going down the wrong path there. The validity of the stories are not what suggest the seriousness of the discussions. The lack of stories period, regardless of if they have the details right or not, that's the key. There should be a lot more stories filed if there was serious negotiation going on IMO.
Can you find any that say Dak wasn't taking the negotiation seriously? Why doesn't the lack o stories indicate the media had no reason to doubt Dak was taking it seriously. After all, if he wasn't, that would be a huge story. You can't be one sided about this and say the media would have been all over it if Dak were taking it seriously, but would have been silent if he weren't. There really is no logic to support that.
 

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None of this makes any difference. None of it. Look at how the contracts were set up and paid out. That tells the story.
How they were paid out and what the pay was for are different things. What it was for was 4 additional years.

Besides, how it was paid out was actually a benefit to Wentz and Goff because they got signing bonus money before their extension even kicked in. Dak doesn't get that benefit. He doesn't get bonus money early.

And, again, the difference in how they were paid out is only a result of the Eagles and Rams getting a deal early and in doing so they bought themselves some salary cap flexibility.
 

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Can you find any that say Dak wasn't taking the negotiation seriously? Why doesn't the lack o stories indicate the media had no reason to doubt Dak was taking it seriously. After all, if he wasn't, that would be a huge story. You can't be one sided about this and say the media would have been all over it if Dak were taking it seriously, but would have been silent if he weren't. There really is no logic to support that.

No. As I said, you can hardly find any articles on the negotiations. That's what leads me to believe that they weren't serious. I've never seen any negotiation in Dallas that had no stories covering it. I've already explained this earlier. I don't understand why you are asking this question again.

You say there is no logic. OK, well, we know that the team offered an extension. We know that Dak and his representation asked for 30 as a counter. We know that the team offered 30. We know that Dak and his agent them bumped up the price again. We know that Dak made the statement that he would not discuss contract until after the season. All of that, logically suggest that Dak and his representation were not serious about an extension, to me.

If we can't look at that and agree, well, then we definitely aren't going to agree about anything on this subject. This isn't on the team. Saying it is is just not honest. This is on Dak and CAA. The team matched his demands, in terms of pay. He declined and bumped it. That's happened multiple times now.
 

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No. As I said, you can hardly find any articles on the negotiations. That's what leads me to believe that they weren't serious. I've never seen any negotiation in Dallas that had no stories covering it. I've already explained this earlier. I don't understand why you are asking this question again.

You say there is no logic. OK, well, we know that the team offered an extension. We know that Dak and his representation asked for 30 as a counter. We know that the team offered 30. We know that Dak and his agent them bumped up the price again. We know that Dak made the statement that he would not discuss contract until after the season. All of that, logically suggest that Dak and his representation were not serious about an extension, to me.

If we can't look at that and age, well, then we definitely aren't going to agree about anything on this subject. This isn't on the team. Saying it is is just not honest. This is on Dak and CAA. The team matched his demands, in terms of pay. He declined and bumped it. That's happened multiple times now.

There were plenty of articles talking about the negotiations, just none that say what you are talking about - that Dak is or isn't taking the negotiation seriously. It's silly to think articles would say that - how would the media know, and why would they assume he wasn't taking them seriously.

And hell, you actually have an article that you admit to seeing where Jerry Jones himself said the negotiations were going well.

But if you want to see other articles indicating there was a negotiation last year, here are some ...

https://www.nfl.com/news/cowboys-in-negotiations-with-dak-prescott-cooper-0ap3000001030312

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/20/dak-prescott-cowboys-contract-antonio-brown-raiders-helmet

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...in-out-on-dak-prescott-potential-34m-contract

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/15/report-dak-prescott-contract-negotiations-cowboys-stalled/

https://insidethestar.com/patience-in-contract-negotiations-set-to-pay-off-for-dak-prescott/
 

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There were plenty of articles talking about the negotiations, just none that say what you are talking about - that Dak is or isn't taking the negotiation seriously. It's silly to think articles would say that - how would the media know, and why would they assume he wasn't taking them seriously.

And hell, you actually have an article that you admit to seeing where Jerry Jones himself said the negotiations were going well.

But if you want to see other articles indicating there was a negotiation last year, here are some ...

https://www.nfl.com/news/cowboys-in-negotiations-with-dak-prescott-cooper-0ap3000001030312

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/20/dak-prescott-cowboys-contract-antonio-brown-raiders-helmet

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...in-out-on-dak-prescott-potential-34m-contract

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/15/report-dak-prescott-contract-negotiations-cowboys-stalled/

https://insidethestar.com/patience-in-contract-negotiations-set-to-pay-off-for-dak-prescott/

I would not call this several but it is certainly more then just the one. That's fair.

So why then, do you suppose, once the team agreed to the contract requirements Dak asked for, did the offer go up?
 

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OK, so I've looked at these links more closely.
There were plenty of articles talking about the negotiations, just none that say what you are talking about - that Dak is or isn't taking the negotiation seriously. It's silly to think articles would say that - how would the media know, and why would they assume he wasn't taking them seriously.

And hell, you actually have an article that you admit to seeing where Jerry Jones himself said the negotiations were going well.

But if you want to see other articles indicating there was a negotiation last year, here are some ...

https://www.nfl.com/news/cowboys-in-negotiations-with-dak-prescott-cooper-0ap3000001030312

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/20/dak-prescott-cowboys-contract-antonio-brown-raiders-helmet

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...in-out-on-dak-prescott-potential-34m-contract

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/15/report-dak-prescott-contract-negotiations-cowboys-stalled/

https://insidethestar.com/patience-in-contract-negotiations-set-to-pay-off-for-dak-prescott/

https://www.nfl.com/news/cowboys-in-negotiations-with-dak-prescott-cooper-0ap3000001030312

This article is not about the negotiations. It's actually an article that talks about all of the upcoming contracts. It seems to be before any of the negotiation offers.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/20/dak-prescott-cowboys-contract-antonio-brown-raiders-helmet

This article is really not about the extension negotiations either. This article actually talks about why Dak should not extend and should wait for the bigger payday, which is exactly what I said in this thread, in terms of what I believed he and CAA were trying to do.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...in-out-on-dak-prescott-potential-34m-contract

This article, at least, mentions a negotiation but it definitely doesn't discuss the actual extension. No details, at all but at least it does discuss the idea of an extension.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/15/report-dak-prescott-contract-negotiations-cowboys-stalled/

This article basically says that there are no negotiations going on.

https://insidethestar.com/patience-in-contract-negotiations-set-to-pay-off-for-dak-prescott/

This article is not about the negotiations on extension. This article basically explains that Team Dak was not going to negotiate until Wentz had signed his deal and then would use that to leverage the number. It goes on to compare the two QBs but it's not about reporting on the extension.

If there are more, maybe we can look at those but only one of these links even kinda talk about the extension and then, it's from like 500K ft.
 

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I would not call this several but it is certainly more then just the one. That's fair.

So why then, do you suppose, once the team agreed to the contract requirements Dak asked for, did the offer go up?
I would call 5 several - well 6 with the article where Jerry comments on the negotiations going well, but I could come up with others, but it doesn't make sense for me to post every article. I was just trying to show that there wasn't any coverage on it like you were suggesting.

As for the team meeting Dak's contract requirements, I'm not sure what you are referring to. Admittedly I didn't read all those articles in detail, so was there something I missed?
 

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Tag him twice. 2 years top 5 money. See how well him and McCarthy work together.
 
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