What happened to Farniok?

[America's Cowboy]

Thats exactly what happened. Spagnola said that he thought they’d sign him to PS, he made no mention of Farniok turning them down. DMN said they did not offer Farniok a spot.

I'm glad I found the video from Mick Shots from Tuesday morning - Cut Day (August 29, 2023) where they (Mickey Spagnola, Everson Walls and Bill Jones) talked about their roster projections.

Go to the 29:00 minute mark where they start talking about the Oline. Mickey Spagnola right away mentioned his starting 5 Olinemen, then went to his backup Olinemen who he felt would make the team. Right away, the first backup Mickey mentioned he felt would make the team was Matt Farniok since Farniok was expected to be backup Center to Biadiasz, plus be able to play Guard if needed. Everson Walls agreed with him right away.



Even Mickey Spagnola and Everson Walls felt Matt Farniok would be an automatic backup to make the team. If DMN said the Cowboys did not offer Farniok a spot, they were right, but I heard through someone else (can't remember who) that Farniok was told by the Cowboys they would like to sign him to the practice squad...but Farniok refused. Since no one else has picked Farniok up, this tells me Farniok got his feelings hurt that he was cut.

 

[gtb1943]

Seems pretty clear Farnok is one of those players that would always be on the edge; never really making a team consistently.

Just my opinion, but if I were him I would take a good hard look at what I wanted to do with my life.

Live on the edge year after year never knowing what team you might be on if any or moving on from football.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I read yesterday that Bass actually played some Center against the Raiders last week.

I've watched the game several times and never saw him at C

 

[Cowboyny]

I've watched the game several times and never saw him at C

Then that poster was wrong. What we definitely know now, he is being cross trained.

 

[TNCowboy]

I'm glad I found the video from Mick Shots from Tuesday morning - Cut Day (August 29, 2023) where they (Mickey Spagnola, Everson Walls and Bill Jones) talked about their roster projections.

Go to the 29:00 minute mark where they start talking about the Oline. Mickey Spagnola right away mentioned his starting 5 Olinemen, then went to his backup Olinemen who he felt would make the team. Right away, the first backup Mickey mentioned he felt would make the team was Matt Farniok since Farniok was expected to be backup Center to Biadiasz, plus be able to play Guard if needed. Everson Walls agreed with him right away.



Even Mickey Spagnola and Everson Walls felt Matt Farniok would be an automatic backup to make the team. If DMN said the Cowboys did not offer Farniok a spot, they were right, but I heard through someone else (can't remember who) that Farniok was told by the Cowboys they would like to sign him to the practice squad...but Farniok refused. Since no one else has picked Farniok up, this tells me Farniok got his feelings hurt that he was cut.

MS's interview with the Fan yesterday is still up on youtube. Whichever one is the late morning show. You can listen for yourself. He makes no mention of Farniok turning anything down. Some guy earlier ITT claimed that, but he evidently just made it up or perhaps got it confused with Jabril Cox.

What does those guys thinking he would make it have to do with anything? They thought he would by default since we didn't have another center. DMN simply said he wasn't even offered a spot. I'd paste the quote, but that's not allowed here.

No one else picking him up tells you he got his feelings hurt? What? No, it tells you that not one NFL team - including the Cowboys - wanted him on their roster, nor evidently on their practice squad, either.

 

[Floatyworm]

What I have heard and read was that he disappointed in camp and the preseason. Cowboys saw some real regression. In fact Hoffman outplayed him in camp.

Now both were equally bad in preseason but Hoffman played a lot better against the Raiders. I think that made the final decision a bit easier for the coaches.

Lol..

Hoffman was horrible. Mark it down...@ some point we will regret cutting Farniok. Farniok may have not been the best guard...but he sure has a place in the league as a center.

 

[Floatyworm]

There you go. My suspicions are proven correct once again. Like I said before, Farniok played well this preseason when he was allowed to play Center. He probably got pissed off when told he was being cut. Can't blame him.

That makes more sense...especially since Hoffman was hideous. Just leave it to this front office to botch another players development. How many times do people need to see this kind of BS and begin to realize our front office is so over-rated

 

[America's Cowboy]

MS's interview with the Fan yesterday is still up on youtube. Whichever one is the late morning show. You can listen for yourself. He makes no mention of Farniok turning anything down. Some guy earlier ITT claimed that, but he evidently just made it up or perhaps got it confused with Jabril Cox.

What does those guys thinking he would make it have to do with anything? They thought he would by default since we didn't have another center. DMN simply said he wasn't even offered a spot. I'd paste the quote, but that's not allowed here.

No one else picking him up tells you he got his feelings hurt? What? No, it tells you that not one NFL team - including the Cowboys - wanted him on their roster, nor evidently on their practice squad, either.

That's fine. Mark my words, if Biadasz goes down with injury, whoever steps in as his backup is going to cost the team if it's any of the current ones kept instead.

 

[America's Cowboy]

That makes more sense...especially since Hoffman was hideous. Just leave it to this front office to botch another players development. How many times do people need to see this kind of BS and begin to realize our front office is so over-rated

The last 5 Oline coaches have stunk for this team, and it has affected the playmakers.

 

[Plankton]

The last 5 Oline coaches have stunk for this team, and it has affected the playmakers.

Bill Callahan stunk?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Bill Callahan stunk?

He only stuck around for 3 years. During his 3 years, only 1 year ended up being a good year...

2012 Cowboys: 8 - 8
2013 Cowboys: 8 - 8
2014 Cowboys: 12 - 4

 

[Plankton]

He only stuck around for 3 years. During his 3 years, only 1 year ended up being a good year...

2012 Cowboys: 8 - 8
2013 Cowboys: 8 - 8
2014 Cowboys: 12 - 4

If Bill Callahan stinks as an OL coach, then there are no good OL coaches in the NFL.

 

[America's Cowboy]

If Bill Callahan stinks as an OL coach, then there are no good OL coaches in the NFL.

PFF Oline Ranking (2012) ranked on January 28, 2013:

22. Dallas Cowboys (15)

PB – 26th, RB – 8th, PEN – 32nd

Stud: Never let us say we can’t be wrong. Nate Livings (+11.3) had his most consistent year as a pro in Dallas, making a mark with his run blocking.

Dud: It may be time to admit that signing Doug Free (-10.1) long-term just hasn’t worked out. There were too many games where he was taken to the woodshed by explosive defensive ends.

Summary: The Cowboys have put some money into their line recently, but the return just wasn’t there in 2012. Tyron Smith had an at times awkward first year at left tackle, while Mackenzy Bernadeau gave up too much pressure for an interior linemen. There is talent here, but like a lot of spots in Dallas you don’t always see it.

https://www.pff.com/news/ranking-the-2012-offensive-lines

PFF Oline Ranking (2013) ranked on January 14, 2014:

4. Dallas Cowboys (22nd)
PB: 9th, RB: 2nd, PEN: 24th

Stud: They got good play out of both tackles but Tyron Smith (+28.3) was the pick of the bunch. The 23-year-old is already one of the best left tackles in a league filled with good ones.

Dud: No player earned a lower grade than Ronald Leary (-9.4). The former undrafted free agent was largely decent but had a tricky middle spell to his season where he gave too much ground in pass protection.

Analysis: When things go wrong in Dallas they get magnified. But the truth is their line was a pleasant surprise as they opened up some big holes for DeMarco Murray and gave Tony Romo ample time to work with. While the tackles were the stars of the show but Travis Frederick came in and really added something to the run game.

https://www.pff.com/news/2013-offensive-line-rankings

PFF Oline Ranking (2014) ranked on January 8, 2015:

1. Dallas Cowboys (4th)

Pass Blocking Ranking: 4th, Run Blocking Ranking: 2nd, Penalties Ranking: 2nd

Stud: He’s just a notch below the top tackles, but not by much. Tyron Smith (+21.6) is a rock in pass protection and can have his way with you in the run game.

Dud: Move along. There is nothing to see here. They all, at the very least, had good years.

Breakdown: Years of building through the draft paid off in spectacular fashion. It was already a pretty good line, but the selection of Zack Martin pushed them over the edge. Strong in pass protection and opening up running lanes that would get me to 1,000 yards, the Cowboys were a true joy to watch. Don’t you just love it when a plan comes together?

https://www.pff.com/news/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings

Cowboys Oline finished ranked #1 again for the 2015 season. Then it started going downhill after that. I'll post the Dak years Oline Rankings later. Tony Romo was lucky to finish his last few years with the best Oline in the NFL. Apologies to Coach Bill Callahan if I mistakenly included him with the group of dud Oline coaches have had after Callahan left in 2014.

 

[Creeper]

I need to chime in here. After watching all 3 preseason games this year, and Farniok's games last year this topic needs some perspective. First, Farniok was never going to be the starting C, so those making comments about his level of play need some perspective. To me, it was clear Farniok was not a good LG. He was okay in a pinch, and he showed that last season when he stepped in for McGovern. But as a C, Farniok was a much better player, and certainly good enough to be the Cowboys backup behind Biadasz. I have no idea why Farniok was not offered a spot, or why he refused to accept one if he was offered and I will not speculate. But I am not going to dismiss his value just because he is no longer a Cowboy. Farniok struggles in pass protection at times, but he is very good run blocking. C is a good spot for him.

The problem with cutting him is a repeat of the Amari Cooper trade. I had no problem trading him, but if you trade him away at least get adequate compensation and HAVE A PLAN TO GET A SUITABLE REPLACEMENT!

Cutting Farniok was a standard move and if they had acquired a better player to replace him then who cares about cutting Farniok? The Cowboys did not have a plan. Signing the worst interior offensive linemen in preseason is not how you build a Super Bowl roster, Neither is signing a castoff from the Falcons, Cardinals, and Giants, 3 teams trying to rebuild bad offensive lines. Those are acts of desperation.

Farniok deserves to be the backup C behind Biadasz. I am sure the Cowboys wanted to keep him but because of depth at other positions they needed roster spots and decided to cut him with the intent of bringing him back. But from a player's perspective, if you are going to bounce from PS to roster back to practice squad I can see where a player might want to take his chances somewhere else. There is money and opportunity involved. These guys don;t have many years to play football so they have to make the most of what time they have.

Farniok has not signed anywhere yet. But maybe that's because he is waiting for the right opportunity. I said this when the Cowboys traded La'El Collins, but a players value increases once the season starts and players start getting injured. If a C goes down early in the season, a team could sign Farniok to their 53 man roster either to start or for depth.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The great

Lol..

Hoffman was horrible. Mark it down...@ some point we will regret cutting Farniok. Farniok may have not been the best guard...but he sure has a place in the league as a center.

The great farniok!!! Lol

Is it so hard to admit you were all dead wrong about him and Biadasz?

Its a beatdown of epic proportions!

 

[CowboyRoy]

I need to chime in here. After watching all 3 preseason games this year, and Farniok's games last year this topic needs some perspective. First, Farniok was never going to be the starting C, so those making comments about his level of play need some perspective. To me, it was clear Farniok was not a good LG. He was okay in a pinch, and he showed that last season when he stepped in for McGovern. But as a C, Farniok was a much better player, and certainly good enough to be the Cowboys backup behind Biadasz. I have no idea why Farniok was not offered a spot, or why he refused to accept one if he was offered and I will not speculate. But I am not going to dismiss his value just because he is no longer a Cowboy. Farniok struggles in pass protection at times, but he is very good run blocking. C is a good spot for him.

The problem with cutting him is a repeat of the Amari Cooper trade. I had no problem trading him, but if you trade him away at least get adequate compensation and HAVE A PLAN TO GET A SUITABLE REPLACEMENT!

Cutting Farniok was a standard move and if they had acquired a better player to replace him then who cares about cutting Farniok? The Cowboys did not have a plan. Signing the worst interior offensive linemen in preseason is not how you build a Super Bowl roster, Neither is signing a castoff from the Falcons, Cardinals, and Giants, 3 teams trying to rebuild bad offensive lines. Those are acts of desperation.

Farniok deserves to be the backup C behind Biadasz. I am sure the Cowboys wanted to keep him but because of depth at other positions they needed roster spots and decided to cut him with the intent of bringing him back. But from a player's perspective, if you are going to bounce from PS to roster back to practice squad I can see where a player might want to take his chances somewhere else. There is money and opportunity involved. These guys don;t have many years to play football so they have to make the most of what time they have.

Farniok has not signed anywhere yet. But maybe that's because he is waiting for the right opportunity. I said this when the Cowboys traded La'El Collins, but a players value increases once the season starts and players start getting injured. If a C goes down early in the season, a team could sign Farniok to their 53 man roster either to start or for depth.

Or maybe its because he sucks?

 

[Pass2Run]

What happened to him?

I thought he was significantly better than Hoffman.

Did he decline Cowboys practice squad or did they not offer him a spot?

Good question. I disagree with @America's Cowboy a lot. But he's right on this one. I can't seem to grasp what the coaching staff sees in Hoffman. I mean, I saw Sam Williams getting pissed in practice. But I don't think that has anything to do with Hoffman being so great as it does with Sam just acting a fool. I predict eventually he'll need a sitter like Dez. As for Hoffman, I hope we upgrade there in free agency. I literally saw him get lifted off the ground at left tackle.

 

[Starforever]

That's not what happened. Mickey Spagnola said the Cowboys told Farniok they wanted to sign him to the practice squad when he got cut. Farniok most likely took it hard getting cut and just like QB Will Grier refused to accept getting signed to the practice squad. Can't blame them feeling slighted after busting their tails in practice for the Cowboys in recent years.

If you are not good enough to have a career in the NFL, find another line of work. Many have never sniffed the field.

 

[Pass2Run]

That's very possible. But Farniok was not good in camp and even worse against the Jags and Seahawks.

I think the fact Hoffman maintained a slight edge over Farniok over the bulk of camp might have skewed the decision a bit. And remember Dallas also picked up Sean Harlow so maybe Hoffman shouldn't get too comfortable on the PS either.

The dumbest move they could possibly make is relying on Hoffman. Just won't work.

 

[Pass2Run]

from Mick Shots

Center Of Attention: That the Cowboys didn't retain a true backup center on the initial 53-man roster is eye opening. That is one reason the Cowboys have informed undrafted rookie free agent guard T.J. Bass, one of the now four backup offensive linemen on the 53, to start working getting comfortable with his hand on the ball, too. And he didn't delay, seen after practice on Wednesday not only snapping the ball as if a quarterback under center, but also taking some shotgun snaps, too. Needed one of those Norman Rockwell pictures of the gaggle of reporters interviewing Bass after practice Wednesday in the locker room. According to Bass, this represents his first interview since the start of training camp. Sounds as if the backup-center plan for now is using the allowed three game-day callups on practice squad center Brock Hoffman until someone proves worthy of manning the backup job on the 53.

Had a feeling T.J. Bass would make this team. I've been on a roll lately. Not sure if that's good, or bad.