What if Noah Brown is ready?

[ghst187]

Not Gallup, we need him back asap, but dont want to see them rush it.
He is no number 1 but he is a solid WR2.
I do hear you loud and clear though, that double standard will just frustrate you.

yeah I should included the /s at the end of that

 

[CWR]

I'm starting to think the FO/staff has some faith in Noah Brown to be a starter. He's been here six years but he's still only 26 and has shown some ability as a receiver and blocker. He's trimmed down and looks good in camp.

You never know... He might be just as good as Will Fuller, and more reliable. I hope so. Brown has been one of my pet cats every year.

I was thinking about that after watching some of his camp clips. I had kind of written him off after so long, but you never do know.

Most of us thought very little of Cooper Rush too, but he did manage to get us a win vs Vikings.

I'd love to eat crow on Brown. Make me a believer. That said we have 3 or 4 really interesting young wrs. Tolbert first, but Vasher, and Houston are interesting as well, maybe even Simi.

 

[irishline]

Miles Austin's breakout was in year 4.

Brown has played in 50 games which equates to 3 season plus 2 games.

If you are going to use games for Brown why are you not using the same for Austin?

His breakout season started 37 games in. Which equates to 2 seasons plus 5 games (technically 2 years 9 games since his breakout (KC game) was game 5 that year). You can add to that Miles litterally had 0 targets the first season (9 games) because he didn't play on offense at all (unlike Brown).

I am not saying Brown can't breakout, I just find it odd that you use an apples to oranges comparison that pretty much is a one year plus swing (2 years 9 games vs. your 4 years).

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Noah Brown is ready to be a Swiss Army knife but nothing special at any one position…like WR. he is what he is…if we are relying on him for meaningful WR reps then we are in trouble

When did we count on him and he alone made us lose?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If you are going to use games for Brown why are you not using the same for Austin?

His breakout season started 37 games in. Which equates to 2 seasons plus 5 games (technically 2 years 9 games since his breakout (KC game) was game 5 that year). You can add to that Miles litterally had 0 targets the first season (9 games) because he didn't play on offense at all (unlike Brown).

I am not saying Brown can't breakout, I just find it odd that you use an apples to oranges comparison that pretty much is a one year plus swing (2 years 9 games vs. your 4 years).

Maybe it's just not that complicated. Maybe we just admit this is the year....this is his chance. And cheer him on...if you have it in you.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He's been here longer than Wilson was, and Wilson STILL beat him out for playing time.
Second, I thought this thread was about whether Brown is ready. By ready, I would think we mean whether he can take on a substantial role in the offense. What good is he if the role he plays this season is the same as previous seasons?
He's been here since 2017, and he hasn't gotten much more playing time than he has so far.
That's not a guy I would consider is ready.

Because Wilson was a better receiver than him lol. Not sure where the confusion is. Cooper, Gallup, Wilson, Lamb…all better. That does not mean Brown can’t play because they are better.

 

[tyke1doe]

Because Wilson was a better receiver than him lol. Not sure where the confusion is. Cooper, Gallup, Wilson, Lamb…all better. That does not mean Brown can’t play because they are better.

But if he isn't better than they, he's not ready to play a substantial role in the Cowboys offense. Otherwise, he would have warranted a starting role and/or more playing time over them. Remember the thread title. The issue isn't whether Brown can step in for spot duty. The issue whether he is "ready" to assume a starting role.

Now, it's conceivable that Cooper, Gallup, Wilson and Lamb are all NFL-caliber starting receivers and Brown is a CFL-caliber receiver. And because of injuries free agency losses and trades, Brown is thrust into the starting lineup.

But he still won't be a NFL-caliber receiver just because he starts. It will simply mean the Cowboys don't have the talent to compete with other teams and have to pick a receiver based on what's left on their roster, kind of like in 1989 when our starting wide receivers were Derrick Shepard and Kelvin Martin.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

But if he isn't better than they, he's not ready to play a substantial role in the Cowboys offense. Otherwise, he would have warranted a starting role and/or more playing time over them. Remember the thread title. The issue isn't whether Brown can step in for spot duty. The issue whether he is "ready" to assume a starting role.

Now, it's conceivable that Cooper, Gallup, Wilson and Lamb are all NFL-caliber starting receivers and Brown is a CFL-caliber receiver. And because of injuries free agency losses and trades, Brown is thrust into the starting lineup.

But he still won't be a NFL-caliber receiver just because he starts. It will simply mean the Cowboys don't have the talent to compete with other teams and have to pick a receiver based on what's left on their roster, kind of like in 1989 when our starting wide receivers were Derrick Shepard and Kelvin Martin.

So you wanted the Cowboys to start 6 receivers lol? Mind you Wilson too couldn’t get onto the field unless someone was hurt. Your mind is made up. I’m not trying to convince anyone that he’s a good player because I don’t know. I haven’t seen him get enough reps to make the claim. He’s having a great camp and his play seems to be speaking for him.

 

[tyke1doe]

So you wanted the Cowboys to start 6 receivers lol? Mind you Wilson too couldn’t get onto the field unless someone was hurt. Your mind is made up. I’m not trying to convince anyone that he’s a good player because I don’t know. I haven’t seen him get enough reps to make the claim. He’s having a great camp and his play seems to be speaking for him.

I'll not extend this discussion any further. We'll see what he brings to the table and whether he can be a starter, like the author of this post suggests.

Peace.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

But if he isn't better than they, he's not ready to play a substantial role in the Cowboys offense. Otherwise, he would have warranted a starting role and/or more playing time over them. Remember the thread title. The issue isn't whether Brown can step in for spot duty. The issue whether he is "ready" to assume a starting role.

Now, it's conceivable that Cooper, Gallup, Wilson and Lamb are all NFL-caliber starting receivers and Brown is a CFL-caliber receiver. And because of injuries free agency losses and trades, Brown is thrust into the starting lineup.

But he still won't be a NFL-caliber receiver just because he starts. It will simply mean the Cowboys don't have the talent to compete with other teams and have to pick a receiver based on what's left on their roster, kind of like in 1989 when our starting wide receivers were Derrick Shepard and Kelvin Martin.

I think in order to be counted as ready...or in your case NOT ready....shouldn't we see him actually START? And succeed or fail.

I don;t think he's been giving a starting opportunity. Say as in Sam Hurd. Or say Miles Austin. One failed one succeeded. But not UNTIL they got that chance...to START.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I'll not extend this discussion any further. We'll see what he brings to the table and whether he can be a starter, like the author of this post suggests.

Peace.

As it should be. We shall see. This is his best shot. Let's try to cheer him on.

 

[tyke1doe]

I think in order to be counted as ready...or in your case NOT ready....shouldn't we see him actually START? And succeed or fail.

I don;t think he's been giving a starting opportunity. Say as in Sam Hurd. Or say Miles Austin. One failed one succeeded. But not UNTIL they got that chance...to START.

And how do coaches determine whether a player is ready to start?

Do they put names in a hat, draw them and whoever's name is drawn, that player starts?
Do they throw darts at a board with players' names and wherever the dart lands, that is who starts?
Or do they evaluate a player in practice, his previous contributions either in practice or on another team and decide the player should start?

Brown hasn't been given a starting opportunity because he wasn't good enough to earn a starting opportunity.

And how was/is that determination made? Based on practice and what the coaching staff knows about Brown and the other receivers competing against him for a starting position.

Wilson was in the same position as Brown. He filled his role as a niche player but made the most of it, unless Brown.

As for your citation of Miles Austin, Austin began to assert himself by his third year but was derailed by injuries. Brown hasn't been beset by injuries.

Also, Austin made the most of his opportunities, which is why he was inserted as a starter. Austin didn't become an instant starter. Brown has had his opportunities as a third or fourth receiver but hasn't really done much.

In three years, Austin had 3 touchdowns in a non-starting role; in the same time span, Brown has had 0 touchdowns.

Maybe lightning will strike and Brown will become Austin minus the hammy issues. But I doubt it. The best I can hope for is doing just enough to contribute to a balanced attack. Know your routes, run your routes, get open then hope Dak gets him the ball.

Anyway, just saw your response and wanted to give you a reply. But I'm done with this topic.

As always, being the consummate Cowboys fan, I hope I'm wrong. Nothing wrong with being wrong if it means the Cowboys and their players are winning.

 

[glimmerman]

We will see and I have my doubts. But he has been here and around Dak. Hoping one of the youngsters can step up.

 

[DeaconMoss]

5 years....50 games played....39 total catches....0 TD's is all I need to know....not to mention zero bring me off the sofa "wow" plays made, This all tells me that he must have some pretty damning pics of Booger and/or Chuckles.

Noah Touchdowns Brown

 

[J12B]

Heard a chat with Bryan Broaddus and Bobby Belt recently where they said they thought he looked noticeable different this off-season with better, quicker footwork.

You do realize they HAVE to talk about something related to Cowboys football for 3 hours EVERY DAY, right?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

And how do coaches determine whether a player is ready to start?

Do they put names in a hat, draw them and whoever's name is drawn, that player starts?
Do they throw darts at a board with players' names and wherever the dart lands, that is who starts?
Or do they evaluate a player in practice, his previous contributions either in practice or on another team and decide the player should start?

Brown hasn't been given a starting opportunity because he wasn't good enough to earn a starting opportunity.

And how was/is that determination made? Based on practice and what the coaching staff knows about Brown and the other receivers competing against him for a starting position.

Wilson was in the same position as Brown. He filled his role as a niche player but made the most of it, unless Brown.

As for your citation of Miles Austin, Austin began to assert himself by his third year but was derailed by injuries. Brown hasn't been beset by injuries.

Also, Austin made the most of his opportunities, which is why he was inserted as a starter. Austin didn't become an instant starter. Brown has had his opportunities as a third or fourth receiver but hasn't really done much.

In three years, Austin had 3 touchdowns in a non-starting role; in the same time span, Brown has had 0 touchdowns.

Maybe lightning will strike and Brown will become Austin minus the hammy issues. But I doubt it. The best I can hope for is doing just enough to contribute to a balanced attack. Know your routes, run your routes, get open then hope Dak gets him the ball.

Anyway, just saw your response and wanted to give you a reply. But I'm done with this topic.

As always, being the consummate Cowboys fan, I hope I'm wrong. Nothing wrong with being wrong if it means the Cowboys and their players are winning.

2 1st round draft picks and Gallup. Kinda hard to crack into that line up.
And yes Noah has had some nagging injuries. I'll see if I can find a source. Noah does recognize he has GOT to stay healthy and make the play...admitting he's not made some plays he needs to.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Personally...I;d rather cheer him on and be wrong...then claim his demise and be wrong. But that's me. The Optimist.

 

[tyke1doe]

2 1st round draft picks and Gallup. Kinda hard to crack into that line up.
And yes Noah has had some nagging injuries. I'll see if I can find a source. Noah does recognize he has GOT to stay healthy and make the play...admitting he's not made some plays he needs to.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Personally...I;d rather cheer him on and be wrong...then claim his demise and be wrong. But that's me. The Optimist.

Keep being optimistic to my pessimism.
The forum needs the balance.

 

[IrishAnto]

Would it shock everyone if Noah were to line up opposite of CD in first game?

No but the TB DBs would be licking their lips

 

[Pass2Run]

Brown's camp interview.

I actually like it.

 

[Toro9]

That's like asking if trysten hill is ready

Well, he might be. Would be mildly surprised if Hill doesn't make the team, actually.