What is with all of the Ramsey love?

[ConceptCoop]

Romo's never gonna have a defense do all the work for him a la Peyton last year in the twilight of his career. Pretty sad all this time the defense has been mediocre and stayed that way throughout his entire career.

Even with Ramsey turning out to be a great player, the secondary would still be weak at the spot he isn't playing and need another big time player. With how it is now........ yeah pretty sure any opposing offense has just a good a chance at chewing up clock converting every third down as we do with Zeke.

The defense is more than one player away, but Ramsey could have been a major step; so that maybe the next major step put us over the top.

I honestly think we had a shot to re-create 2014 without Zeke. The difference between 2014 and 2015 wasn't Demarco Murray, IMO, it was Romo/Dez. Our best shot at a SB was to get back to 2014 offensively without using major assets to do so, so that said assets could improve the defense over the next two seasons. I think that's our window. Sadly, now I don't think we'll have a defense capable of winning a SB during that span.

 

[gmoney112]

I still can't get over how many people are saying "but the defense isn't one player away!"

Dumbest reasoning I've ever seen on this forum outside of the guys saying Romo sucks

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

beat down one man to pump up another...

JR is damn good...
and Zeke is damn good as well..

 

[jnday]

Take a look at these highlights. The guy is everywhere. Its not just about interceptions. He would have been the absolute leader of our defense. Gets in your face. Tackels, stripping the ball, breaking up plays, picks, sacks, rushing the passer. There is NOTHING this cat doesnt do well.

Ramsey and Henry would have been just fine. Heck, I would taken Ramsey and Smith and been fine with that.

Now if Smith comes back and is a pro bowl middle linebacker for us I will have no complaints.

I have watched all of his videos and I came away impressed. He can clap his hands on Garret's level. That makes him one hell of a hand clapper and he jumps high when clapping. I give him extra style points for that.

 

[cowboyuptx]

Honestly guys, we got Ramsey literally a year ago. Byron Jones is the equivalent of Ramsey. I dont know why so many are upset that we didnt take him over Elliott. At least we know Elliott is a RB, Ramsey projects better at safety than corner, and doesnt want to play safety. You dont allocate 26 million to a guy who doesnt even know what position he is better at, or a guy with 3 picks. I dont care what people say, he was targeted plenty and didnt come away with the ball. At least with Zeke we know what we are getting.

Because "we got Zeke Elliott less than 2 months ago. Alfred Morris has already put up the type of seasons that are the equivalent of what we're hoping to see from Zeke"... Many will say that comparing Zeke and Morris is apples and oranges, because Zeke can supposedly do so much more, but only time will tell... And the same can be said for Jones vs Ramsey, only time will tell... However the big difference here, is that Byron Jones and Jalen Ramsey could have still both been full-time starters on the same defense, whereas Zeke and Morris can not be used at the same time.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Because "we got Zeke Elliott less than 2 months ago. Alfred Morris has already put up the type of seasons that are the equivalent of what we're hoping to see from Zeke"... Many will say that comparing Zeke and Morris is apples and oranges, because Zeke can supposedly do so much more, but only time will tell... And the same can be said for Jones vs Ramsey, only time will tell... However the big difference here, is that Byron Jones and Jalen Ramsey could have still both been full-time starters on the same defense, whereas Zeke and Morris can not be used at the same time.

Morris runs a 4.67 40. Zeke runs a 4.45. Bad comparison in terms of what Zeke offers.

 

[jnday]

Because "we got Zeke Elliott less than 2 months ago. Alfred Morris has already put up the type of seasons that are the equivalent of what we're hoping to see from Zeke"... Many will say that comparing Zeke and Morris is apples and oranges, because Zeke can supposedly do so much more, but only time will tell... And the same can be said for Jones vs Ramsey, only time will tell... However the big difference here, is that Byron Jones and Jalen Ramsey could have still both been full-time starters on the same defense, whereas Zeke and Morris can not be used at the same time.

You forgot to mention that Morris is at the end of his career and he has been in a steady decline for a couple of years. If Jones was at the end of his career, it would be time to replace him. Zeke is a totally different player as well. He is a total RB that does everything well.

 

[cowboyuptx]

You forgot to mention that Morris is at the end of his career and he has been in a steady decline for a couple of years. If Jones was at the end of his career, it would be time to replace him. Zeke is a totally different player as well. He is a total RB that does everything well.

Morris' stats have declined each season, there's no doubt about that... And RB's do tend to flame out rather quickly compared to other positions... But still, he's entering his 5th season in 2016, so it might be a bit premature to say he's already at the end of his career.

You guys are either dense, or you're intentionally missing the point...

The OP said that we don't need Ramsey because we already have Jones, but my point is that you can also make that argument against the Zeke selection. But unlike Ramsey and Jones who could have started together on the same defense, Zeke damn near nullifies one of our best off-season additions in Morris. Also, the OP assumes that Ramsey and Jones are on about the same level, but only time will tell... Just as you assume that Zeke is so much better than Morris, but again, only time will tell... That said, Byron Jones played okay as a rookie, but not so well that we should assume that Ramsey couldn't be far better as a rookie.... And on the other side of the coin, despite his "4.67" 40 time, Alfred Morris ran for 1600 yards as a rookie, behind a lackluster Commanders OL... If Zeke goes for over 1600 yards as a rookie, you guys will start working on his bust for Canton, oh wait, you've already started...

The OP was like "we don't need Ramsey, we've got Jones", but what has Jones proven thus far? That if I were starting a long-jump team, I would pick him #1 overall... No seriously, he shows some ability, but the jury is still somewhat out on him... I'm saying, it's actually easier to make the case "we don't need Elliott, we have Morris"... Unlike Jones, Morris has actually accomplished a lot in the NFL thus far, including 2x Pro Bowls in 4 seasons, 2nd Team All-Pro selection, All-Rookie Team Selection...

And again, selecting Ramsey would not have negatively effected Byron Jones' future with the Cowboys... If anything, having Ramsey out there alongside Byron Jones would likely help Jones to make more plays, which is something desperately needed on a defense that only forced 11 turnovers in 2015... If we were going to take Zeke, then we should not have signed Morris... And then to draft yet another RB in the 6th, what a waste... This team has totally screwed up the RB situation two years in a row now! Last season they screwed it up by not drafting a RB at all... This season they screwed it up by creating a logjam at the position with their poor planning...

PS - Gandhi was a pedophile... He was also extremely and openly racist against black people...

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

 

[jnday]

Morris' stats have declined each season, there's no doubt about that... And RB's do tend to flame out rather quickly compared to other positions... But still, he's entering his 5th season in 2016, so it might be a bit premature to say he's already at the end of his career.

You guys are either dense, or you're intentionally missing the point...

The OP said that we don't need Ramsey because we already have Jones, but my point is that you can also make that argument against the Zeke selection. But unlike Ramsey and Jones who could have started together on the same defense, Zeke damn near nullifies one of our best off-season additions in Morris. Also, the OP assumes that Ramsey and Jones are on about the same level, but only time will tell... Just as you assume that Zeke is so much better than Morris, but again, only time will tell... That said, Byron Jones played okay as a rookie, but not so well that we should assume that Ramsey couldn't be far better as a rookie.... And on the other side of the coin, despite his "4.67" 40 time, Alfred Morris ran for 1600 yards as a rookie, behind a lackluster Commanders OL... If Zeke goes for over 1600 yards as a rookie, you guys will start working on his bust for Canton, oh wait, you've already started...

The OP was like "we don't need Ramsey, we've got Jones", but what has Jones proven thus far? That if I were starting a long-jump team, I would pick him #1 overall... No seriously, he shows some ability, but the jury is still somewhat out on him... I'm saying, it's actually easier to make the case "we don't need Elliott, we have Morris"... Unlike Jones, Morris has actually accomplished a lot in the NFL thus far, including 2x Pro Bowls in 4 seasons, 2nd Team All-Pro selection, All-Rookie Team Selection...

And again, selecting Ramsey would not have negatively effected Byron Jones' future with the Cowboys... If anything, having Ramsey out there alongside Byron Jones would likely help Jones to make more plays, which is something desperately needed on a defense that only forced 11 turnovers in 2015... If we were going to take Zeke, then we should not have signed Morris... And then to draft yet another RB in the 6th, what a waste... This team has totally screwed up the RB situation two years in a row now! Last season they screwed it up by not drafting a RB at all... This season they screwed it up by creating a logjam at the position with their poor planning...

PS - Gandhi was a pedophile... He was also extremely and openly racist against black people...

It is dense to think that Morris was a big FA acquisition . Morris was actually a cheap insurance policy . Dunbar may not play a single down this year and DMac is average at best with a history of injuries. You clearly overvalue Morris. After his Rookie season, the "new" had wore out and in the last couple of years it has become clear that he will never be a top producing RB again. You assume that I am a big Zeke supporter, but I am actually a big supporter of smash mouth football with a physical running game. I have several posts on this board that state my opinion that I don't see the greatness in Zeke that I have seen in many of the other great RBs in years past. I am trusting the entire NFL scouting community on their opinion of Zeke. At the very least, I think that he is a good all around RB that has the ability to be great. I know that he is good, but don't know about great. With the 4th pick, I expect and want a great RB. Ramsey compare to Jones in a couple of ways so I get the comments about drafting the same player. Both of them can play any DB position , but neither one of them was the best pure CB or pure safety in their class. In some ways, I prefer Jones. Ramsey is not much on interceptions and from the information that Dallas received in the week prior to the draft, Ramsey is not a top CB prospect. I honestly think that scouting information that they received on Ramsey made the Zeke pick much easier. I understand your view of having both of them in the same defensive backfield. Sure, they could play any position needed. IMO , I had rather have the top rated pure CBs or the pure top rated safeties in each draft class. The position flexibility is great , but not at the expense of quality of play. I don't value DBs over pass rushers in any way. The success of any DB is dependent on the pressure and play of the DL in front of them. If I had to draft DBs, I would not be worried about what kind of athelete they are . I want production and by production, I mean interceptions and PBUs. I would have drafted Ramsey in the late first . Jones and Ramsey are similar players, except for Ramsey's cocky attitude and his elite hand clapping ability. I know that the basic hand clap is often overlooked , but I see the value there. Jason shouldn't have to clap alone. The information on Gandhi is an over share. I have never understood the fascination with him anyway. I apologize for the form and no paragraphs. I had my comments in paragraphs, but this phone jams everything together. I hope you can read it without getting a headache.

 

[Thomas82]

What rookie record does AP hold?

Actually, AP has the rookie and NFL single game record for yards, with 296 against the Chargers (11/4/07).

I didnt mean record, my bad, i meant his Rookie Rushing stats. What is the record for a rookie RB anyways?

Eric Dickerson has the rookie single season record for yards with 1,808 in 1983.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I have watched all of his videos and I came away impressed. He can clap his hands on Garret's level. That makes him one hell of a hand clapper and he jumps high when clapping. I give him extra style points for that.

I will give you style points for cutting up Garrett and his clapping. But if you honestly watched that tape and didnt see the leader of our secondary and or the leader of our entire defense then I have to say you missed it. Other than getting 7 or 8 picks the guy couldnt be more spot on perfect. And you have to think in college they simply didnt throw the ball his way.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It is dense to think that Morris was a big FA acquisition . Morris was actually a cheap insurance policy . Dunbar may not play a single down this year and DMac is average at best with a history of injuries. You clearly overvalue Morris. After his Rookie season, the "new" had wore out and in the last couple of years it has become clear that he will never be a top producing RB again. You assume that I am a big Zeke supporter, but I am actually a big supporter of smash mouth football with a physical running game. I have several posts on this board that state my opinion that I don't see the greatness in Zeke that I have seen in many of the other great RBs in years past. I am trusting the entire NFL scouting community on their opinion of Zeke. At the very least, I think that he is a good all around RB that has the ability to be great. I know that he is good, but don't know about great. With the 4th pick, I expect and want a great RB. Ramsey compare to Jones in a couple of ways so I get the comments about drafting the same player. Both of them can play any DB position , but neither one of them was the best pure CB or pure safety in their class. In some ways, I prefer Jones. Ramsey is not much on interceptions and from the information that Dallas received in the week prior to the draft, Ramsey is not a top CB prospect. I honestly think that scouting information that they received on Ramsey made the Zeke pick much easier. I understand your view of having both of them in the same defensive backfield. Sure, they could play any position needed. IMO , I had rather have the top rated pure CBs or the pure top rated safeties in each draft class. The position flexibility is great , but not at the expense of quality of play. I don't value DBs over pass rushers in any way. The success of any DB is dependent on the pressure and play of the DL in front of them. If I had to draft DBs, I would not be worried about what kind of athelete they are . I want production and by production, I mean interceptions and PBUs. I would have drafted Ramsey in the late first . Jones and Ramsey are similar players, except for Ramsey's cocky attitude and his elite hand clapping ability. I know that the basic hand clap is often overlooked , but I see the value there. Jason shouldn't have to clap alone. The information on Gandhi is an over share. I have never understood the fascination with him anyway. I apologize for the form and no paragraphs. I had my comments in paragraphs, but this phone jams everything together. I hope you can read it without getting a headache.

I know you are not into research on a subject, but I can tell you that you will be very pleased with Morris if and when he gets in the game and runs the ball for us. He is a quality back.

 

[jnday]

I know you are not into research on a subject, but I can tell you that you will be very pleased with Morris if and when he gets in the game and runs the ball for us. He is a quality back.

I do more research than many posters here. I just don't see the need in sharing everything that I find out unless the topic comes up. Even then, I am not going to take the time to post a lot of information that is available for anybody that takes time to look it up. I don't do research for people that is too lazy to research it themselves. As for Morris, there is no denying that he is in decline. I think he will do okay when giving Zeke a break, but it would have been poor planning to depend on Morris and DMac as the primary RBs this season. You would have had a valid point about Morris if this conversation took place three years ago, but he is at s different place in his career.

 

[BlindFaith]

According to Stephen, at CB Ramsey could be taken out of plays by the opposing OC. What?

If he actually did say this, I have lost even more respect for this team.

So you match up Ramsey with the best WR on the field and it's a bad thing that an OC won't throw that way? Wow.

 

[jnday]

I will give you style points for cutting up Garrett and his clapping. But if you honestly watched that tape and didnt see the leader of our secondary and or the leader of our entire defense then I have to say you missed it. Other than getting 7 or 8 picks the guy couldnt be more spot on perfect. And you have to think in college they simply didnt throw the ball his way.

What position would he have played while he was doing this leading?

 

[CowboyRoy]

I do more research than many posters here. I just don't see the need in sharing everything that I find out unless the topic comes up. Even then, I am not going to take the time to post a lot of information that is available for anybody that takes time to look it up. I don't do research for people that is too lazy to research it themselves. As for Morris, there is no denying that he is in decline. I think he will do okay when giving Zeke a break, but it would have been poor planning to depend on Morris and DMac as the primary RBs this season. You would have had a valid point about Morris if this conversation took place three years ago, but he is at s different place in his career.

Yah, I dont agree that Morris has declined. Thier offense/Oline declined and he started sharing carries.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

If he actually did say this, I have lost even more respect for this team.

So you match up Ramsey with the best WR on the field and it's a bad thing that an OC won't throw that way? Wow.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/audio/ben-skin/

Tuesday, May 3, Stephen Jones.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What position would he have played while he was doing this leading?

You have to start out playing him at corner. The only way you play him at safety would be to take advantage of his great tackling ability, his roaming ability, and his pass rushing ability.

 

[BlindFaith]

Morris runs a 4.67 40. Zeke runs a 4.45. Bad comparison in terms of what Zeke offers.

Really good article on Morris.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--a...l-scouting-is-far-from-perfect-205351918.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/scout-talk-alfred-morris-160607472--nfl.html

He had a 1.56 10 yard split. Zeke had a 1.58. Morris is quick and decisive when running with the ball. He lacks the long speed, but he has virtually everything else you'd ask for in a running back.