What is with all of the Ramsey love?

[wileedog]

Church/Heath/Wilcox is still starting.

Which is why as excited as I am to see Zeke run behind this line, I am inversely just as annoyed I have to watch these clowns running around chasing cars out there for another year.

 

[jnday]

He was widely regarded by some as the best player in this draft. And by just about everyone as a top 3 pick. IF you think Ramsey is equivalent to Jones, then you simply have no clue what you are talking about. Ramsey made plays all over the field. He has everything you want in a corner. Call him a safety all you want, he will play corner in the NFL.

He didn't make plays on the ball and there was a reason that he was rated as s better safety. This guy is no Primetime.

 

[ConceptCoop]

He didn't make plays on the ball and there was a reason that he was rated as s better safety. This guy is no Primetime.

Nobody is primetime but primetime. He's a bigger Tyrann Mathieu, who can also play C, Nickle, FS and SS.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

This is an interesting statement. If he is "taken out of plays by opposing OCs" doesn't that mean that you are also taking whom ever he is covering out of the play? What is worth to take a player or a quarter of the field out of the play?

Exactly!

Sounds like similar logic used for Floyd. It workout but they obviously have challenges evaluating/forecasting talent within their schemes. Defensively, anyway.

 

[zrinkill]

Over that same span we've drafted Lee, Carter, Crawford, Lawrence, Gregory, and Jones.

And who do you consider on that list to be the best?

 

[ConceptCoop]

And who do you consider on that list to be the best?

Lee, hands down.

 

[jnday]

5 of our last 7 first round picks were spent on offense. Tony and Jason are leftovers from Tuna/Payton. Collins was a miracle.

Over that same span we've drafted Lee, Carter, Crawford, Lawrence, Gregory, and Jones. We really haven't been any better at drafting offense, we just invested more on that side of the ball. Claiborne was a bust, but that doesn't mean we can't evaulate defensive players. You're seeing a pattern that simply doens't exist.

Carr was not scouted well either, which leads me to believe that their CB evaluation is not the best in the league. Good scouting would have picked up on Carter's lack in consistency . Lawrence is overrated on this board and he is not an impact player. Jones and Gregory are not far along enough in their career to know how good they will be. If I am not mistaken, Jenkins was drafted after Tuna left and he was not worth a second contract .

 

[ConceptCoop]

Carr was not scouted well either, which leads me to believe that their CB evaluation is not the best in the league. Good scouting would have picked up on Carter's lack in consistency . Lawrence is overrated on this board and he is not an impact player. Jones and Gregory are not far along enough in their career to know how good they will be. If I am not mistaken, Jenkins was drafted after Tuna left and he was not worth a second contract .

We have a different DC and secondary coach than when wedrafted Claiborne and signed Carr.

Lawrence was an impact player last year, and he's just barely turned 24.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We have a different DC and secondary coach than when wedrafted Claiborne and signed Carr.

Lawrence was an impact player last year, and he's just barely turned 24.

This is the problem with both Carr and Mo imo. They were both brought in to play in a man scheme. We have never really used them in a scheme that is suited to them. It is what it is.

 

[jnday]

Nobody is primetime but primetime. He's a bigger Tyrann Mathieu, who can also play C, Nickle, FS and SS.

Tyrann was a third round pick and he gets interceptions. Ramsey would have fit right in with the other Cowboy DBs that never look for the ball and never makes a play on the ball.

 

[jnday]

This is the problem with both Carr and Mo imo. They were both brought in to play in a man scheme. We have never really used them in a scheme that is suited to them. It is what it is.

Dallas played quite a bit of man coverage last year. A thread that was posted a couple weeks ago showed that it was a big percentage of the time. Mo and Carr are just borderline average QBs that have no ball skills.

 

[jnday]

We have a different DC and secondary coach than when wedrafted Claiborne and signed Carr.

Lawrence was an impact player last year, and he's just barely turned 24.

I agree with Lawrence. I typed Lawrence , who I have hope for , but I meant Crawford. Thanks for pointing out that I was wrong, because I sure typed in the wrong player.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Dallas played quite a bit of man coverage last year. A thread that was posted a couple weeks ago showed that it was a big percentage of the time. Mo and Carr are just borderline average QBs that have no ball skills.

They did and Mo had his best year thus far. I don't know if that's a coincidence or a sign. Carr, we wasted his best years trying to fit him in a scheme that didn't suit him IMO. I think Carr can be useful but I also think his best playing days are behind him.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Tyrann was a third round pick and he gets interceptions. Ramsey would have fit right in with the other Cowboy DBs that never look for the ball and never makes a play on the ball.

Have you looked at Tyrann's college stats? Do and get back to me.

Tyrann was a 3rd round pick because he got kicked out LSU. (LSU!)

 

[zrinkill]

Lee, hands down.

Would you like to know how many games he has started compared to how many we have played since he has been on the team?

46 out of 96 games.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Would you like to know how many games he has started compared to how many we have played since he has been on the team?

46 out of 96 games.

Not sure what that has to do with Jalen Ramsey.

 

[TheHerd]

After listening to sports radio all day up here in Boston, I had to listen to the break again. Broaddus never said he talked to anyone in the Patriots front office, but he said he talked to people "around the league".

Based on the interviews I heard today, and the comments of the Broaddus equivalents up here, Smith was most certainly in the Patriot plans for one of their two 2nd round picks.

I'm not saying I like the pick, and I'm not saying I think chasing the Patriots draft ideas is a good thing. I would have much preferred Spence with that pick though time will tell of course.

I think Broaddus was just butt hurt about how wrong he was on where so many of the players in this draft were going to get picked and how teams evaluated guys.

 

[dallasdave]

Luckily, my head is as hard as Ray Rice's and AP's hearts.

Stay safe Hard Rock !!

 

[ConceptCoop]

I think Broaddus was just butt hurt about how wrong he was on where so many of the players in this draft were going to get picked and how teams evaluated guys.

I really don't think it was that he was wrong. I think the pick itself legitimately pissed him off. He didn't really take a strong stand on Smith prior to the draft, did he?

 

[Risen Star]

It all started with Mike. Now most of the board has been bitten and are Winicki walkers.

Can't win a game because your QB's bones are like pretzels? Need more cornerbacks.

Get down with that sickness.