What Is Wrong in Dallas WON'T get fixed

[Rampage]

I am a big fan of the Cowboys.
I am a big fan of Jerry Jones.

Jerry Jones is the best owner in the NFL. Jerry is an excellent GM/player acquisition specialist. We have had excellent drafts the last couple of years. Good FA pickups.

If Jerry Jones bothers you so much, there are 31 other teams out there who would love to have you as a fan.

Like the Southwest commercial: you are free to fly to some other team.

I can't stop laughing at the crap in bold.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I thought this site got flooded by idiots after a loss?

 

[basilhayden]

Anybody who posts such rubbish should be immediately BANNED. Nobody has the right to tell someone to leave this forum for sharing their opinion.

MODS: I am calling on you to take action here.

I think they have a right if it is the "stupid opinion of the week".

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think they have a right if it is the "stupid opinion of the week".

Co-sign.

 

[rcaldw]

Co-sign.

I'll bet that I'm very safe in saying that MOST of the ARDENT Jerry Jones supporters (not all, but most), have no personal memory of the Cowboys dynasty of the late 60's into the mid 80's.

We won. We won more than anyone else. We won year after year. We won with CLASS. We won without a circus every year. We won without a circus master trying to get involved in everything down to the "socks and jocks" (his words).

It was great.

I've said it on here before. I'm grateful that Jerry spends money. I'm grateful that Jerry cares enough about his team to spend money. I am not grateful that he is on a personal mission to prove that he can win the Super Bowl with himself as the center of the Cowboys universe. I don't think it HAS worked, and I don't think it WILL work.

You don't have to agree with me. Just watch. We are now what? 14 years and counting for a single playoff win?

 

[rcaldw]

Here's the thing.

Jerry isn't going anywhere. Finding any and every way to rip into Jerry (this instance really is ridiculous) screams that no matter what Jerry does, he will be at fault.

And if that's the case, you're pretty much a fan that is only a fan so they can rip into Jerry. And you're only on this forum to rip into Jerry.

Hey, it's alright to criticize Jerry. But, when you blatantly state that essentially the Cowboys will never be good as long as Jerry is here and then you make a ludicrous example of why Jerry should be criticized, then we know the score with you.

You're just here to rip into Jerry.

So my feeling is if that is the case, I honestly cannot see why you root for the Cowboys. I would find another team. I hear Patriots fans and Steelers fans really love their owners.






YAKUZA

You are welcome to your opinion Rich, but you're wrong on this one.

I'm not blaming Jerry because an official directed his attention to an assistant coach standing behind Wade while Wade passively allowed the assistant to argue the case.

I blame Jerry for this stupid divided head coach monster. (Wade and Garrett)
I blame Jerry for a culture where he is the front and center person on most football matters.
I blame Jerry for a culture where he is publicly trying to influence play calling.
I blame Jerry for a culture that has players shoving coaches, only because, I don't think there is a great deal of respect in this organization for what coaches represent in terms of authority, across the board.

So, no, I'm not on a rip Jerry for everything mission. I'm saying Jerry has it fundamentally wrong when you have the OWNER trying to be EVERYTHING ELSE in the organization as well.

He is owner
He is GM
He is promoter
He is stadium constructor
He is play caller now

Tell me what he isn't? I can give you one. A playoff winner since 1996.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You are welcome to your opinion Rich, but you're wrong on this one.

I'm not blaming Jerry because an official directed his attention to an assistant coach standing behind Wade while Wade passively allowed the assistant to argue the case.

Really? Here is what you wrote:

What is wrong is Jerry Jones, and he isn't going anywhere.

The play that captured it for me was the controversy over Campbell stepping out of bounds before the throw. The camera zooms in on the official, he has come over to the sideline to explain what is going on to the coaches.

There is Wade, there is Campo, and there is some other assistant that I don't recognize. All 3 standing in front of the official. Who is the official giving the explanation to and getting an earful from? The assistant standing behind Phillips.

This team has no real head coach. This team has no real leadership from its coaching staff.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Because you saw an assistant arguing with the ref about a call, that signaled to you that Jerry is at fault.

And let's be honest here, that's a preposterous notion.

An assistant arguing with a ref over a call that even the refs didn't seem to understand doesn't mean 'we have no real head coach.'

Just another case of 'if anything goes wrong, it must be Jerry's fault.'

Jerry is hardly infallible and I believe even the most ardent Jerry supporters will admit that. And I have no problem with criticizing Jerry, but saying 'it won't be fixed as long as Jerry is the owner' makes ZERO sense to keep rooting for Dallas because he's not going anywhere.

I blame Jerry for this stupid divided head coach monster. (Wade and Garrett)
I blame Jerry for a culture where he is the front and center person on most football matters.
I blame Jerry for a culture where he is publicly trying to influence play calling.
I blame Jerry for a culture that has players shoving coaches, only because, I don't think there is a great deal of respect in this organization for what coaches represent in terms of authority, across the board.

So, no, I'm not on a rip Jerry for everything mission. I'm saying Jerry has it fundamentally wrong when you have the OWNER trying to be EVERYTHING ELSE in the organization as well.

He is owner
He is GM
He is promoter
He is stadium constructor
He is play caller now

Tell me what he isn't? I can give you one. A playoff winner since 1996.

So, you basically say 'I don't rip Jerry for everything,' then proceed to rip Jerry for everything.

Again...

He's not going anywhere until he dies.

It makes no sense to root for the Cowboys until he passes away if that's the case.





YAKUZA

 

[rcaldw]

Really? Here is what you wrote:

What is wrong is Jerry Jones, and he isn't going anywhere.

The play that captured it for me was the controversy over Campbell stepping out of bounds before the throw. The camera zooms in on the official, he has come over to the sideline to explain what is going on to the coaches.

There is Wade, there is Campo, and there is some other assistant that I don't recognize. All 3 standing in front of the official. Who is the official giving the explanation to and getting an earful from? The assistant standing behind Phillips.

This team has no real head coach. This team has no real leadership from its coaching staff.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Because you saw an assistant arguing with the ref about a call, that signaled to you that Jerry is at fault.

And let's be honest here, that's a preposterous notion.

An assistant arguing with a ref over a call that even the refs didn't seem to understand doesn't mean 'we have no real head coach.'

Just another case of 'if anything goes wrong, it must be Jerry's fault.'

Jerry is hardly infallible and I believe even the most ardent Jerry supporters will admit that. And I have no problem with criticizing Jerry, but saying 'it won't be fixed as long as Jerry is the owner' makes ZERO sense to keep rooting for Dallas because he's not going anywhere.




So, you basically say 'I don't rip Jerry for everything,' then proceed to rip Jerry for everything.

Again...

He's not going anywhere until he dies.

It makes no sense to root for the Cowboys until he passes away if that's the case.





YAKUZA

When I saw an assistant handling the discussion with the referee it was, in my view, SYMPTOMATIC of the problem under Jerry Jones.

He hires these passive, puppet coaches whenever he can get away with it. The only exception to this, since his obsession with proving he can do it the "Jerry way" is when he hired Parcells. The only reason he hired Parcells was because of all the losing that led up to it and a team that had become an embarrassment at the time under his leadership.

So, I'll say again, you misunderstand me. It isn't ONE incident, it is what the incident reminds me of when I see it. An emasculated head coach who really is only the coach of the defense. A two-headed monster that is that way by Jerry's design, so that Jerry is the "go to guy" on football matters.

The thing that cracks me up is the idea I need to find another team. I don't have to like Jerry "the football guy" to be a fan of the Cowboys. While I don't claim to be the greatest Cowboys fan on earth, and I'm sure many of you outdo me, I do believe that 40 years of following one team is a pretty good measure of fandom.

I love the Cowboys. I'm glad Jerry spends money. I'd be lying if I said I like cage dancers, what feels like endless gimmicks, at times, surrounding his team just to keep it before the public eye, very questionable personnel moves that probably his son has saved him from at times (whoever convinced him to get rid of T.O. did a good thing); and his megalomania. I preferred the days of Murchison and Landry. Owner is an owner. Coach is THE coach.

If that makes me a non-fan, then so be it.

 

[ShiningStar]

You are welcome to your opinion Rich, but you're wrong on this one.

I'm not blaming Jerry because an official directed his attention to an assistant coach standing behind Wade while Wade passively allowed the assistant to argue the case.

I blame Jerry for this stupid divided head coach monster. (Wade and Garrett)
I blame Jerry for a culture where he is the front and center person on most football matters.
I blame Jerry for a culture where he is publicly trying to influence play calling.
I blame Jerry for a culture that has players shoving coaches, only because, I don't think there is a great deal of respect in this organization for what coaches represent in terms of authority, across the board.

So, no, I'm not on a rip Jerry for everything mission. I'm saying Jerry has it fundamentally wrong when you have the OWNER trying to be EVERYTHING ELSE in the organization as well.

He is owner
He is GM
He is promoter
He is stadium constructor
He is play caller now

Tell me what he isn't? I can give you one. A playoff winner since 1996.

You are not ripping Jerry for anything, but you are ripping Jerry for everything. I agree with YR, Seattle could use some fans.

 

[robjgrif]

:doh:

 

[rcaldw]

You are not ripping Jerry for anything, but you are ripping Jerry for everything. I agree with YR, Seattle could use some fans.

If Seattle could use some fans, go for it.

I'll still be here. I'll still have my own views. I'll still be saying that Jerry has no business playing football guy. And I'll still be right. You don't have to like it, and I don't need your approval.

 

[Bach]

What is wrong is Jerry Jones, and he isn't going anywhere.

The play that captured it for me was the controversy over Campbell stepping out of bounds before the throw. The camera zooms in on the official, he has come over to the sideline to explain what is going on to the coaches.



This team has no real head coach. This team has no real leadership from its coaching staff.

You have Jerry taking a page from Bud Adams and Commander boy telling his offensive coordinator who needs to get the ball more. Felix.

Until Jerry Jones steps aside the Cowboys are what the Cowboys will be.

Organized around the wrong guy.... Jerry

He's been our biggest problem since he took full control when Jimmy left.

Jerry telling the coaches what plays to call or who to start or who to give more playing time to is beyond ridiculous. And, it just proves what many of us have known for the years now, that he is the psuedo-HC as well as owner and GM.

 

[silver]

He's been our biggest problem since he took full control when Jimmy left.

Jerry telling the coaches what plays to call or who to start or who to give more playing time to is beyond ridiculous. And, it just proves what many of us have known for the years now, that he is the psuedo-HC as well as owner and GM.

co-sign

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Mr. Jones is the BEST owner in NFL history!

 

[brickman]

I agree 100% that Jerry is a big problem.

But I try as best I can to live in denial.

I'm in denial with you.

 

[baj1dallas]

But I'm also right, and if you knew a little bit about how successful NFL teams have functioned, like, FOREVER, you would know that Jerry Jones' way makes a mess of a football team.

Yes, we are 7-3, and we will be 8-3 after Thanksgiving. That's better than the Lions and Browns, and a whole lot of other teams,

So Jerry Jones' way, which has won Superbowls and been to the playoffs in the past 4 years, is worse than the Browns or Lions', two organizations who's ownership styles you approve of?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

So Jerry Jones' way, which has won Superbowls and been to the playoffs in the past 4 years, is worse than the Browns or Lions', two organizations who's ownership styles you approve of?

Apparently so.

He's not a fan of the Dallas Cowboys. He's a fan of ripping into Jerry Jones. I could see a fan saying 'we'll never be fixed until Garrett is gone' or to that effect. I can even see a fan saying 'Jerry meddles too much' or 'Jerry can't draft' (I wouldn't agree with the latter, but I can see their opinion).

But when you say the Cowboys will never be fixed as long as Jerry is around, then I don't understand how you can be a fan of the team. Whether we like it or not, Jerry is the Dallas Cowboys. He's not going anywhere unless he dies. Ripping into him for everything screams 'I'm just here to rip into Jerry' which is the equivalent of being a Cowboys hater.

The playcaller thing I don't really get either. So he said he'd like to see Felix get the ball more. Who wouldn't? And he ran the ball effectively. Jeff Fisher who is so highly regarded as a coach had to be told by Bud Adams to put Vince Young in as the starting QB. And guess what? Adams was right and Fisher now looks like a fool.

I've criticized Jerry plenty of times, but I'm not going to criticize him for everything and in particular this season I think he's done a wonderful job with the personnel of this team. He can't make Tony Romo throw catchable passes. He can't make Nick Folk (a guy that wouldn't be here if Parcells was around) make a FG. He can't prevent Marion Barber from fumbling.

And who were we supposed to hire when Wade was hired? Look back at that time and there were really no big name coaches available. Then Wade goes 13-3. Is he supposed to fire Wade after that season?

I don't think so.

And if Jerry did butt in to things, it was probably with firing Brian Stewart, a guy that Wade would've undoubtedly kept around. And the defense won the Commanders game for us and for the most part, has been very very good this season.

You can't just blame Jerry for everything and credit him for nothing. If you do, then you're really not a fan of the Cowboys and a team like Jacksonville, which seems to need fans, would gladly take your support.






YAKUZA

 

[EmSmith22]

I could be wrong, but I've always thought the Cowboys would be better off with a more disciplined head coach. I mean, this is football, every team should have a hard-nosed coach if you ask me. I just don't see that in Wade. I see it in Dave Campo though.

:laugh2:

I think we're worrying more than we should because of the Cowboys offensive woes in the past 2 weeks. After all, the Skins are rated #1 in pass & receiving defense...and GB is rated #7. Had the Packers had offensive issues like the Skins, we would've been able to come out with a win in Lambeau.

Just my 2 cents. :shrugs:

 

[dbair1967]

Sorry, guys, and I'm sure many will vent their spleen here, but I've watched enough of it to be convinced.

We will all continue to cheer for our team, hope for the best, etc., but what is wrong with this team will not get fixed for a long time.

What is wrong is Jerry Jones, and he isn't going anywhere.

The play that captured it for me was the controversy over Campbell stepping out of bounds before the throw. The camera zooms in on the official, he has come over to the sideline to explain what is going on to the coaches.

There is Wade, there is Campo, and there is some other assistant that I don't recognize. All 3 standing in front of the official. Who is the official giving the explanation to and getting an earful from? The assistant standing behind Phillips.

This team has no real head coach. This team has no real leadership from its coaching staff.

You have Jerry taking a page from Bud Adams and Commander boy telling his offensive coordinator who needs to get the ball more. Felix.

Until Jerry Jones steps aside the Cowboys are what the Cowboys will be.

Organized around the wrong guy.... Jerry

RC, we usually agree on most stuff. This I dont agree on though.

Is Wade Phillips the best coach we could have, no he isnt.

Is Jason Garrett the best offensive coordinator we could have, probably not. Although I do believe he vastly over criticized/scrutinized by the CZ experts.

Is this roster about as good as one could hope, yes it is. There arnt any glaring, obvious holes.

Jones did an a long and very deliberate coaching search. He made a decision to hire Wade after coming the conclusion that most watching the team for several years also did, that the defense was a huge problem and that our offense was showing signs of being a force.

At the end of the day Jerry makes a good scape goat for people who dont want to believe we have alot of prima donna type players (still) that dont work hard enough to excel or dedicate themselves enough to the little things that ultimately brings a championship. Bill Parcells was regarded as a "franchise" head coach. He was a multiple super bowl winner who rebuilt several teams. He did a great job of rebuilding our talent base, but he couldnt coach mistakes out of the OL, missed tackles by multiple players, dropped passes by certain receivers or poor decisions by the franchise QB either. ultimately, he failed as head coach just as Wade is.

Is Jones stating Felix should get the ball more anything other than stating the obvious? No it isnt, Garrett knows it, so does Skip Peete. If the guys healthy, he should be getting a considerable workload.

Jones is what I have always said he is. A person with a massive ego who craves the credit, but behind the scenes probably has very little actual input into anything. He is a delegator and relies on the input of multiple people for franchise decisions.

 

[802dave]

There aren't any glaring, obvious holes.

After watching our receivers struggling to make plays, after teams realized that Miles Austin was for real, I'd have to say that our receiver corp is average at best. Does that fit "glaring, obvious holes"? In words, no. However, during-game actions say yes.