What Is Wrong in Dallas WON'T get fixed

[rcaldw]

Who said I was talking about you? I am talking about the statement, "I hope I am wrong." That statement is a fail safe crutch.

Cmon Hos, I'm sure the statement was made with no reference to what I had just said?

Look, it doesn't even bother me, but I think what Rockwood is saying that has some truth to it, is that often times people won't take each other at face value.

I said I hope I'm wrong. I meant it when I said it. I don't believe I'm wrong, or I wouldn't hold the opinion I do. Why would I hope I'm wrong? Because I'm a Cowboys fan. Why hold my opinion at all? Because I think Jerry's current approach is bad for the team I've followed all these years. What is so hard to believe about all of that?

And it was AFTER I said I meant it, when I said I would be happy to be wrong, that you threw out the "crutch" comment.

And as I already said, I don't need a crutch because I don't have a NEED to be right. People throw in a "bail out" statement when they want to come back later and "not look so bad". When they want to "hedge their bet" so to speak.

I have no need to do that. I really don't care if I "look bad" on Cowboyszone, unless it is because I have conducted myself in a way that is rude and violates the rules. Then I would care.

This is a wonderful place that I enjoy reading and posting. I appreciate the PRIVILEGE to do that. And I really do believe it is a privilege, not a right.

So, no, not a crutch, just what I really believe and what I really mean.

I also want to add that I know that you, Hostile, do a lot of work for this site (at least it seems that way to me), and I want to say thank you to you and the other mods. I know Juke has helped me more than once, including ridding me of the T.O. portion of my sig picture and replacing it with Austin. (thanks again John)

 

[dreghorn2]

'That is a load of crap. At no time has any Moderator on this site publicly threatened to ban anyone for their opinion. Not positive or negative. The Mods here work behind the scenes, taking things to PMs. On the forums they are posters just like anyone else.'

Not in a 'you will be banned' manner, but in a 'your opinion is wrong because you are critical, manner'.

'I have never understood why this is so shocking. Go to any fan forum for any sport and post "it's over" 2 minutes into a game and see what kind of responses it elicits. For the most part fans do not appreciate constant negative crap about their teams.'

But i don't expect it from experienced mods, you seem surprised that there is negativity, or disagreement, i don't.

'If you're not guilty of using it as a crutch why should it upset you? I've used that comment too. Almost everyone has. Does that in any way change the fact it is used as a crutch? No.'

I don't understand this comment.

'But you don't see any of the sunshine crowd, koolaid drinking, pom pom shaking, homer cracks?

Okay.'

Yes i see them, of course i do. I am just surprised that you react to so much of the over the top stuff.

'I'm not. Leaving is your choice. No one is forcing you out any doors.'

That was just a statement i made in reaction to Dallas' comment to me, it wasn't some sort of empty threat

I should figure out the quote function, but i don't post enough. And i should probably go back to lurk mode.

 

[dreghorn2]

Look basically i just felt that rcaldw was being sincere.

I don't believe he has an agenda to be 'right' above all else and ithought he was being unfairly treated in a rather mocking fashion.

I could be mistaken but i have sensed from reading here daily for years that you, Hos, have been a little.. combative, to anyone disagreeing with your opinion.

I don't think that you are the type of person to shy away from criticism, and goodness knows, i could be completely wrong about what i'm sensing from some of your posts, so if i'm wrong about the former, or the latter, i apologize.

 

[rcaldw]

Look basically i just felt that rcaldw was being sincere.

I don't believe he has an agenda to be 'right' above all else and ithought he was being unfairly treated in a rather mocking fashion.

I could be mistaken but i have sensed from reading here daily for years that you, Hos, have been a little.. combative, to anyone disagreeing with your opinion.

I don't think that you are the type of person to shy away from criticism, and goodness knows, i could be completely wrong about what i'm sensing from some of your posts, so if i'm wrong about the former, or the latter, i apologize.

Not wrong about the former Rockwood, was just stating my honest opinion and desire for our team to succeed.

 

[Hostile]

Not in a 'you will be banned' manner, but in a 'your opinion is wrong because you are critical, manner'.

I'm sorry, that is just nonsense. If a Mod disagrees with you in a thread it is as a poster. Period. This is why I hate my job here. I have the same opinions whether I wear the hat or not. I would make some arguments look silly regardless of the hat. In fact, that is what I am doing. That is what anyone on the staff does.

But i don't expect it from experienced mods, you seem surprised that there is negativity, or disagreement, i don't.

I will continue to repeat, on the forum we are not Mods. We are Cowboys fans with opinions. If you can't look past the hat that is not our fault. I am not surprised by negativity. I just don't happen to agree with some of it and I shoot it down if I feel like it. Did I respond in the "we're going to win the Super Bowl thread?" Did I give that thread a thumbs up? Did I ratify it, bless it, or sanctify it?

No, in fact I am on record as saying I don't think we are a Super Bowl team. I hope I am wrong.

There, now I have used the crutch in the very thread.

I don't understand this comment.

It's simple. I don't see why the word crutch should upset you.

Yes i see them, of course i do. I am just surprised that you react to so much of the over the top stuff.

I enjoy it. It's really just that simple.

That was just a statement i made in reaction to Dallas' comment to me, it wasn't some sort of empty threat

I saw his post. The comment stands, no one is asking you to leave.

I should figure out the quote function, but i don't post enough. And i should probably go back to lurk mode.

In the Support Zone there is a sticky thread about how to use the quote function. It is a step by step process.

I am not telling you to lurk either. Your opinions are welcome. Unfortunately, so are mine. I am sorry for that.

 

[dreghorn2]

'Not wrong about the former Rockwood, was just stating my honest opinion and desire for our team to succeed.'

That reference wasn't towards you rcaldw,

The former.. meaning that he, Hos, would not shy away from criticism, the latter meaning that i could be wrong about Hostiles' intent.

I believe your posts were sincere.

 

[Doomsay]

As much as you THINK he is not a GM, you in no way shape or form have any idea whatsoever what other clubs think. No matter how many times you can parrot the same old line over and over again.

What we do know is:

1) Multiple GREAT head coaches, Holmgren, Parcells, Fisher, Gruden and Shanahan, all have stated publicly they respect Jones as a football guy. Gruden has been everything but subtle about his desire to work for Jerry Jones.

Quickly, what do these guys have in common? Could it be a desire at some stage to get a fat contract from Jerry? Do you really think that Parcells respects Jerry as a football guy? :laugh1:

2) The NFL OWNERS have elected Jerry to be on the competition committee for over a decade. You know the committee where they decide the RULES OF THE GAME? Its not exactly marketing 101 like people like yourself would have us think he is qualified for.

Jerry the owner is a financial and therefore a political Juggernaut, not sure his election to the competition committee is a validation of his football acumen.

3) Player after player has stated publicly that money being equal there is no other place in the world that they would rather play than in Dallas. We've seen guys like Ware, Rat and Columbo take deals under market value to stay in Dallas.

I'm sure that it's a nice and comfortable place to play, plenty of money and relatively easy coaches (for the most part).

Jones would never be hired as a stand-alone GM by any team, he's not very good, look at his record since he's "taken control".

 

[Hostile]

Look basically i just felt that rcaldw was being sincere.

I don't believe he has an agenda to be 'right' above all else and ithought he was being unfairly treated in a rather mocking fashion.

I could be mistaken but i have sensed from reading here daily for years that you, Hos, have been a little.. combative, to anyone disagreeing with your opinion.

I don't think that you are the type of person to shy away from criticism, and goodness knows, i could be completely wrong about what i'm sensing from some of your posts, so if i'm wrong about the former, or the latter, i apologize.

You don't need to apologize to me. I am not in the least bit offended. I just want it known for the umpteenth time that on the forums every member of this staff is a Cowboys fan with an opinion, not a Moderator unless they have to be. We all hate having to be Mods. I'm being honest, it sucks. Our opinions are not welcome any more. But that isn't true. Yes, they are. Even mine. Sad I know.

We are not Mods unless it is in private, via PMs, or a situation getting out of hand too rapidly to control without a public warning. In the 7 years I have been doing this I think I issued one Public Warning about unwelcome opinions on this forum. It was directed at Eagles trolls who posted on their site to come over here and troll to upset as many Cowboys fans as possible. I posted that warning to them so they had no reason to cry as we shot their futile attempts down in flames.

Yes, I am very combative, competitive, abrasive, and even callous. I do not deny this. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I have heard, "you live up to your username." If I feel I have a point, I will push the envelope. If someone makes a point, I will acknowledge it. I joke around a lot. I won't deny this. If the jokes come back, I respect that. Do you really think I chug Nyquil every day? Too often the responses don't come back as jokes. They come back as insults. Once they do I guarantee people will not like me. I am human. I have bad days. I have days where I say something to someone that I regret. I have often PMed a private apology later.

If anyone thinks I am a bad guy, they simply do not know me at all. I know a lot of posters don't like me. Hey, that's fine. There are a lot of posters I don't like either. I don't hate anyone. I don't have it in my nature. I keep saying it, the poster I got into the most heated discussion I have ever been in is someone I truly respect.

 

[Dallas]

Yes, I am very combative, competitive, abrasive, and even callous. I do not deny this. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I have heard, "you live up to your username." If I feel I have a point, I will push the envelope. If someone makes a point, I will acknowledge it. I joke around a lot. I won't deny this. If the jokes come back, I respect that. Do you really think I chug Nyquil every day? Too often the responses don't come back as jokes. They come back as insults. Once they do I guarantee people will not like me. I am human. I have bad days. I have days where I say something to someone that I regret. I have often PMed a private apology later.

You guys should see his Facebook page.


Marshmallow :

 

[dreghorn2]

'I'm sorry, that is just nonsense. If a Mod disagrees with you in a thread it is as a poster. Period. This is why I hate my job here. I have the same opinions whether I wear the hat or not. I would make some arguments look silly regardless of the hat. In fact, that is what I am doing. That is what anyone on the staff does'

First, i feel bad about that. I am being very honest when i say that forum moderation is without question a thankless (yet hugely necessary task).

'It's simple. I don't see why the word crutch should upset you.'

Point taken regarding you being a mod.

The crutch comment, i believe, was unfair, and directly pointed at the poster in question, or certainly seemed to be.

'I saw his post. The comment stands, no one is asking you to leave.'

Ahh.. very well, i misunderstood.

'In the Support Zone there is a sticky thread about how to use the quote function. It is a step by step process.

I am not telling you to lurk either. Your opinions are welcome. Unfortunately, so are mine. I am sorry for that.'

Thanks for the information on the quote function.

No need to be sorry.

And on a lighter note, because unfortunately i have taken this thread on too dark a turn, i also thought Drew Henson was the real deal.

 

[jobberone]

Anybody who posts such rubbish should be immediately BANNED. Nobody has the right to tell someone to leave this forum for sharing their opinion.

MODS: I am calling on you to take action here.

Nothing there to act on. Feel free to use the ignore feature. It may be boorish but it's not against the rules.

 

[rcaldw]

You guys should see his Facebook page.


Marshmallow :

I don't think anyone dislikes Hos or thinks he's a bad guy. I know I don't. And I completely understand an "edgy" exchange. What I don't agree with is when there really isn't an exchange, it is just "idiot" references and "go find another team". Hos has never done that to me or to anyone else that I have seen.

I also think (know) that Hos is exactly right when he says that mods are simply posters when they post. And I'm also sure being a moderator is just work.

I have never minded a guy disagreeing with me. Period. I just say lets do it in a thoughtful way, in a way where we really exchange ideas, and not let it devolve to the place where it is just name calling.

Heck, I've been wrong a lot over the years when it comes to Cowboys stuff. I was a Hogeboom backer

 

[Hostile]

You guys should see his Facebook page.


Marshmallow :

Dang, I wanted to be a teddy bear, not a marshmallow.

At least I can rail at the referees.

 

[jobberone]

Well that was interesting.

 

[TD-33]

Maybe its REALITY that is annoying to you. Just a hunch.

:laugh2:

The reality is; the Cowboys are 7-3 not 3-7 so why whine like all is lost.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Who said I was talking about you? I am talking about the statement, "I hope I am wrong." That statement is a fail safe crutch.

I think it depends in some cases.

What is 'wrong?'

Does Jerry have to win a Super Bowl in order to prove them wrong?

While I'm here as a fan with my main concern to win a Super Bowl, the fact is that those are far and few between these days for any single team in the NFL.

Are they right if the team plays hard and loses in the NFC Championship game?

I don't think so and I think that anybody who thinks that the Cowboys are still basically crap because they didn't make it past an NFC Championship game is not really a Cowboys fan and realy just fan of Jerry-hating.

The thing that struck me about this thread was the original post blaming Jerry for a ref arguing with an assistant on the sidelines about a call. What's funny is that I think Wade probably had the assistant come around because this assistant probably knows the rule book by heart or close to it. Most HC's I've followed do not and have guys like this around to help them out. Parcells used to have Ray Handley do that as well as run numbers and clock management situations by him.

So to me, that just said 'hey, I'm going to blame Jerry for everything unless we actually win a Super Bowl.'

Perhaps, I'm wrong on that account.

I had/have my gripes about Romo although in my mind he doesn't need to win a Super Bowl to 'prove me wrong.' And I *think* I could be wrong. But, for now my belief, and I've backed this up with statistical data and some other strong points is that we need to find a suitable replacement for him unless he proves me otherwise.

I hope I am wrong. But I don't think I'm as stringent on what Romo would have to do to 'prove me wrong.' And if he does, I'll gladly say I was wrong and reassess my thinking in regards to NFL QB's.






YAKUZA

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Quickly, what do these guys have in common? Could it be a desire at some stage to get a fat contract from Jerry? Do you really think that Parcells respects Jerry as a football guy? :laugh1:

1) Parcells could have gotten a job with any organization in the league making the $5 mil/year he was making here and gotten GM position as well.

He accepted the coaching position knowing full well that Jerry was the GM and had final say. So you're saying that Parcells took a coaching job with a GM that he didn't respect for money he didn't need and could have gotten elsewhere?

2) You just ignore the other coaches out there like SB winners Holmgren, Shanahan and Gruden that

Jerry the owner is a financial and therefore a political Juggernaut, not sure his election to the competition committee is a validation of his football acumen.

Political juggernaut? This isn't the DNC where campaign financing is key to maintaining office. The owners retain their position regardless of Jones approval. If what you say is true then Snyder should have just as much clout as Jones but he doesn't.

I mean lets just forget about Fisher, a great coach in his own right, who is also on the competition committee and is a respected friend of Jones.

I'm sure that it's a nice and comfortable place to play, plenty of money and relatively easy coaches (for the most part).

Jones would never be hired as a stand-alone GM by any team, he's not very good, look at his record since he's "taken control".

Actually its not a nice comfortable place to play. The amount of media pressure and scrutiny here in Dallas is second to none in football.

Last time I checked we were 7-3. Really that should preclude this asinine thread but whatever.

The plenty of easy money doesn't explain guys like Columbo, Ratliff and most especially Ware taking lesser contracts to stay with the team. Actually it completely blows that theory out of the water.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, then, what is YOUR view? I'm on record with my own. I wouldn't think you would relay all those things if you didn't agree with them. That is why I say YOU must agree with them, YOU must think he really is a good NFL personnel man. Am I wrong, or do you agree with them?

My view?

My view is that absolutes bring absolutely nothing substantive to a discussion.

My view is that claiming to know anything about what NFL FO will do or not do is pretty dumb.

My view is that in a league where Mangini and Millen can get a job, claiming anyone else can't is pretty dumb.

My view is that Jerry is willing to try anything to win no matter how out of bounds it is.

My view is that Jerry makes mistakes but more importantly he learns from them and never stops trying.

My view is that we are 7-3 and finally have a team that wins games when our players are beat up and we're playing like ****.

 

[Doomsay]

1) Parcells could have gotten a job with any organization in the league making the $5 mil/year he was making here and gotten GM position as well.

He accepted the coaching position knowing full well that Jerry was the GM and had final say. So you're saying that Parcells took a coaching job with a GM that he didn't respect for money he didn't need and could have gotten elsewhere?

I think that a more contrite (5-11, 5-11, 5-11) Jerry made a lot of concessions to get Parcells here as far as power sharing (not walking the field etc.). To be honest, I don't really recall Bill showing an interest in coaching any other teams or vice-versa at the time. I think that he was in some financial need after a messy divorce, and I don't recall any other teams bidding him up for $5mm coaching spots, but maybe I missed it.

 

[Hostile]

I think it depends in some cases.

What is 'wrong?'

Does Jerry have to win a Super Bowl in order to prove them wrong?

While I'm here as a fan with my main concern to win a Super Bowl, the fact is that those are far and few between these days for any single team in the NFL.

Are they right if the team plays hard and loses in the NFC Championship game?

I don't think so and I think that anybody who thinks that the Cowboys are still basically crap because they didn't make it past an NFC Championship game is not really a Cowboys fan and realy just fan of Jerry-hating.

The thing that struck me about this thread was the original post blaming Jerry for a ref arguing with an assistant on the sidelines about a call. What's funny is that I think Wade probably had the assistant come around because this assistant probably knows the rule book by heart or close to it. Most HC's I've followed do not and have guys like this around to help them out. Parcells used to have Ray Handley do that as well as run numbers and clock management situations by him.

So to me, that just said 'hey, I'm going to blame Jerry for everything unless we actually win a Super Bowl.'

Perhaps, I'm wrong on that account.

I had/have my gripes about Romo although in my mind he doesn't need to win a Super Bowl to 'prove me wrong.' And I *think* I could be wrong. But, for now my belief, and I've backed this up with statistical data and some other strong points is that we need to find a suitable replacement for him unless he proves me otherwise.

I hope I am wrong. But I don't think I'm as stringent on what Romo would have to do to 'prove me wrong.' And if he does, I'll gladly say I was wrong and reassess my thinking in regards to NFL QB's.






YAKUZA

Great post. I can't fault a word of it.