What Is Wrong in Dallas WON'T get fixed

[birdwells1]

I have to disagree with you there.Jerry isn't an excellent GM/player acquisition specialist.Let's take Jerry the GM.There isn't another team in the NFL that would hire Jerry as there GM/player personnel guy if he was available.As an owner,he is damm good at marketing this team,and at making money.There is no one better.That unfortunately isn't all an owner is about.4 out of the last 5 head coaches he has hired couldn't get a head coaching job in the NFL when he hired them.Also,a smart owner would have fired the GM along time ago.I believe Jerry wants to win,and has a strong passion to win,but I don't believe he will do anything to win.The smart move would be to hire a good football guy to run that side of it,and reap the benefits as an owner.His ego will never allow that.The worse thing that ever happened was that Parcells didn't have more success here.Now when people complain about hiring a football guy,Jerry can say,I did it that way with Parcells,and we didn't win a playoff game.

Excellent post, I would also add that when an owner (concerned more with generating revenue and brand awareness) and a GM (concerned only with W and L's) are the same person then there's going to be a conflict of interest.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok, if you want to believe Jerry is a "football guy" while Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, men who actually worked for Jerry, laugh at the idea, then go ahead.

Doesn't bug me at all. You have a right to believe whatever you want. Believe it.

By the way.... would having looked at an NFL scouting report shut you up? If I answer that with yes, would that end the discussion for you?

Jerry made those comments 15 years ago when he was really mad at Jerry. You haven't watched him much at all lately have you?

Parcells thought so little of him that he worked under him for 4 years. He has never stated at least publicly what you claim he has. Publicly he has stated the opposite.

The final was for a point of reference not the crux of the argument.

 

[rcaldw]

Jerry made those comments 15 years ago when he was really mad at Jerry. You haven't watched him much at all lately have you?

Parcells thought so little of him that he worked under him for 4 years. He has never stated at least publicly what you claim he has. Publicly he has stated the opposite.

The final was for a point of reference not the crux of the argument.

Like I said Fuzzy, I'm fine with whatever anyone's view of Jerry is. If you think he is a great football man, I'm fine with that. In fact, I hope he has become that. Our team needs it.

 

[Hostile]

Good enough I've had enough fight in this thread, time will tell whether I'm right or wrong. I'd be happy to be wrong. Just want our team to win another Super Bowl. Who knows maybe we'll do it this year and Jerry can jerk the trophy away from Wade like he did gunsmoke That would be fun to watch.

By far, the most over used crutch statement on this forum. Shout negative platitudes to your heart's content. As long as you say that, you can give the umpire safe sign if we do happen to win.

 

[rcaldw]

By far, the most over used crutch statement on this forum. Shout negative platitudes to your heart's content. As long as you say that, you can give the umpire safe sign if we do happen to win.

I don't say things I don't mean. If you do, fine, but I don't. When I say I'd be happy to be wrong on this one, I mean it. I don't think I am wrong. I think Jerry hurts his team by the way he involves himself on the football side. If you disagree, fine. Lets hope you're right.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Like I said Fuzzy, I'm fine with whatever anyone's view of Jerry is. If you think he is a great football man, I'm fine with that. In fact, I hope he has become that. Our team needs it.

Im not claiming he is a great football man. I am just relaying what the PLAYERS, COACHES and OWNERS in the NFL actually say about him.

You're the one that is making claims as to what NFL FO people will do/think.

 

[rcaldw]

Im not claiming he is a great football man. I am just relaying what the PLAYERS, COACHES and OWNERS in the NFL actually say about him.

You're the one that is making claims as to what NFL FO people will do/think.

Well, then, what is YOUR view? I'm on record with my own. I wouldn't think you would relay all those things if you didn't agree with them. That is why I say YOU must agree with them, YOU must think he really is a good NFL personnel man. Am I wrong, or do you agree with them?

 

[Hostile]

I don't say things I don't mean. If you do, fine, but I don't. When I say I'd be happy to be wrong on this one, I mean it. I don't think I am wrong. I think Jerry hurts his team by the way he involves himself on the football side. If you disagree, fine. Lets hope you're right.

No, I pretty meant exactly that, it's a crutch statement to lean on in case.

 

[The30YardSlant]

What do you want him to say? "I'd be deeply depressed if my team succeeds and proves me wrong"?

 

[rcaldw]

What do you want him to say? "I'd be deeply depressed if my team succeeds and proves me wrong"?

Don't you know Hos is the final word? I meant whatever he says I meant

 

[dreghorn2]

Don't you know Hos is the final word? I meant whatever he says I meant

Sadly on too many threads that is indeed the case.

 

[Dallas]

Sadly on too many threads that is indeed the case.

Hahahah !!!


What a crazy post. Hos is not and never has been the final say in any thread unless it's against site policy. What I see most times is his valid points and the OP spinning in a little bowl trying to get out to only then either get mad or never post again in the thread. That happens on a lot of occasions. You can't blame Hos because he usually has a good argument and folks run off and don't reply. I guess that could be seen as having the last word. :laugh2:

You don't know the guy from Adam but you pull this nonsense out from nowhere. Pretty silly.

Be fortunate we have an admin like Hostile for this site. It could be SOOO much worse.

CBZ will still be here when you are gone.

 

[rcaldw]

No, I pretty meant exactly that, it's a crutch statement to lean on in case.

Why do I need a crutch? If the Cowboys win, I'm happy, I'm a Cowboys fan. If I'm right, and Jerry's way isn't productive, then, whether you believer it or not, I'm disappointed.

I would rather be wrong and our team win. But I'm not going to lie or just play along and act like I believe him as GM, injury update guy, game plan input guy, stadium design guy, stadium event promoter guy, etc, etc, etc, is the best thing for the Cowboys. I don't.

And I don't understand why an opinion that his way is not the right way puts me in conflict with wanting the team to be successful?

You can love something and believe it is on the wrong road. If you discover you were wrong about it, it doesn't depress you, it actually makes you happy, if your main desire was to see it succeed. (That is, you really do love it)

If you can't understand that, I can't help it. I have ZERO, and I mean ZERO personal emotion invested in being right on a fan forum.

 

[dreghorn2]

Ehh.. i regretted it almost as soon as i hit the post button.

Maybe i hold moderators to a higher standard but it seems that anyone with 'negative' Cowboy discussions or points of view get the "Art' treatment.

The world is a big place and everyone is different. This site has grown considerably the last couple of years, and yes, some of the rhetoric gets 'over the top', but it feels like anyone criticizing any aspect of Cowboys gets a real attitude from some here.

I've noticed a few of the old posters, who were quite knowledgeable, but may have been 'critical' re: Jerry or Garrett etc.. no longer post as often, i'm concerned they got tired of being beaten up.

Heck i'm raving but what got me was the crutch comment. I thought that was very unfair. People can have legit concerns over the direction of the team, but still want them to succeed. Most of us would not want the Cowboys to lose just to say .. Look i was right!!

I read other threads where comments and cracks are made about the 'realists', basically nothing more than thinly disguised mocking and criticism that lumps all critics into one group.

I feel that a lot of good potential posters are lost prefering not to be subjected to heckling.

Anyway i apologize if i offended anyone. And i certainly do hope the Zone is here long after i am gone.

 

[dreghorn2]

If you can't understand that, I can't help it. I have ZERO, and I mean ZERO personal emotion invested in being right on a fan forum.
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I think there a lot of people that read and post here that feel the same way.

However they are not treated as such.

 

[rcaldw]

If you can't understand that, I can't help it. I have ZERO, and I mean ZERO personal emotion invested in being right on a fan forum.
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I think there a lot of people that read and post here that feel the same way.

However they are not treated as such.

I have to agree with you Rockwood.

 

[Hostile]

Don't you know Hos is the final word? I meant whatever he says I meant

No, Hos is just too honest for some people.

 

[Dallas]

No, Hos is just too honest for some people.

No last word for you, sir.


NOPE - not gonna happen.

 

[Hostile]

Why do I need a crutch? If the Cowboys win, I'm happy, I'm a Cowboys fan. If I'm right, and Jerry's way isn't productive, then, whether you believer it or not, I'm disappointed.

I would rather be wrong and our team win. But I'm not going to lie or just play along and act like I believe him as GM, injury update guy, game plan input guy, stadium design guy, stadium event promoter guy, etc, etc, etc, is the best thing for the Cowboys. I don't.

And I don't understand why an opinion that his way is not the right way puts me in conflict with wanting the team to be successful?

You can love something and believe it is on the wrong road. If you discover you were wrong about it, it doesn't depress you, it actually makes you happy, if your main desire was to see it succeed. (That is, you really do love it)

If you can't understand that, I can't help it. I have ZERO, and I mean ZERO personal emotion invested in being right on a fan forum.

Who said I was talking about you? I am talking about the statement, "I hope I am wrong." That statement is a fail safe crutch.

 

[Hostile]

Ehh.. i regretted it almost as soon as i hit the post button.

Maybe i hold moderators to a higher standard but it seems that anyone with 'negative' Cowboy discussions or points of view get the "Art' treatment.

That is a load of crap. At no time has any Moderator on this site publicly threatened to ban anyone for their opinion. Not positive or negative. The Mods here work behind the scenes, taking things to PMs. On the forums they are posters just like anyone else.

The world is a big place and everyone is different. This site has grown considerably the last couple of years, and yes, some of the rhetoric gets 'over the top', but it feels like anyone criticizing any aspect of Cowboys gets a real attitude from some here.

I have never understood why this is so shocking. Go to any fan forum for any sport and post "it's over" 2 minutes into a game and see what kind of responses it elicits. For the most part fans do not appreciate constant negative crap about their teams.

I've noticed a few of the old posters, who were quite knowledgeable, but may have been 'critical' re: Jerry or Garrett etc.. no longer post as often, i'm concerned they got tired of being beaten up.

I would be interested in who they are. I can name at least that many who quit posting because people were so negative all the time.

We can't please everyone. It is impossible.

Heck i'm raving but what got me was the crutch comment. I thought that was very unfair. People can have legit concerns over the direction of the team, but still want them to succeed. Most of us would not want the Cowboys to lose just to say .. Look i was right!!

If you're not guilty of using it as a crutch why should it upset you? I've used that comment too. Almost everyone has. Does that in any way change the fact it is used as a crutch? No.

I read other threads where comments and cracks are made about the 'realists', basically nothing more than thinly disguised mocking and criticism that lumps all critics into one group.

But you don't see any of the sunshine crowd, koolaid drinking, pom pom shaking, homer cracks?

Okay.

I feel that a lot of good potential posters are lost prefering not to be subjected to heckling.

Anyway i apologize if i offended anyone. And i certainly do hope the Zone is here long after i am gone.

I'm not. Leaving is your choice. No one is forcing you out any doors.