What is wrong with tanking?

[OmerV]

Yep,
I think it was even written somewhere that Jimmy was a Mandarich fan initially but Norv may have influenced him on how that history setting decision went down. As you say, as the years pass the memory can add or take away from certain contextual portions of stories. Kinda like that childhood parody of a lengthy line of students starting out a secret and whispering it into the ear of another but by the time it reaches the last kid in line the last kids version of what he/she has been whispered is quite different from the original.
But to include Jerry as anything other than the man who purchased the team and hired Johnson is where I kinda draw the line in giving him the fifty percent credit for success that your comments imply.

Just my opinion though,

Everybody's got one

I'm not sure I ever knew Jimmy was a Mandarich fan - not that I'm doubting you. That doesn't seem implausible to me given that Jimmy was unsure enough about Aikman that he also took Walsh in the supplemental draft. But it wasn't Norv that would have changed Jimmy's mind because Norv wasn't yet with the Cowboys when Aikman was drafted.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

There has been several sports specials on the 90’s Cowboys and Johnson explained everything when talking about the Walker trade. I thought it was common knowledge, but apparently not. I am sure that it is in YouTube , but I am not going to sift through all of the videos to prove a point . It looks like there are several posters that have seen these interviews. Johnson explained the trade a little in a Dan Patrick interview. He doesn’t go in depth like other interviews, but he mentions cutting several players to get the draft picks.

Ah...I see. So it's SO prevalent and known that you couldn't actually expend a little resource as to what YOU are referencing.

Look...I think I remember a few things about it. I'm probably more on YOUR side than not. But for the life of me I can't figure out why people would spend SO much time POSTING about it (post after post after post) and so little time showing legitimate references. SO that we're all looking at the same things.

Oh well..it's the internet. What can ya do?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

on another note, the duck hunting was outstanding this morning. labs are resting by the fire. i'm field dressing ducks.

So like this?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Look at you Gimmetheball, 17 pages and counting, as much pounding as you take you hang in there and this forum shows that they are capable of some love.
You ole thick skin croc.. good job!

I'm not not sure gimme should get ALL the credit.

Lot's of other people are to blame as well.

 

[Typhus]

I'm not not sure gimme should get ALL the credit.

Lot's of other people are to blame as well.

ha,, very true

 

[75boyz]

I'm not sure I ever knew Jimmy was a Mandarich fan - not that I'm doubting you. That doesn't seem implausible to me given that Jimmy was unsure enough about Aikman that he also took Walsh in the supplemental draft. But it wasn't Norv that would have changed Jimmy's mind because Norv wasn't yet with the Cowboys when Aikman was drafted.

Yep,
Cern corrected me on that one. I was wrong in thinking it had been in Jimmy's book as someone whom I thought was Norv who may have had influence on the final decision

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Yes. Theres a chance!

Garrett Gilbert will beat Rodgers/Brady or Brees in round one.

Easily take out Wilson in the NFC CG....

Then make Mahomes look silly in the SB.

Well, I'm not saying it's a good chance. I'm just saying you never know. I don't think the 2011 NYG were the best in the NFL. I think they just happened to be unbelievably lucky that year. Maybe we catch a bit of luck?

 

[RonnieT24]

This is something I've never heard. As for walsh, he gave up a 1st round pick for him and got a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in trade. Good business.

Yes the Walsh thing worked out well for Jimmy.. but that was absolutely NOT his intended purpose. The quote he made about Aikman is little reported. And Jimmy sure as hell aint gonna highlight it. But a lot of the old beat guys remember it.. I could almost believe Jimmy was playing games to see if anyone would give him a haul for the pick.. but at that point in his career I don't think he understood the NFL that well and certainly nobody in the league was going to be doing him any favors. Not only because he coached the Cowboys but also because he was a jerk..

 

[kskboys]

Well, I'm not saying it's a good chance. I'm just saying you never know. I don't think the 2011 NYG were the best in the NFL. I think they just happened to be unbelievably lucky that year. Maybe we catch a bit of luck?

That "luck" requires a big nasty DLine w/ a stalwart in the middle. That was the great equalizer for the Giants.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

That "luck" requires a big nasty DLine w/ a stalwart in the middle. That was the great equalizer for the Giants.

Good point

 

[cern]

Yes the Walsh thing worked out well for Jimmy.. but that was absolutely NOT his intended purpose. The quote he made about Aikman is little reported. And Jimmy sure as hell aint gonna highlight it. But a lot of the old beat guys remember it.. I could almost believe Jimmy was playing games to see if anyone would give him a haul for the pick.. but at that point in his career I don't think he understood the NFL that well and certainly nobody in the league was going to be doing him any favors. Not only because he coached the Cowboys but also because he was a jerk..

For a guy that didn't understand the nfl that well, he created the draft value analysis chart before his first draft. It remains the standard to this day.

 

[cern]

Totally my bad on that then Cern. Thought it was in Jimmy's book that someone(I thought Norv) kinda talked him out of picking Mandarich. Totally my bad on thinking it was Norv.

Tex, jerry, and jimmy all wanted troy. I've never heard otherwise. The other option was to stay with steve pelleur. Troy made perfect sense.

 

[32BellyOption]

I don't think Miami tanked they did a rebuild, they aquired draft capitol while trading players who were up for a contract for that draft capitol...but if you watched the games last year they absolutley played for that coach and starting competing at the end. They evaluated the talent that was still there to see who to keep and played the best players they had at every position.....Miami wasn't injured they were just bad and did a great job at starting a rebuild....tanking would be benching all your starters for the second half of the season to purposley move up in the draft, Miami didn't do that.

Dallas isn't tanking..THEY ARE VERY INJURED...most teams don't win with the injuries we have especially at the positions we have them. If your hoping for a rebuild then your going to be disappointed as we have not done anything for draft capitol nor have we started unloading any contracts. This FO believes (right or wrong yet to be seen) we have the core to win now, nothing they have done shows us otherwise. If Dalton comes back out there then that will let you know they still think they can win this year.....I know thats ridiculous but with this division..meh. If by the grace of god they draft heavy for middle defense players they could be right about fixing this thing soon.

Solid post and I agree. That Jimmy coached team was beyond horrible. A complete rebuild was necessary and I’m not sure there was much of a difference between our 1st string and 3rd string. Not the case now as you stated if the front office believed so there would have been big contracts unloaded at the trade deadline. Get healthy, draft defense, and have a full off season of mini camps and pre season games and then let’s evaluate after next season.

 

[dckid]

Quitting is never right....IMO

Don't fool yourself. Jerry quit after he won his third Super Bowl. In his own mind.. (and trust that it truly is only in his own mind) he won without Jimmy. Nothing to prove from his perspective. He has the fanbase on a string, dying to be America's team again.
We are nothing but a name from yesterday.
All of previous success means nothing. When you face reality we are in the Detroit, Washington & Dallas group. The three Suckateers.

 

[cern]

Don't fool yourself. Jerry quit after he won his third Super Bowl. In his own mind.. (and trust that it truly is only in his own mind) he won without Jimmy. Nothing to prove from his perspective. He has the fanbase on a string, dying to be America's team again.
We are nothing but a name from yesterday.
All of previous success means nothing. When you face reality we are in the Detroit, Washington & Dallas group. The three Suckateers.

can we vote on your assessment? i say nay. trigger says neigh.

 

[Ranching]

Don't fool yourself. Jerry quit after he won his third Super Bowl. In his own mind.. (and trust that it truly is only in his own mind) he won without Jimmy. Nothing to prove from his perspective. He has the fanbase on a string, dying to be America's team again.
We are nothing but a name from yesterday.
All of previous success means nothing. When you face reality we are in the Detroit, Washington & Dallas group. The three Suckateers.

Jerry's from Arkansas. We don't quit at football in Texas.........no offense to the other 49 states.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Jerry's from Arkansas. We don't quit at football in Texas.........no offense to the other 49 states.

I mean are you sure you want to include ALL the other 49 states Ranch? surely your cool with offending some of them.....I mean i could help you with the list

 

[Ranching]

I mean are you sure you want to include ALL the other 49 states Ranch? surely your cool with offending some of them.....I mean i could help you with the list

Let's see how many people take me seriously!!!

 

[cern]

So like this?

that's a goose , not a duck. geese taste like crud. ducks are succulent.

 

[cern]

Jerry's from Arkansas. We don't quit at football in Texas.........no offense to the other 49 states.

i remember the days of the old southwest conference. arkansas and frank broyles. texas and coach royal.