What options do Cowboys have to move on from Prescott?

[charron]

Until no one wants to play for you because you dont pay players.

Until you let a good bus driver go, gets picked up by your Conference rival and beats you twice a year.

Over paying players is an issue...over paying for Dak is not an issue.

Nothing you can say can quantify Dak's "clutch" issue. Posters who do...rely on team stats and not individual stats.

Owners are going to have to let GM's trail blaze to do what all this propaganda suggests. I just find it funny that we are 15 years into solid internet sports message boards screaming for your way of thinking...yet real GM's are still doing the opposite.

Egg on your face is worse to these owners than playing the safe bet. Blame them, not me. I just understand where they are coming from. Most are trying to play the numbers game not trailblaze. Go to a casino and get laughed at for playing reckless...think about owning a Billion Dollar Company.

Youre all trailblazers with nothing to lose. The owners and GM's have a lot to lose.

Most of today's players play for money not live of the game. So if a player wants more money than you are willing to pay let them leave that's a good thing. Keeping a player at all cost is a bad mentality to have in a cap league.

Not sure why you brought up Dak being clutch, he's not.

It's not trailblazing to point out what most teams do isn't working a majority of the time. It's way to common for a team to pay a QB huge money and regret it almost instantly.

The cowboys paid Dak and still have egg on their face for doing so. The difference is they wouldn't be painted into a corner without an escape plan as they are right now.

On this we agree that's how they operate. They only want relevance. Fans want them to take a little more calculated risk. They want stability we want a ring.

 

[FanofJerry]

Most of today's players play for money not live of the game. So if a player wants more money than you are willing to pay let them leave that's a good thing. Keeping a player at all cost is a bad mentality to have in a cap league.

Not sure why you brought up Dak being clutch, he's not.

It's not trailblazing to point out what most teams do isn't working a majority of the time. It's way to common for a team to pay a QB huge money and regret it almost instantly.

The cowboys paid Dak and still have egg on their face for doing so. The difference is they wouldn't be painted into a corner without an escape plan as they are right now.

On this we agree that's how they operate. They only want relevance. Fans want them to take a little more calculated risk. They want stability we want a ring.

You have nothing to lose for taking the risk.

Most GM's do what Jerry does...so dont waste your time with the "Jerry cant get fired" argument.

Your post and stance is lacking taking into account WHAT"S AT STAKE for GM's who do take the risk and fail.

No GM is keeping their job if you kick one of the best producing regular season QB's, face of the franchise, locker room leader to the curb for a risk. That QB goes to a division rival, beats your twice a year, makes playoffs and you dont or wins a Super Bowl...all the Billionaires are laughing at you while your fan bas thinks youre the stupidest person in the World.

You dont want to talk about it. You want to play fantasy.

Lets play this game:

You've worked for 25 years trying to get a GM position. You have 3 or 4 kids and a wife. They've put up with your long hours and decent pay...you finally got the big job...Million dollar+ per year GM gig. Your wife is the happiest she has ever been. You can shower your kids with the perks and money provided from your plush gig. Life is good. And you want to risk all that and your 25 year reputation by canning Dak Prescott?

LOL

Id consider divorcing you honestly.


Let your family get a taste of the good life, teased them with it for a year or two and then threw it all away over some incredibly stupid QB trailblazing ideology.

If Dak was a turnover machine and threw a bunch of bad balls, wasnt a locker room leader, had off field baggage...maybe. But the lack of turnovers and numbers the guy produces...only liars talk about getting rid of the guy.

 

[khiladi]

The time for "all in" was when Dak was still on his rookie deal. That was the window. If they were serious about making a SB run it should have been then. Instead they did nothing but say they liked their guys and kept at it.

They thought they could win with Dak and the talent they had, based on 13-3. Zeke got suspended and Dak was sucking it up. They thought he was forcing the ball too much because of Dez, so they went “Dak friendly”. Then they had to make a move for Cooper.

The QB in training experiment with Dak has been a failure.. they wasted that shirt window with that DOMINANT OL, which included a healthy Frederick at Center..

 

[khiladi]

They should let Dak play out his contract with this mediocre roster, as he’s rightfully earned it…. So we can see him with his “real” ability to lead this team and elevate the talent around him to prove the nay-sayers wrong.. he deserves it

 

[gimmesix]

Dak wasn’t going to be MVP of anything.

He was 2nd team All Pro.

But they only count the 1st team.

He finally made a Pro Bowl, his first since 2018.

Of course, he destroyed the playoff game again.

That doesn't change that he was second among all other choices in MVP voting and second among all other choices for All-Pro. We may want to make those things meaningless because of the playoff game, but I don't think the front office views them that way.

I don't know why our fans feel it necessary to demean our players' individual accomplishments just because we came up short of what we want. I'm not the biggest Dak fan, but I see no reason to downplay how he played during the regular season. As I've said, I can live with moving on from him, just as I could have with McCarthy, but I don't think it is realistic to expect Dallas to do that. Most teams with a player who was second in MVP voting and second-team All-Pro would not.

 

[gimmesix]

They should let Dak play out his contract with this mediocre roster, as he’s rightfully earned it…. So we can see him with his “real” ability to lead this team and elevate the talent around him to prove the nay-sayers wrong.. he deserves it

I can't see that happening because of the almost $60 million cap hit this year. They will either move non-guaranteed base into the void years to reduce that hit or extend him to reduce that hit. Most likely, as they've said, they want to extend him. Of course, it's possible that Dak may ask for an unreasonable amount and they have no choice but to push money into his void years if they want to keep him.

 

[charron]

You have nothing to lose for taking the risk.

Most GM's do what Jerry does...so dont waste your time with the "Jerry cant get fired" argument.

Your post and stance is lacking taking into account WHAT"S AT STAKE for GM's who do take the risk and fail.

No GM is keeping their job if you kick one of the best producing regular season QB's, face of the franchise, locker room leader to the curb for a risk. That QB goes to a division rival, beats your twice a year, makes playoffs and you dont or wins a Super Bowl...all the Billionaires are laughing at you while your fan bas thinks youre the stupidest person in the World.

You dont want to talk about it. You want to play fantasy.

Lets play this game:

You've worked for 25 years trying to get a GM position. You have 3 or 4 kids and a wife. They've put up with your long hours and decent pay...you finally got the big job...Million dollar+ per year GM gig. Your wife is the happiest she has ever been. You can shower your kids with the perks and money provided from your plush gig. Life is good. And you want to risk all that and your 25 year reputation by canning Dak Prescott?

LOL

Id consider divorcing you honestly.


Let your family get a taste of the good life, teased them with it for a year or two and then threw it all away over some incredibly stupid QB trailblazing ideology.

If Dak was a turnover machine and threw a bunch of bad balls, wasnt a locker room leader, had off field baggage...maybe. But the lack of turnovers and numbers the guy produces...only liars talk about getting rid of the guy.

Fearing what may be at stake is a cowards take 100%. Jerry built his cowboys empire on sb wins 30 years ago but he has maintained dominance in the sports world on marketing. So telling me he could have a down year because they choose to build a really good team by not overpaying good players is in my opinion dumb. He didn't lose market share in the Campo years or the 8-8 Garret years. Yes they are more exciting when in contention and they can stay in contention longer by building a better team. Every time they pay a QB big money they say the same thing, we need to build around him. I only offer a better way to do it because the model they use hasn't worked.

 

[FanofJerry]

Fearing what may be at stake is a cowards take 100%. Jerry built his cowboys empire on sb wins 30 years ago but he has maintained dominance in the sports world on marketing. So telling me he could have a down year because they choose to build a really good team by not overpaying good players is in my opinion dumb. He didn't lose market share in the Campo years or the 8-8 Garret years. Yes they are more exciting when in contention and they can stay in contention longer by building a better team. Every time they pay a QB big money they say the same thing, we need to build around him. I only offer a better way to do it because the model they use hasn't worked.

You dont want to talk about the 10 very very very bad QB's fans had to watch between Aikman and Romo do you?

You want to claim that its Dallas' fault for not drafting a Mahommes. As if its some easy task.

You dont want to talk about anything that makes sense to decision makers who have emotions.

Are you saying that you would can Mahommes if he had 3 non-Super Bowl seasons in a row because "he aint getting it done anymore".

None of these "Fire Dak" posts seem to make any sense and when reasonable posters provide counter arguments..."Fire Dak" posters seem to use the same team stats to trash an individual player. They use unquantifiable intangibles as reasons to fire an individual player in a team game.

Its just constant Trailblaze talk while sidestepping ramifications if that Trailblazing goes wrong.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Fearing what may be at stake is a cowards take 100%. Jerry built his cowboys empire on sb wins 30 years ago but he has maintained dominance in the sports world on marketing. So telling me he could have a down year because they choose to build a really good team by not overpaying good players is in my opinion dumb. He didn't lose market share in the Campo years or the 8-8 Garret years. Yes they are more exciting when in contention and they can stay in contention longer by building a better team. Every time they pay a QB big money they say the same thing, we need to build around him. I only offer a better way to do it because the model they use hasn't worked.

The beauty is that the Cowboys have fans that love and hate them. Generally the hate is enough to get eyeballs on screens. The more eyeballs the better for the brand. But if eyeballs are all you care about then does it matter the eyeball is attached to someone who loves or hates the Cowboys?

 

[McKDaddy]

So many of you perfectly willing to continue on with a QB who has virtually zero chance of getting you a championship. Mind blowing. But hey, enjoy your failure.

 

[McKDaddy]

Are you saying that you would can Mahommes if he had 3 non-Super Bowl seasons in a row because "he aint getting it done anymore".

No, because Mahomes displays his talent every game. Then you would be justified to look at what else you could do to put better talent around him.

while sidestepping ramifications if that Trailblazing goes wrong.

There are no ramifications. Failure to advance past the first playoff game is failure regardless of who is playing QB. When a guy has proven no ability to handle the big game you are losing nothing by looking elsewhere.

 

[charron]

The beauty is that the Cowboys have fans that love and hate them. Generally the hate is enough to get eyeballs on screens. The more eyeballs the better for the brand. But if eyeballs are all you care about then does it matter the eyeball is attached to someone who loves or hates the Cowboys?

jerry don't care

 

[FanofJerry]

No, because Mahomes displays his talent every game. Then you would be justified to look at what else you could do to put better talent around him.

There are no ramifications. Failure to advance past the first playoff game is failure regardless of who is playing QB. When a guy has proven no ability to handle the big game you are losing nothing by looking elsewhere.

Youre side stepping the 10 bad QB's Dallas had to watch in search of a decent QB.

Posters are assuming they can do it in a quicker fashion.

Posters are not explaining how they will pay a QB who's agent is going after the Max if this rookie contract QB shows promise but hasnt won anything yet come contract time.

Posters are assuming Mahommes' grow on trees and scouting departments are bad at their jobs for not finding one as quickly as they could.

Posters are not considering Locker room issues if a FO is not paying and letting decent QB's go because they arent "Mahommes".

Posters are putting way to much blame on one Player without considering other issues in a team game with Coaching and 3 facets of the game that effect game outcome.

Posters want to pay as little as possible for a QB but would do what Dak is doing if in Dak's shoes.

Posters are jumping ship to a new team that pays better if they can.

Posters are not taking discounts from their jobs for the sake of the company.

Posters cant handle it that no GM in the league is trading or letting Dak go...and neither would they if they were GM and could get fired for the decision.

Posters dont want to talk about anything but QB because its all fake and they go for low hanging fruit for shock value.

Posters are unreasonable.

 

[Chasing6]

Just by reading the comments I realize why we are stuck in mediocrity...

Some people are afraid of rebuilding.

I can guarantee one thing, if Dak remains our QB, our SB drought will remain for however long he is around.

In 8 years, we have seen no indication from him that he can beat 4 good teams in a row. It has NEVER happened.

Playing the odds and numbers games, we have a higher probability of drafting a Hof QB than Dak has of winning a SB.

Well how many years in a row has Jeruh lost since the salary cap?

 

[Coogiguy03]

If we transition to just anyone, do yall really expect Ceedee to stay?

he can be replaced

 

[FanofJerry]

There is only two scenarios where Im ok with letting Dak go:

1) He and his agent are being unreasonable during contract negotiations

2) I have substantial evidence from multiple coaches, consultants, film showing Dak has major flaws that FAR outweigh he and his agents demands

Unfortunately #2 is private information and no one on this board can convince me they know FOR A FACT that the offense game plan is dumbed down to an unacceptable level because of Dak or that Dak has major flaws to his in game play.

Only thing posters rely on is No Super Bowl. They say the game plan is dumbed down. Prove it. Show me your convo with McCarthy. Show me your Dallas Cowboys Offensive Playbook and then show me what pages had to be ripped out....that you personally had to rip out because you tried to explain to Dak this scheme and Dak couldnt understand it. Show me...dont tell me. Prove your comments. You cant.

Prove your comments.

 

[McKDaddy]

Youre side stepping the 10 bad QB's Dallas had to watch in search of a decent QB.

Posters are assuming they can do it in a quicker fashion.

Posters are not explaining how they will pay a QB who's agent is going after the Max if this rookie contract QB shows promise but hasnt won anything yet come contract time.

Posters are assuming Mahommes' grow on trees and scouting departments are bad at their jobs for not finding one as quickly as they could.

Posters are not considering Locker room issues if a FO is not paying and letting decent QB's go because they arent "Mahommes".

Posters are putting way to much blame on one Player without considering other issues in a team game with Coaching and 3 facets of the game that effect game outcome.

Posters want to pay as little as possible for a QB but would do what Dak is doing if in Dak's shoes.

Posters are jumping ship to a new team that pays better if they can.

Posters are not taking discounts from their jobs for the sake of the company.

Posters are unreasonable.

No one is side stepping anything. I haven't seen a single poster guarantee you would immediately get the QB you want or need. But it's unreasonable to not try.

No one has said Dak is the ONLY problem but all reasonable posters have said he is the single player, playing the most important position who is has proven he is unable to do his job at the level needed to compete for a championship.

Dak isn't giving a discount if he takes less. He's still going to be vastly overpaid for his talents. Older QB's who have proven themselves unworthy shouldn't be getting anywhere near top pay regardless of "next man up" philosophy that agents like to spout. That's just common sense. It's not a Dak specific thing. Teams are starting to wake up about giving middling QB's top dollar, fully guaranteed, etc., contracts. There is about to be a correction in the market place.

Watching a QB, say Jake Browning, start a playoff game for us would at least be intriguing. I wouldn't know going in that he was going to fail. Even if he fails, at his salary & contract conditions, I would have hope we could perhaps get it right going forward. Whether that means putting better team around him or moving on from him.

You mention side stepping. Why is it that any other position can be evaluated by what they have done on the field and fans are completely fine with saying "We have to move on from that guy". But are completely scared to risk change even when they acknowledge the QB hasn't really earned "We can win with this guy" confidence?

 

[Chasing6]

Just by reading the comments I realize why we are stuck in mediocrity...

Some people are afraid of rebuilding.

I can guarantee one thing, if Dak remains our QB, our SB drought will remain for however long he is around.

In 8 years, we have seen no indication from him that he can beat 4 good teams in a row. It has NEVER happened.

Playing the odds and numbers games, we have a higher probability of drafting a Hof QB than Dak has of winning a SB.

I guarantee 1 thing if Lance is our QB we will be 3-14.

 

[McKDaddy]

I guarantee 1 thing if Lance is our QB we will be 3-14.

And that is completely fine as it helps accelerate the opportunity to churn the roster.

 

[Chasing6]

And that is completely fine as it helps accelerate the opportunity to churn the roster.

Good thing you are not Jerry Jones.