What will it take for Dez to overtake Megatron?

[Modus]

Calvin Johnson receives Randy Moss coverage every game and puts up insane stats. He beats double and triple coverage on the regular...

Randy Moss is also a monster at his position. DB's and WR's who meet their average size and weight for their position don't necessarily see that type of coverage. It's a necessity to either be able to outnumber or outmaneuver your opposition. Then, there are some people that you just can't realistically create a situation where you can stop them... only minimize the damage.

Calvin Johnson Jr. is one such entity. Michael Vick was one such entity. Adrian Peterson is such an entity.

Doesn't mean Johnson is better than Bryant. Bryant's physical stature is more easily managed. Not necessarily his skill set... but his physical presence. He's a whole lot easier to knock down than Megatron is. That's really the bottom line.

 

[perrykemp]

We've seen the best Calvin Johnson.

Megatron has 122 catches for an NFL record 1964 yards. His best in terms of yards is only the best in the entire history of the NFL.

 

[Modus]

Megatron has 122 catches for an NFL record 1964 yards. His best in terms of yards is only the best in the entire history of the NFL.

LOL... statistics aren't always indicative of how good you are. Emmitt Smith leads all NFL RB's in rushing yards but I'll be damned if he's the best one ever. And I am a hardcore Cowboys fan...

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I don't know if he can, the Detroit offense runs through Calvin ours is much more balanced.

 

[ware1manarmy]

I'd make that trade in a second. I'd bet every GM in the league would with the exception of ours.

where I disagree is Dez is younger and cheaper and I think that would play a part in that trade but I am not saying Dez is better but a very elite talent that will cost less and should have more years in the tank and the heart Dez plays with is unmatched by any reciever

 

[perrykemp]

Between Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant... hmmm...

I believe it's Dez Bryant, hands down. Bryant plays a LOT BIGGER than he is. While, Johnson HAS to play to his size to be effective. It's easy for a 6'5" 230 lbs. receiver to manhandle someone who gives up around 8 inches and 50 pounds. But, Bryant... he can match up better on a more level playing field and just muscle whoever he lines up against.

I feel like there is more than Megatron HAS to do against his opponent than Bryant DOESN'T NEED to do. Megatron can manhandle. Bryant just stands up and goes about his business... and the fact of the matter is... you expect the big and bad man to act accordingly. Nobody sees the smaller man winning the physical battle. And, that's what Bryant demonstrates in the comparison.

Thats essentially a pound for pound comparison. If you go that route -- Wes Welker is the best WR in history -- pound for pound and inch for inch.

 

[AsthmaField]

IMO Bryant has better hand eye coordination, better body control, better acceleration, better change of direction, and better hands. In other words, he's a better, more natural receiver than Johnson is.

He also is a more aggressive player and (IMO) has more passion for the game. Dez absolutely loves every aspect of football. From practice, the locker room, the interviews, to the game itself.

What Johnson has better is straight line speed, height (reach) and experience. Plus he has an offense and a QB that gives him a ton of chances every game.

Johnson's speed and height advantage is very, very difficult for defenses to overcome, and as I mentioned, the Lions are going to work non-stop to get the ball in Johnson's hands. Therefore, the guy is going to put up eye-popping numbers every year.

However, Dez is better than him in many aspects and if Dallas threw to him like Detroit throws to Calvin, he would have similar stats. The only WR who I have seen who can high-point the ball like Dez and who has hands like Dez is Randy Moss. He is phenomenal at going up for the ball and if he can get his hands on it, he usually catches it. Dez might be the strongest WR I've seen. If he isn't, he's close, and as young as he still is, he will get even stronger still.

I realize I'm biased... but I think Dez is the most talented WR in the league. Not just tall and fast... but quick, has great game speed, has amazing hands and coordination, has terrific strength, passion, aggression, and is as competitive as anyone I've ever seen. Plus, he is pretty tall in his own right... he just isn't as tall as CJ. Put all of that together and if you add health and complete understanding of the offense, and frankly I don't know how defenses can stop the guy.

I know many will disagree, but that's how I see it.

 

[perrykemp]

I don't know if he can, the Detroit offense runs through Calvin ours is much more balanced.

Except last year when it wasn't..... and oddly enough Romo nearly put up 5000 yards just like Stafford.

 

[Modus]

Thats essentially a pound for pound comparison. If you go that route -- Wes Welker is the best WR in history -- pound for pound and inch for inch.

I'll buy that. Size doesn't equate to success. I'm in complete agreement. In terms of ability, I don't think he's in the elite echelon of talent. However, he gets it done week in and week out. So, I'm with you. He gets the job done. Bottom line.

 

[The Quest for Six]

why does it matter to you anyway, rather have a great offensive line over a top receiver any day!!!

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I wasn't referring to the OP, heck I didn't even quote him ... It's widely known that Calvin Johnson is the best WR in the league, but on these forum you have some people saying, "Dez has Calvin in most other categories and is the more dangerous receiver overall." So if they think Dez is better then Calvin, then it's very obvious they think Dez is above those other guys ... Well it's obvious to me at least.

Actually, you did quote him. You used the word overtake. You even put it in quotations.

 

[dstovall5]

Actually, you did quote him. You used the word overtake. You even put it in quotations.

And now you're just trying to be an ***, for whatever reason I honestly don't know. I quoted the title, but meh if you want to nitpick than go ahead. I guess you're mad that you were wrong in your other post?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I believe Calvin Johnson is just better.

Well to properly answer his question, a leg amputation for Calvin Johnson. Or even a growth spurt for Dez (3-4 inches atleast)

 

[Manwiththeplan]

exactly. people drool over lebron's athleticism, just like calvin johnson's.

That doesn't translate to being the best at your respective position. It translates to you being the most athletic at your position.

People overrate athletes constantly based on their physical attributes.

this argument would likely be better received if u didn't use the best basketball player currently to say athleticism is over rated

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I think he will be a better, more dangerous receiver than Johnson THIS year. So yes, I do. As Garrett said, Dez is only scratching the surface. Calvin is maxed out. And he won't sniff 2,000 again. I'd be surprised if he sniffed 1,600 again.

Why do u keep saying Calvin is maxed out? He'll be 28 in late September, to assume he won't get any better, barring injury, really makes no sense. To assume he won't even play at the same level for several more season, barring injury, is idiotic.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I quoted the title, but meh if you want to nitpick than go ahead. I guess you're mad that you were wrong in your other post?

I'm merely trying to understand why you felt the need to bring in other receivers, given context of the OP's question. It's almost like, to avoid the homer label, one is compelled to underrate the team's talent. And, yes, there are plenty of posters who are just as likely to overrate the Cowboys talent, but the OP didn't do that. Here's the deal: Dez is very good. Even Chris Carter acknowledged Dez might have more potential than any receiver in the league. We don't need to acknowledge the greatness of other receivers to have an honest discussion about Dez.

As far as me being "mad" about being wrong in my other post, you're going to have to be more specific. What other post? I'm wrong in a lot of posts.

 

[dstovall5]

IMO Bryant has better hand eye coordination, better body control, better acceleration, better change of direction, and better hands. In other words, he's a better, more natural receiver than Johnson is.

Dez does have better acceleration and better change of direction, but it's not by much. Dez should be better at both of those though, especially since he's 14 lbs lighter and 3 inches shorter. To say Dez has better "hand eye coordination", and better "hands" is quite a bit of a stretch though. Dez had a 10.68% drop rate, while compared to Calvin's 10.29% drop rate. For comparison Welker's drop rate was 11.28% last year.

He also is a more aggressive player and (IMO) has more passion for the game. Dez absolutely loves every aspect of football. From practice, the locker room, the interviews, to the game itself.

This is stuff that irks me, obvious cowboy bias coming out for Dez.

What Johnson has better is straight line speed, height (reach) and experience. Plus he has an offense and a QB that gives him a ton of chances every game.

You're right, Calvin has a faster 40 time by almost .2 seconds, and he also has a higher vertical by 4 inches.

Johnson's speed and height advantage is very, very difficult for defenses to overcome, and as I mentioned, the Lions are going to work non-stop to get the ball in Johnson's hands. Therefore, the guy is going to put up eye-popping numbers every year.

However, Dez is better than him in many aspects and if Dallas threw to him like Detroit throws to Calvin, he would have similar stats. The only WR who I have seen who can high-point the ball like Dez and who has hands like Dez is Randy Moss. He is phenomenal at going up for the ball and if he can get his hands on it, he usually catches it. Dez might be the strongest WR I've seen. If he isn't, he's close, and as young as he still is, he will get even stronger still.

Please explain these "aspects", because that's simply not true. Your bias is coming off very strongly. I'm sure Calvin would love to have the weapons Dez has to pull some of the coverage off, and he for sure would love to have Tony Romo throwing him the ball ... accurately. Dez does go up to get the ball great, but I think you're over exaggerating this a bit, same with his strength.

I realize I'm biased... but I think Dez is the most talented WR in the league. Not just tall and fast... but quick, has great game speed, has amazing hands and coordination, has terrific strength, passion, aggression, and is as competitive as anyone I've ever seen. Plus, he is pretty tall in his own right... he just isn't as tall as CJ. Put all of that together and if you add health and complete understanding of the offense, and frankly I don't know how defenses can stop the guy.

Can't argue with none of that, Dez definitly is one of the top talents in this league and if he continues to keep his head on right he'll be a nightmare for opposing defenses.

I realize I'm biased...

You think?

 

[jobberone]

We can only hope so.

 

[Avery]

Winning a couple of SB's will help.

 

[AsthmaField]

Dez does have better acceleration and better change of direction, but it's not by much. Dez should be better at both of those though, especially since he's 14 lbs lighter and 3 inches shorter. To say Dez has better "hand eye coordination", and better "hands" is quite a bit of a stretch though. Dez had a 10.68% drop rate, while compared to Calvin's 10.29% drop rate. For comparison Welker's drop rate was 11.28% last year.


This is stuff that irks me, obvious cowboy bias coming out for Dez.


You're right, Calvin has a faster 40 time by almost .2 seconds, and he also has a higher vertical by 4 inches.


Please explain these "aspects", because that's simply not true. Your bias is coming off very strongly. I'm sure Calvin would love to have the weapons Dez has to pull some of the coverage off, and he for sure would love to have Tony Romo throwing him the ball ... accurately. Dez does go up to get the ball great, but I think you're over exaggerating this a bit, same with his strength.




Can't argue with none of that, Dez definitly is one of the top talents in this league and if he continues to keep his head on right he'll be a nightmare for opposing defenses.

You think?

If you think Dez doesn't have better hands then you rely too much on statistics.

Also, if you don't see how aggressive and passionate Dez is, then I don't know what to tell you. Guess you'll have to be irked that I noticed.

Look, if you don't see it the same way I do, fine. You state what you think, and I've already stated what I think.

As for what aspects I think Dez is superior, I already stated them in the very post that you quoted. Don't be daft.

I don't know why you can't understand that Calvin is targeted a whole lot, but it doesn't really matter to me why you can't, so I suppose it will remain unsolved.

And we all have our biases, don't we? I have no trouble admitting mine... nor which team has my allegiance.