What will it take for Dez to overtake Megatron?

[CowboyStar88]

Do

He's the all-time leading rusher because he played forever.

Player-------------------------------Career rushing attempts
Emmitt Smith----------------------4,409
Barry Sanders--------------------3,062
Jim Brown-------------------------2,359
Walter Payton--------------------3,838
Eric Dickerson--------------------2,996
OJ Simpson-----------------------2,404
LaDanian Tomlinson-----------3,174

These are the first names I looked up. They all happen to have a higher yards per carry.

I'm sorry do you really think I care? I didn't state stats I stated his intangibles and what he was good at. He is a once in a life time type of player. Him playing "forever" is a milestone in its own and shows his determination and how well he was able to avoid punishment and how he cared for his body after games and the day after. You can use stats all you want but there wasn't a RB that was as complete as Emmitt in ever facet of the game. We are talking about a guy who was on the ground with temporary paralysis in Chicago and still came back to play at a high level. Emmitt was a throw back player and is always disrespected by people. Sorry call it bias or whatever bu I've watched him since his days at Florida and he was a special player. Not big enough Not fast enough and always told he couldn't do it. Well guess what he did. Most
Complete back to play this game period and no stat will prove otherwise

 

[Lonestar94]

Do

I'm sorry do you really think I care? I didn't state stats I stated his intangibles and what he was good at. He is a once in a life time type of player. Him playing "forever" is a milestone in its own and shows his determination and how well he was able to avoid punishment and how he cared for his body after games and the day after. You can use stats all you want but there wasn't a RB that was as complete as Emmitt in ever facet of the game. We are talking about a guy who was on the ground with temporary paralysis in Chicago and still came back to play at a high level. Emmitt was a throw back player and is always disrespected by people. Sorry call it bias or whatever bu I've watched him since his days at Florida and he was a special player. Not big enough Not fast enough and always told he couldn't do it. Well guess what he did. Most
Complete back to play this game period and no stat will prove otherwise

Emmitt was complete but that doesn't mean he was the best. Whoever says Emmitt is the best is a Dallas Cowboys homer, ask Emmitt who the best running back of all time is and he will tell you it was Walter Payton.

 

[dooomsday]

Theyre a lot closer than their stats show.

Good thing we didnt cut him over his pants being too low as a few genius wanted, huh?

 

[percyhoward]

Wow, that just winged over your head completely. Like I said, there's a major flaw to what you posted. Whether you acknowledge or not is besides the point.

It sounds like you're drawing a conclusion from the stats I posted, and then turning around and attributing that conclusion to me for some reason. For the third time, a WR's higher rating on his targets does not necessarily make him a better receiver, it just means his targets helped his team more.

 

[Jarv]

Thanks for the lesson.

In terms of all around skill set, Calvin Johnson is the best WR in the game and I don't think that changes until he declines.

Tony Mandarich was a physical specimen too, Joe Montana wasn't, yet I consider him one of the best QB's ever. Michael Jerome Irvin I consider the best WR in the 90's because of his work ethics and how he drove others to work harder. The term "Best in the game" is just to subjective unless you are going by stats alone, which can be quantified. We'll see about those stats this year, I will say I think Dez is much harder to bring down after a catch than Mega, either way it will be fun to watch.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

He's the best basketball player currently, dont get me wrong. But he's overrated. Mentioning his name with some of the GOAT is laughable.

NBA is completely watered down compared to the 80's and 90's

I personally don't think LeBron is the greatest of all time, but if you think he wouldn't have won MVPs or titles given the supporting casts guys like Bird, Magic, Jordan and Isiah had, then you completely lack the ability to recognize basketball talent.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Michael Jerome Irvin I consider the best WR in the 90's because of his work ethics and how he drove others to work harder.

Credibility fail

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Because I think his game is overrated and think much of his yardage was smoke and mirrors. It's not that I don't think he'll play at the same level, its that I think some of you look at his 1,900+ receiving yards in a vacuum and proclaim him the Lebron James of receiving based solely on that. Please. Roy Williams put up incredible statistics while in Detroit and as most sane people are aware, he just wasn't that good.

Roy Williams had one 1000 yard season and never scored more than 8 TDs.

54 catches 817 yards 8 TDs
45 catches, 687 yards 6 TDs
82 catches, 1310 yards 7 TDs
64 catches 848 yards 5 TDs
17 catches 217 yards 1 TD

so please stop brining Roy Williams up. he didn't put up incredible numbers, he had one good (not incredible) season. If anything you are looking at Roy Williams one season in a vacuum and using it to say all Detroit receivers are over rated. Truth is, Mike Martz was his OC and that's why he put up gaudy numbers. Calvin Johnson on the other hand, his 1900 yard season was just the icing on the cake. His nearly 1700 yard season with 16 TD was a better year imo. Both players will continue to get better, but Calvin Johnson just has physical tools that no one can compare to.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Dez would need to Start doping with Optimus Prime DNA?

 

[cowboys2233]

What incredible stats did he put up in Detroit? I'm all ears.

The 1,310 yards in 2006, the season before that bum came to the Cowboys? You know, the most yards of any NFC receiver that year? When Roy Williams is the leading receiver at any point, you know something isn't right. Or Mike Furrey, how the heck do you explain that away?

 

[Doomsday101]

Emmitt was complete but that doesn't mean he was the best. Whoever says Emmitt is the best is a Dallas Cowboys homer, ask Emmitt who the best running back of all time is and he will tell you it was Walter Payton.

Not many will say they were the best ever even if they are. I don't think calling Emmitt the best back ever is being a homer at all because it is an opinion but one also based on actually facts such as stats. If someone said in their opinion that Payton I could understand the rational even if I don't agree. Thing with calling any athelte the greatest ever it comes with different view points.

Emmitt's accomplishments speak for themselfs.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Mike Martz, that's how you explain it. The real question, is how many players and coaches from the 2006 team, played with Calvin Johnson in 2011 and 2012 where he put up these un worldly numbers? Pretty sure it's very few, so outside of playing in the same city, there really is no reason to compare him to Roy Williams

 

[perrykemp]

The 1,310 yards in 2006, the season before that bum came to the Cowboys? You know, the most yards of any NFC receiver that year? When Roy Williams is the leading receiver at any point, you know something isn't right. Or Mike Furrey, how the heck do you explain that away?

Mike Furrey was a converted DB who went from 0 catches in 2005 to 98 catches for 1086 yards in 2006.

If anything, it tells you how incredibly WR friendly Mike Martz offenses are.

 

[cowboys2233]

Mike Martz, that's how you explain it. The real question, is how many players and coaches from the 2006 team, played with Calvin Johnson in 2011 and 2012 where he put up these un worldly numbers? Pretty sure it's very few, so outside of playing in the same city, there really is no reason to compare him to Roy Williams

No, it points to the fact that there has been a certain philosophy in place in Detroit for a number of years, it's why Martz was there in the first place. That philosophy didn't change just because Martz left. That philosophy, which turned a slouch like Roy Williams into the NFC's leading receiver and Mike Furrey into Wes Welker (ha ha), has also tremendously benefitted Calvin Johnson. I mean, look how many targets he had the last couple of years. Why is this so hard to understand? If Dez Bryant played in that system and had that many looks, he would certainly put up similar, if not better, numbers. And he has now become a better, more dangerous receiver than Johnson. You don't have to look at inflated stats, just watch them play and it's easy to see. Dez gets more separation because he comes out of cuts much quicker than Johnson. It's not Johnson's fault, his body type doesn't allow for that type of quickness and he relies on his height and build to shield defenders, who are all too often draped all over him. It works but I think Dez can play that same type of game in addition to being far more elusive, making him more multidimensional than Johnson. Because he has more facets to his game, he is the more dangerous receiver overall. In other words, when it comes to crunch time and you need a completion or touchdown, Dez is your guy. Johnson's one-dimensional game can be too easily defended when it comes down to crunch time.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You're so delusional, it's not even funny. So since it's easier, let's deal with facts and not assumptions like Dez would exceed Calvin Johnson's numbers if he were in Detroit.

-In the history of the NFL no WR has ever had 1850 yards, until Calvin Johnson.
-In the history of the NFL, only 6 WRs (some multiple times) have had over 120 catches in a season , Calvin Johnson is one of them.
-In the history of the NFL, only 15 WRs (some multiple times) have scored 16 TDs in a season. Calvin Johnson is also one of them.
-Mike Martz has a history of highly prolific offenses on multiple teams, Scott Linehan, does not. The closest you can claim in Minnesota, which saw huge increases in production when Randy Moss joined the team (1998) not so much when Linehan became WR/OC (2002-2004).

To call his stats over inflated is really a joke when you consider the small handful of players over the entire history of the NFL who have done the things he has. And this whole mindset you are referring to is pulled completely out of your backside. None of the coaches from 2006 are there, they throw Calvin Johnson the ball because he's the only legitimate threat they have, yet he still puts up GOAT numbers. We've seen elite receivers on bad teams not put up those numbers before, why? Because they're not as good as Calvin Johnson.

 

[khiladi]

I honestly don't think Calvin is in the same league as Randy Moss league in over all physical ability. That's not a slight to Calvin either, Moss just was insane. I do think that Calvin is the most talented though since Moss.


They didn't call Moss the super freak for nothing -

Sick, just absolutely sick. And he went across the middle...

 

[Nova]

Let's be real here... Megatron doesn't get all that many more looks than Dez. Does he get more? Yes, but the discrepancy between targets and production isn't in favor of Bryant.

In 2011, 'Tron had 1,681 yds and 16 TDs on 158 targets, which is only 20 targets more than Dez received in 2012 (obviously his best year).

20 more targets. That's it. Just for quick reference, if Dez had that many targets he would have projected to finish with 1,582 yds and about 13-14 TDs.

But here's the real kicker... although Megatron was targeted 20 more times, he had the exact same number of 'catchable' balls thrown his way at 103.

Meaning 2011 Calvin and 2012 Dez are pretty much a direct comparison of opportunities and output, and Megatron wins pretty handedly, by 4 receptions, 299 yds, 4 tds.

2012 Dez:
92 rec, 1,382 yds, 12 TDs, 15.0 avg

2011 Calvin:
96 rec, 1,681 yds, 16 TDs, 17.5 avg

 

[khiladi]

Dez plays like AP as a WR. He needs to be careful for us fans...

 

[khiladi]

Mike Martz hasn't been good since the Rams. Playing for him is actually bad for the effectiveness of WRs....

 

[gbrittain]

Let's be real here... Megatron doesn't get all that many more looks than Dez. Does he get more? Yes, but the discrepancy between targets and production isn't in favor of Bryant.

In 2011, 'Tron had 1,681 yds and 16 TDs on 158 targets, which is only 20 targets more than Dez received in 2012 (obviously his best year).

20 more targets. That's it. Just for quick reference, if Dez had that many targets he would have projected to finish with 1,582 yds and about 13-14 TDs.

But here's the real kicker... although Megatron was targeted 20 more times, he had the exact same number of 'catchable' balls thrown his way at 103.

Meaning 2011 Calvin and 2012 Dez are pretty much a direct comparison of opportunities and output, and Megatron wins pretty handedly, by 4 receptions, 299 yds, 4 tds.

2012 Dez:
92 rec, 1,382 yds, 12 TDs, 15.0 avg

2011 Calvin:
96 rec, 1,681 yds, 16 TDs, 17.5 avg

Interesting stats but IMO there is one thing that is not taken into account. Obviously the numbers are what they are, but where Calvin Johnson was in his career in 2011 vs Dez Bryant in 2012 is much different. Calvin was a 5th year pro in 2011 and Dez was a third year pro in which he did not really find his groove until the second half of the season.

I am not prepared to make any bold statements about Dez at this point other than to say he is clearly still on the rise. Time will tell.