What would it take for us to sign Freeney or Dumervil?

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'd rather stick with what we have......

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Which again does nothing to disprove my point.

Someone (actually I think a few people) said you would have to pay Freeney a lot more money than an up and coming DE or a young reclamation project.

That's false. Freeney made $1MM last year. That's it. It's about what we are paying Moore and $500K less than what we paid Mayowa. So again, saying that one reason we shouldn't sign Freeney is he would cost a lot more than a young project is likely false.

I'll put it another way. If people are listing the reasons to not sign Freeney then it would be acceptable to say you don't want him signed because he's old, probably not very good anymore. All acceptable reasons. One dumb reason to say you don't want Freeney? That he'll cost too much. That's false.

How much would a 4th round DE cost you?

 

[Cowboys22]

It would take a major injury and disappointing play from a few other guys. Also, I'm not entirely discounting that there is a deal in place with Ware for him to come back at some point in the season if they need additional pass rush. I just think he didn't want to go through the rigors of camp but may certainly decide to come back for 8-10 games plus the playoffs if he is needed and wanted.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

It would be dum unless they were free.

 

[LittleD]

It's like some fans on here don't follow the team they claim to be fans of. It's mind boggling some times.

You've got it nailed...I can't reason why some fans keep starting up these threads when they know better. If the Cowboys wanted either
of these two guys, they would be in camp. They don't and they won't.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A bottle of geritol and a box of depends?

They were good 5-10 years ago. Now is now.

 

[Kaiser]

I don't know if DLaw will be healthy or if Tapper will develop or if Mayowa will continue to develop or if David Irving will continue to develop or if Taco will start well from day one or if Demontre Moore will have his head on straight.

But several of those things will happen, and those options will be significantly better than what Freeney or Dumervil will do next year.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Which again does nothing to disprove my point.

Someone (actually I think a few people) said you would have to pay Freeney a lot more money than an up and coming DE or a young reclamation project.

That's false. Freeney made $1MM last year. That's it. It's about what we are paying Moore and $500K less than what we paid Mayowa. So again, saying that one reason we shouldn't sign Freeney is he would cost a lot more than a young project is likely false.

I'll put it another way. If people are listing the reasons to not sign Freeney then it would be acceptable to say you don't want him signed because he's old, probably not very good anymore. All acceptable reasons. One dumb reason to say you don't want Freeney? That he'll cost too much. That's false.

If they can pay one guy 1.5 million for 8 sacks or another guy 1 million for 1 sack.

It's true they paid the first guy more...but they got more production from him at the same time.

That is a sound investment.

I get your general point about someone saying he will cost more.

He would NOT cost more 1 mill vs 1.5 mill....however his amount of money vs return in production would not equal the same.

 

[risco]

Just wondering what the coaching staff would have to see in OTA's and training camp at RDE for them to say that Lawrence, Taco, Tapper simply are not enough to pressure the edge, and that we need to sign a designated 3rd down rusher like Freeney or Dumervil? I know this is not our style, but if we get past the first 3 preseason games and Lawrence is not the same player he was in the 2014 postseason, and Taco and Tapper look like rookies who will need a full year of experience before making an impact, would we go that route if it meant a consistent RDE edge rush on 3rd downs and Aaron Rodgers and others having to at least worry about their blindside? Come tomorrow, we will have Romo's cap space to play with...

What would it take? For me it would take a big fat WHY?

 

[Sydla]

How much would a 4th round DE cost you?

I thought we were talking about free agents. But nevertheless, Tapper was a 4th round DE. And we are going to pay him about $600K this year. So is Freeney significantly more expensive than a 4th round DE? Not really in terms of NFL salaries.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

It's like some fans on here don't follow the team they claim to be fans of. It's mind boggling some times.

I've watched every Cowboys game for the last 40 years... it was a simple hypothetical to spur some discussion about what it would take to sign a vet like these 2. What is mind boggling is people like you -- a "staff member" who is supposed to be above the fray -- feeling it necessary to criticize the poster, rather than just giving your opinion on the subject of the post.

 

[LittleD]

I've watched every Cowboys game for the last 40 years... it was a simple hypothetical to spur some discussion about what it would take to sign a vet like these 2. What is mind boggling is people like you -- a "staff member" who is supposed to be above the fray -- feeling it necessary to criticize the poster, rather than just giving your opinion on the subject of the post.

Please, Please don't take offense and take responses for what they are. Sydia and you should just realize that the board has spoken, The Cowboys FO has spoken, The HC has spoken, Jerry has spoken. This subject and the endless repetition of threads is boring. We and they don't want these old guys at any price.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I've watched every Cowboys game for the last 40 years... it was a simple hypothetical to spur some discussion about what it would take to sign a vet like these 2. What is mind boggling is people like you -- a "staff member" who is supposed to be above the fray -- feeling it necessary to criticize the poster, rather than just giving your opinion on the subject of the post.

This post of yours is exactly why we can not have nice things around here.

I did give you an opinion on the subject...something you actually quoted.

However, I also gave an OPINION on the subject to another poster. If you did not like it...so be it. However the opinion stands.

Mind Boggling that this happens...every offseason...and normally by the same few posters.


Mind Boggling...But Expected.

And If you have trouble with how a "staff member" responds in your thread...take it to the owner or administration in PMs and not in public.

See it is a great forum where people can express their opinions, even if it does not match with what you want it to match with...even if they are a moderator or not. To even question that is yet another Mind Boggling thing.

 

[Sydla]

Please, Please don't take offense and take responses for what they are. Sydia and you should just realize that the board has spoken, The Cowboys FO has spoken, The HC has spoken, Jerry has spoken. This subject and the endless repetition of threads is boring. We and they don't want these old guys at any price.

Except I never advocated for the signing of Freeney in this thread.

I was just pointing out some of the reasons people give for not wanting an older vet are largely silly or not even factually accurate.

And FWIW, the FO has spoken........ they have tried to bring in older vets on the cheap. Nolan Carroll is a prime example. They would have brought Ware in if he wasn't retiring. Paea is 29. So let's not act like the FO is all aboard the "only sign guys who are 26 years old or younger" train. Because that's not accurate at all.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Just wondering what the coaching staff would have to see in OTA's and training camp at RDE for them to say that Lawrence, Taco, Tapper simply are not enough to pressure the edge, and that we need to sign a designated 3rd down rusher like Freeney or Dumervil?

There is nothing that could make the Cowboys sign either Freeney or Dumervil.

Maybe 5-6 years ago but not in 2017.

 

[LittleD]

Except I never advocated for the signing of Freeney in this thread.

I was just pointing out some of the reasons people give for not wanting an older vet are largely silly or not even factually accurate.

And FWIW, the FO has spoken........ they have tried to bring in older vets on the cheap. Nolan Carroll is a prime example. They would have brought Ware in if he wasn't retiring. Paea is 29. So let's not act like the FO is all aboard the "only sign guys who are 26 years old or younger" train. Because that's not accurate at all.

Obviously the coaches have a bunch to say who is brought in. They like Carroll and Paea and they were signed. Anyone still on the street, they don't like and don't want unless someone gets hurt right before the season starts. That, as Stephen says all the time, is the business of talent acquisition. They just have no interest in the other guys.

 

[Sydla]

Obviously the coaches have a bunch to say who is brought in. They like Carroll and Paea and they were signed. Anyone still on the street, they don't like and don't want unless someone gets hurt right before the season starts. That, as Stephen says all the time, is the business of talent acquisition. They just have no interest in the other guys.

Again, this doesn't refute anything I just said. Of course they don't have interest in Freeney right now.

Doesn't change the point that some of the reasoning for fans not wanting him is largely silly. And the fact he is not here is because the FO thinks like you and eschews all older, aging players. Because that's not true either.

 

[Direwolf63]

What would it take?

It would take Jerry to lock up his kid, his HC and McClay in the Star's broom closet. Then make the call.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Pass.

 

[robjay04]

Dumervil was hurt and Freeney was playing part time. If you watched the playoffs and Super Bowl closely, Freeney was a beast. We certainly flirted with Demarcus Ware and I believe would have signed him if he did not retire. I think there is a place for a veteran guy like this who can provide a consistent 3rd down pass rush from RDE, and mentor of our younger guys.

We flirted with Ware because he is an owner/GM favorite...not necessarily because he was a great fit.

Dumervil/Freeney combined for 687 snaps and got 6 sacks(3 for Freeney on 415 snaps, 3 for Dumervil on 272 snaps)

Mayowa had 6 sacks as well playing 383 snaps. Mayowa is a better player at this point in their careers.

Yes Freeney was good in the Super Bowl but that is irrelevant, there is still no proof that a 37 year old defensive end is any better than any of the defensive ends on our team. He is still a progress stopper and we are going to have to release a player with higher upside and a cheap contract to bring him on.