What would it take for us to sign Freeney or Dumervil?

[JBell]

We missed the boat on Freeney last season.

We beat Green Bay with him. I would take either because we still don't have a bendy DE that can turn the corner on any given snap. But it made way more sense last season. With the additions of Taco and Tapper, definitely don't see this happening.

 

[robjay04]

We missed the boat on Freeney last season.

We beat Green Bay with him. I would take either because we still don't have a bendy DE that can turn the corner on any given snap. But it made way more sense last season. With the additions of Taco and Tapper, definitely don't see this happening.

Whole heartedly disagree.

On a per snap basis, Freeney's production is not on the level of any of the pass rushers on our team. He was absent on the stat sheet against Green Bag as well. Saying he would've been the difference is judging his past only.

And this is while playing on the same line as arguably the best pass rusher in the NFL last season.

 

[casmith07]

Just wondering what the coaching staff would have to see in OTA's and training camp at RDE for them to say that Lawrence, Taco, Tapper simply are not enough to pressure the edge, and that we need to sign a designated 3rd down rusher like Freeney or Dumervil? I know this is not our style, but if we get past the first 3 preseason games and Lawrence is not the same player he was in the 2014 postseason, and Taco and Tapper look like rookies who will need a full year of experience before making an impact, would we go that route if it meant a consistent RDE edge rush on 3rd downs and Aaron Rodgers and others having to at least worry about their blindside? Come tomorrow, we will have Romo's cap space to play with...

A miracle, hopefully, meaning that it would be unlikely.

I like the direction we're headed with our guys towards camp. I don't want to bring in aging progress-stopperrs. Let these young guys play and see if they've got the wheels. If they don't, draft someone else or sign a young free agent.

Gone are the days of signing the Leonard Davises of the world, hopefully.

 

[JBell]

Whole heartedly disagree.

On a per snap basis, Freeney's production is not on the level of any of the pass rushers on our team. He was absent on the stat sheet against Green Bag as well. Saying he would've been the difference is judging his past only.

And this is while playing on the same line as arguably the best pass rusher in the NFL last season.

A common mistake most fans make is evaluating pass rushers solely based on sack totals. It's important for sure, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Brandon Graham absolutely destroyed Doug Free in the first PHI/DAL match-up last season, but didn't register a single sack.

Freeney had as many QB hurries last season as Danielle Hunter (12.5 sacks, t-3rd in the league) and Cliff Avril (11.5 sacks, 6th in the league) in limited snaps.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I don't want either.

Benson Mayowa had the same amount of sacks as Freeney and Dumervil last season...combined.

Last thing this team needs to do is bring in a stop gap player to limit the reps of our young guys. We aren't talking about premier pass rushers either...we are talking about older players past their prime.

Yup, let the young guys play, sometimes that's the only way you know if they'll be good.

 

[skinsscalper]

Which again does nothing to disprove my point.

Someone (actually I think a few people) said you would have to pay Freeney a lot more money than an up and coming DE or a young reclamation project.

That's false. Freeney made $1MM last year. That's it. It's about what we are paying Moore and $500K less than what we paid Mayowa. So again, saying that one reason we shouldn't sign Freeney is he would cost a lot more than a young project is likely false.

I'll put it another way. If people are listing the reasons to not sign Freeney then it would be acceptable to say you don't want him signed because he's old, probably not very good anymore. All acceptable reasons. One dumb reason to say you don't want Freeney? That he'll cost too much. That's false.

Actually, for the sake of playing devil's advocate, if you paid him $ 1 million and he produced one sack, he, indeed, cost too much. It's not really rocket surgery.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I thought we were talking about free agents. But nevertheless, Tapper was a 4th round DE. And we are going to pay him about $600K this year. So is Freeney significantly more expensive than a 4th round DE? Not really in terms of NFL salaries.

That 400k does add up though. Essentially if you were to get a Freeney a guy like Tapper is someone who would be his competition. So a NFL organization asks themselves would they rather be paying 600k for a rookie or young NFL guy who's hungry or spend 1 million on a Freeney. I know the 400k seems like nothing when you are dealing with a hundred million plus on the salary cap but these organizations penny pinch. Its all about getting your money's worth especially on a team where you have people overpaid as it is.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

About two more suspensions.

 

[robjay04]

A common mistake most fans make is evaluating pass rushers solely based on sack totals. It's important for sure, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Brandon Graham absolutely destroyed Doug Free in the first PHI/DAL match-up last season, but didn't register a single sack.

Freeney had as many QB hurries last season as Danielle Hunter (12.5 sacks, t-3rd in the league) and Cliff Avril (11.5 sacks, 6th in the league) in limited snaps.

And Tyrone Crawford had more....

I don't believe many on here would agree that Crawford was a disruptive player last season.

Unless we sat down and watched every snap, neither one of could really tell how disruptive hurries can be.

I'm not sure the science of crediting hurries. Sometimes when you hurry a player, he scrambles outside the pocket and throws a 36 yard pass to set up a game winning field goal...kind of like how Rodgers ended our season.

Freeney also played on the same line as the best pass rusher in the game last season, that should've helped his numbers. I've heard so many people credit Greg Hardy for Lawrence's sole good season. If Freeney can only manage 3 sacks there...what would he have done here? The Falcons needed pass rush help outside of Vic Beasley bad all season...they were one of the worst in the league at getting to the QB.

 

[DTown214]

Common sense

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Granted these are from 2015-16, but I just don't think anyone on this roster can duplicate this right now.

Until we sign him and then he'll be done!

 

[BAT]

I don't want either.

Benson Mayowa had the same amount of sacks as Freeney and Dumervil last season...combined.

Last thing this team needs to do is bring in a stop gap player to limit the reps of our young guys. We aren't talking about premier pass rushers either...we are talking about older players past their prime.

Both Mayowa and Tank are also stop gap players, both maybe younger but certainly not nearly as talented. Freeney and Dumervil have rings, intangibles plus the same production. Both are vet presences in locker room & can mentor the real up and coming young players. Marinelli is a resource but he should not be the ONLY resource. And there is only so much Marinelli to go around.

I would rather have Freeney over Mayowa any day. I would also sign Daryl Washington as well. Vets are not the anti-christ, they are the yin to this very young team's yang. Would thinks that Witten and Sean Lee are progress stoppers or more importantly a negative to the team? The D lacks leadership outside of Lee. It would be nice to add a winner on the DL. Imagine how much better Taco and Maliek's spin moves can be once Freeney shares some of his stuff.

 

[BAT]

Why would they go get Freeney a year older when they could have had him last year. Yeah, he had a good SB, but had 3 sacks all year

What more needs to be said? How many sacks did Tank Lawrence get again? Think Jim Jeffcoat.

 

[JBell]

And Tyrone Crawford had more....

I don't believe many on here would agree that Crawford was a disruptive player last season.

Unless we sat down and watched every snap, neither one of could really tell how disruptive hurries can be.

I'm not sure the science of crediting hurries. Sometimes when you hurry a player, he scrambles outside the pocket and throws a 36 yard pass to set up a game winning field goal...kind of like how Rodgers ended our season.

Freeney also played on the same line as the best pass rusher in the game last season, that should've helped his numbers. I've heard so many people credit Greg Hardy for Lawrence's sole good season. If Freeney can only manage 3 sacks there...what would he have done here? The Falcons needed pass rush help outside of Vic Beasley bad all season...they were one of the worst in the league at getting to the QB.

I'm not gonna pretend to act like I saw every ATL game, but the few I saw he still had that explosive get-off, and of course, the spin move.

Beasley was actually as good as he was partly due to Freeney. Read that he took Beasley under his wing and was essentially a player/coach.

Think of the young DE's on the roster than could benefit from his knowledge. Even though it's a year too late, I'd still take a 37 year old Freeney over Damontre Moore. Think he's going back to ATL though if he does decide to keep playing.

 

[speedkilz88]

What more needs to be said? How many sacks did Tank Lawrence get again? Think Jim Jeffcoat.

He wasn't healthy last year.

 

[xwalker]

We flirted with Ware because he is an owner/GM favorite...not necessarily because he was a great fit.

Dumervil/Freeney combined for 687 snaps and got 6 sacks(3 for Freeney on 415 snaps, 3 for Dumervil on 272 snaps)

Mayowa had 6 sacks as well playing 383 snaps. Mayowa is a better player at this point in their careers.

Yes Freeney was good in the Super Bowl but that is irrelevant, there is still no proof that a 37 year old defensive end is any better than any of the defensive ends on our team. He is still a progress stopper and we are going to have to release a player with higher upside and a cheap contract to bring him on.

 

[AsthmaField]

A bottle of geritol and a box of depends?

They were good 5-10 years ago. Now is now.

 

[AsthmaField]

It would take a total breakdown of how the front office has been doing business the last 5 years.

A cataclysmic shift in the direction the team wants to go in and how they want to spend their salary cap.

Fair warning: Don't hold your breath.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Well, we haven't signed any old vets to impede the progress of the young guys in quite some time.
Guys like tank, Gregory, mayowa, Irving, Collins, Crawford, tapper,ect have all the opportunities to be successful. If they can't do it, it's because they are just average, below average, or injury prone players

 

[BAT]

He wasn't healthy last year.

Neither was Dumervil but I'm sure that will be ignored too.