What would it take for us to sign Freeney or Dumervil?

[Sydla]

You mean the "best pass rusher" who credits Dwight Freeney with being the "best pass rusher in the NFL last season"?

He brought more to the Falcons than just his own onfield numbers.

When Freeney met Beasley, he saw a player who already was working hard with coaches in the offseason to hone his techniques. Freeney wanted to take things to the next level. His goal was to teach Beasley the finer points of the game: the importance of recognizing formations, the subtle changes in an offensive tackle's stance depending on run or pass plays, the various ways to set up a blocker for a rush that might not come until the next series. As Falcons defensive tackle Grady Jarrett said, "There's so much off-the-field [film room] stuff you can learn from a guy like Dwight."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ts-breakout-year-to-dwight-freeney-mentorship

 

[Stash]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ts-breakout-year-to-dwight-freeney-mentorship

Thanks.

I got lazy.

 

[JoeKing]

I understand the thinking, but a rookie will always be a rookie, even in his 2nd year, if he doesn't get an opportunity to make those rookie mistakes. If not this season, eventually the Cowboys are going to have to put them out there. We may as well get it over with this season, in my opinion.

Rookies have to get the experience somehow. Real game situations can not be suitably simulated to matter. I agree.

 

[Sydla]

Thanks.

I got lazy.

And note, this isn't specifically about signing Freeney. Right now, we don't really have a need to bring him in given the current depth chart at DE. The larger picture here is the fact that there is absolutely value in bringing in older players that don't bust the budget. The notion that older players are immediately "progress stoppers" is simply poppycock.

 

[Stash]

And note, this isn't specifically about signing Freeney. Right now, we don't really have a need to bring him in given the current depth chart at DE. The larger picture here is the fact that there is absolutely value in bringing in older players that don't bust the budget. The notion that older players are immediately "progress stoppers" is simply poppycock.

I totally agree.

But, as said, there's no reason at all to bring either one of those guys in barring some huge run of injuries to the position (knocking on wood that doesn't happen).

If they didn't bring Freeney in last year when things were looking far worse, I certainly can't envision them doing it now. At this point, I think he'd make a fine coach if he chose to go that route.

 

[Alexander]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/06/01/report-elvis-dumervil-to-work-out-for-ravens/

Dumervil to work out for the Niners.

Perhaps someone needs to break it to them that yes, he is a veteran and that heaven forbid, he might be a progress stopper.

 

[Alexander]

You mean the "best pass rusher" who credits Dwight Freeney with being the "best pass rusher in the NFL last season"?

He brought more to the Falcons than just his own onfield numbers.

Please. He only had a few sacks.

Hey. Benson Mayowa. Had more.

Look at those sacks, baby!

 

[haleyrules]

It really doesn't seem the Cowboys need these old players. Let the players onboard now play and look to the next draft to build up the defense further.

 

[Alexander]

It really doesn't seem the Cowboys need these old players. Let the players onboard now play and look to the next draft to build up the defense further.

And then, when you are one and done, you kind of wonder. What went wrong?

Great teams are a mixture. Vets and homegrown. The key is having the right person who understands that.

This team is too vet adverse.

 

[xwalker]

And then, when you are one and done, you kind of wonder. What went wrong?

Great teams are a mixture. Vets and homegrown. The key is having the right person who understands that.

This team is too vet adverse.

If these vets were that great at this point, they would already be on a team.

 

[haleyrules]

And then, when you are one and done, you kind of wonder. What went wrong?

Great teams are a mixture. Vets and homegrown. The key is having the right person who understands that.

This team is too vet adverse.

Well, if the FO could trade for a Haley...l would be all in...or pull a Patriot off season! Freeny or to a lesser extent Dumervil leave me a little cold.

 

[haleyrules]

And then, when you are one and done, you kind of wonder. What went wrong?

Great teams are a mixture. Vets and homegrown. The key is having the right person who understands that.

This team is too vet adverse.

Well, the one and done's could be solved, not by old players, but by a veteran Head Coach....

 

[Alexander]

If these vets were that great at this point, they would already be on a team.

Thanks Mickey!

 

[BAT]

No they are young, developmental player killers and they usually cost way more than justified based on past glory. The NFL is a young man's game today and we need to let these young players develop on the field and let them sink or swim in the deep end of the pool. Why take some other team's old castoffs who make way too much money for now too little production.

Way too much money? Do you even know how much Freeney played for last season? Less than Mayowa, how about that? These older guys are playing on 1 year 1M deals looking for rings while the younger but less talented guys like Mayowa and Nolan Carroll are on multiple year contracts.

 

[speedkilz88]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/06/01/report-elvis-dumervil-to-work-out-for-ravens/

Dumervil to work out for the Niners.

Perhaps someone needs to break it to them that yes, he is a veteran and that heaven forbid, he might be a progress stopper.

They were 2-14 who do they have that he would stop progress? They are just looking for any kind of progress.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The "progress stopper" thing is pretty accurate. The organization has been using that as it's crutch to get it through tough cap times.

It has now cemented itself as a philosophy and fans have bought into it, even to the extent that even marginal talent that will never be more than what they are could somehow have their growth stunted by a veteran. It is just about finding cheap players, not necessarily the best, even for situational roles. Perhaps that will change in the future, but I doubt it.

Yeah because the Cowboys invented the phrase and it's not a common conception in sports.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh there is no doubt the Cowboys and some fans here use it as justification for moves the Cowboys make but in reality it's a bogus rationale.

They need to see what the DE they have can do in games. Bringing in a veteran who is guaranteed game time pushes people down the depth chart.

You can give all the limiting factors like "he doesn't take all the practice reps" but that completely misses the boat. He takes some of the practice reps and some of the game reps. When you have 4+ young guys with talent needing a shot that is a problem.

And this notion that we were claiming Mincey, Selvie, or Jarius Wynn were progress stoppers for big bag of nothing is just false. No one was lamenting the progress of Eric Ogbogu when we brought in Marcellus Wiley either.

 

[gmoney112]

Maybe if some guys get injured, but it'd be under the assumption that he'd have no guaranteed playing time.

I like the idea of young players learning from a pro like Freeney, especially since we have a lot on the DL. But, these guys need reps and we need to figure out what we have moving forward.

 

[LittleD]

Way too much money? Do you even know how much Freeney played for last season? Less than Mayowa, how about that? These older guys are playing on 1 year 1M deals looking for rings while the younger but less talented guys like Mayowa and Nolan Carroll are on multiple year contracts.

Freeney is a part time player and I wouldn't want him if he paid the Cowboys to be on the team. He did not do much last year and he's now another year older and way past the age of being useful. Stephen has said it, we aren't shopping for old guys past usefulness.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/06/01/report-elvis-dumervil-to-work-out-for-ravens/

Dumervil to work out for the Niners.

Perhaps someone needs to break it to them that yes, he is a veteran and that heaven forbid, he might be a progress stopper.

What progess have they made?