What would it take for us to sign Freeney or Dumervil?

[Stash]

If it wasn't a moot point already, Freeney looks to be going back to Atlanta.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/06/02/dwight-freeney-talking-to-falcons-about-returning/

Someone should warn them about stopping McKinley's progress like he did Beasley's!

 

[robjay04]

You mean the "best pass rusher" who credits Dwight Freeney with being the "best pass rusher in the NFL last season"?

He brought more to the Falcons than just his own onfield numbers.

Cowboys had more sacks than the Falcons last season.

The Falcons had a premier pass rusher and Dwight Freeney.

As for Beasley crediting Freeney? That's not really tangible. Beasley can credit him all he wants but he was an 8th overall pick, it was expected. The coaches are supposed to be the teachers, you don't take up roster spots for that.

My final point is. If Dwight Freeney was here and had only 3 sacks and our team sack total was bottom half of the league, that would be a disappointment here. Give me the more productive player on a per a snap basis over the guy with half the production but he's a "mentor".

 

[Alexander]

What progess have they made?

They have a good bunch of young talent on the DL and at OLB. I know I would take Arik Armstead, Earl Mitchell, Solomon Thomas and DeForest Buckner, along with Ronald Blair and Aaron Lynch straight up for our collection. But yet with all these young players, there they go progress stopping.

 

[Stash]

Cowboys had more sacks than the Falcons last season.

The Falcons had a premier pass rusher and Dwight Freeney.

A "premium pass rusher" who credits Freeney in his becoming that "premium pass rusher".

As for Beasley crediting Freeney? That's not really tangible. Beasley can credit him all he wants but he was an 8th overall pick, it was expected. The coaches are supposed to be the teachers, you don't take up roster spots for that.

Actually, it's very tangible.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeasVi00.htm

The guy went from 4 sacks to 15.5 sacks. That's as "tangible" of an improvement as you're going to see. And the actual player credited Freeney. That holds a lot more weight than a guy on the internet offering his agenda-driven opinion.

My final point is. If Dwight Freeney was here and had only 3 sacks and our team sack total was bottom half of the league, that would be a disappointment here. Give me the more productive player on a per a snap basis over the guy with half the production but he's a "mentor".

Do we also get to have the NFL's leader in sacks in your equation, or is it just cherry-picking the negatives?

And again, the Falcons are looking to bring Freeney back. You should go and tell them that they're wrong.

 

[Alexander]

As for Beasley crediting Freeney? That's not really tangible. Beasley can credit him all he wants but he was an 8th overall pick, it was expected. The coaches are supposed to be the teachers, you don't take up roster spots for that.

But yet a few months ago, people wanted a broken down Ware to do the same thing, and for probably a good bit more money.

How is it he was not considered a progress stopper, but a mentor instead?

 

[Stash]

But yet a few months ago, people wanted a broken down Ware to do the same thing, and for probably a good bit more money.

How is it he was not considered a progress stopper, but a mentor instead?

There's you go, poking more gaping holes in his failed logic and blatant double standards.

I hope you're happy!

 

[Stash]

They have a good bunch of young talent on the DL and at OLB. I know I would take Arik Armstead, Earl Mitchell, Solomon Thomas and DeForest Buckner, along with Ronald Blair and Aaron Lynch straight up for our collection. But yet with all these young players, there they go progress stopping.

To say nothing of the fact that San Francisco is a team going nowhere this year. And they and everyone else know it. And yet they can add a vet option, while a team that was 13-3 and the top seed in the NFC couldn't possibly do the same?

Right...

 

[robjay04]

A "premium pass rusher" who credits Freeney in his becoming that "premium pass rusher".



Actually, it's very tangible.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeasVi00.htm

The guy went from 4 sacks to 15.5 sacks. That's as "tangible" of an improvement as you're going to see. And the actual player credited Freeney. That holds a lot more weight than a guy on the internet offering his agenda-driven opinion.



Do we also get to have the NFL's leader in sacks in your equation, or is it just cherry-picking the negatives?

And again, the Falcons are looking to bring Freeney back. You should go and tell them that they're wrong.

It's not tangible because you do not know it Beasley would've reached those levels anyways. Well before they brought in Freeney, the Falcons graded him as an 8th overall pick capable of being a premier pass rusher. He was entering his sophomore year so you would expect an improvement. Crediting one player for another players success is bogus.

If Freeney was such an amazing teacher, why didn't his influence help everyone on the defense and not just the top 10 pick going into his sophomore season?

I could care less who the Falcons bring in. The only thing that is tangible here is that a player like Benson Mayowa doubled Dwight Freeney's sack total while playing less snaps. "But Freeney is an excellent teacher for sophomore top 10 picks" is a reach if I have ever seen one.

 

[robjay04]

But yet a few months ago, people wanted a broken down Ware to do the same thing, and for probably a good bit more money.

How is it he was not considered a progress stopper, but a mentor instead?

You know as well as I know 90 percent of fans here wanted Ware for sentimental reasons over anything else.

 

[Stash]

It's not tangible because you do not know it Beasley would've reached those levels anyways. Well before they brought in Freeney, the Falcons graded him as an 8th overall pick capable of being a premier pass rusher. He was entering his sophomore year so you would expect an improvement. Crediting one player for another players success is bogus.

I'm not, Beasley is!

And what is actually "bogus" is attempting to minimize what did happen for what didn't happen. That's "bogus".

Freeney was such an amazing teacher, why didn't his influence help everyone on the defense and not just the top 10 pick going into his sophomore season?

Most of their numbers did just that. Overall, the team went from dead last in the league in sacks in 2015 to 16th in 2016.

I could care less who the Falcons bring in. The only thing that is tangible here is that a player like Benson Mayowa doubled Dwight Freeney's sack total while playing less snaps. "But Freeney is an excellent teacher for sophomore top 10 picks" is a reach if I have ever seen one.

Because you don't see what is, you see what you want to see. Of course you "don't care" who the Falcons bring in, because the moves of a Super Bowl team contradict your opinion.

Again, if it was Ware being brought in, your hands would be blistered from clapping so hard, but because we're talking about anyone else they're "a progress stopper".

 

[robjay04]

I'm not, Beasley is!

And what is actually "bogus" is attempting to minimize what did happen for what didn't happen. That's "bogus".



Most of their numbers did just that. Overall, the team went from dead last in the league in sacks in 2015 to 16th in 2016.



Because you don't see what is, you see what you want to see. Of course you "don't care" who the Falcons bring in, because the moves of a Super Bowl team contradict your opinion.

Again, if it was Ware being brought in, your hands would be blistered from clapping so hard, but because we're talking about anyone else they're "a progress stopper".

The Falcons were a Super Bowl team because of their offense.

They lost the Super Bowl because Brady shredded their defense late in the game. They traded up in the first round pick because their pass rush was not good enough.

You have no idea my thoughts on Ware...bringing up Ware is just showing a flaw in your argument. "But but you would want this guy".

No I do not want Demarcus Ware.

I thought Ware would be a good addition at the right price in February...not in June at the expense of a defensive end on our team that has higher upside. I also predicted Ware would be a logical addition due to the his obvious ties to the team, management and the city.

Someone on here pointed out to me who we would have to cut to make room for Ware and I came to the realization that it was not a great idea.

Lastly....my argument is "I'll take a player who can get double the sacks in less snaps that is 25 years old"

Your argument is "Freeney can help a team's top 10 pick break out in their sophomore season"

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[Stash]

The Falcons were a Super Bowl team because of their offense.

They lost the Super Bowl because Brady shredded their defense late in the game. They traded up in the first round pick because their pass rush was not good enough.

You have no idea my thoughts on Ware...bringing up Ware is just showing a flaw in your argument. "But but you would want this guy".

No I do not want Demarcus Ware.

I thought Ware would be a good addition at the right price in February...not in June at the expense of a defensive end on our team that has higher upside. I also predicted Ware would be a logical addition due to the his obvious ties to the team, management and the city.

Someone on here pointed out to me who we would have to cut to make room for Ware and I came to the realization that it was not a great idea.

That's great. We agree there. I'm not campaigning for Freeney to be signed at this point. Not in the least. I'm just poking holes in dumb arguments about "progress stoppers" and d be night ngbth fact that Freeney wouldn't have been an asset last year. He obviously was for both Beasley and the Falcons and will be this year before too.

Lastly....my argument is "I'll take a player who can get double the sacks in less snaps that is 25 years old"

Your argument is "Freeney can help a team's top 10 pick break out in their sophomore season"

That pretty much sums it up.

Sounds like you need another fact check.

 

[Ball4life66]

The Falcons were a Super Bowl team because of their offense.

They lost the Super Bowl because Brady shredded their defense late in the game. They traded up in the first round pick because their pass rush was not good enough.

You have no idea my thoughts on Ware...bringing up Ware is just showing a flaw in your argument. "But but you would want this guy".

No I do not want Demarcus Ware.

I thought Ware would be a good addition at the right price in February...not in June at the expense of a defensive end on our team that has higher upside. I also predicted Ware would be a logical addition due to the his obvious ties to the team, management and the city.

Someone on here pointed out to me who we would have to cut to make room for Ware and I came to the realization that it was not a great idea.

Lastly....my argument is "I'll take a player who can get double the sacks in less snaps that is 25 years old"

Your argument is "Freeney can help a team's top 10 pick break out in their sophomore season"

That pretty much sums it up.

So because you are a top 10 pick it's expected to lead the league in sacks in your 2nd year? You realize top 10 picks bust all the time right? Freeney was a huge help to Beasley.. not even sure why you are trying to argue it. And the Falcons defense improved when Quinn took over after the bye week... big reason why they finished the season with 6 blowout victories until they played the Pats.

 

[Stash]

So because you are a top 10 pick it's expected to lead the league in sacks in your 2nd year? You realize top 10 picks bust all the time right? Freeney was a huge help to Beasley.. not even sure why you are trying to argue it.

Because it clearly kills his point. So he'd like to pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[Pants]

sign Freeney to mentor the kids (DWare, prior to retirement, would have been preferable) and sign Dumervil to show the kids how a nasty defense works

you have the money, DO IT

w/e, I digress, weekend is here and Beer O'Clock is nearing

 

[robjay04]

So because you are a top 10 pick it's expected to lead the league in sacks in your 2nd year? You realize top 10 picks bust all the time right? Freeney was a huge help to Beasley.. not even sure why you are trying to argue it. And the Falcons defense improved when Quinn took over after the bye week... big reason why they finished the season with 6 blowout victories until they played the Pats.

Because it clearly kills his point. So he'd like to pretend it doesn't exist.

Never said he wasn't a help.

Do we know if he would've reached his potential without Freeney? No....being a top 10 pick only says he had the potential with or without Freeney. It's not like Freeney's presence turned an average player or a bust into a stud. Nobody would've been surprised if Beasely made the same leap last season if the Falcons never signed Freeney.

I'm not sure if Beasely is going to be a regular sack leader based solely off of last season. He got almost half his sacks against two very bad offensive lines. He had 9 sacks in his other 14 games which is a very good number but it seems his numbers may have been inflated a bit. That's a little off topic though.

 

[robjay04]

sign Freeney to mentor the kids (DWare, prior to retirement, would have been preferable) and sign Dumervil to show the kids how a nasty defense works

you have the money, DO IT

w/e, I digress, weekend is here and Beer O'Clock is nearing

What defensive end do you cut to make room that you won't risk a drop off in production?

 

[Sydla]

It's funny the lengths people will go to push this notion older players have little value.

You have a player who was one of the best pass rushers in the league giving credit to Freeney for helping him reach his potential and some here want to argue that Beasley apparently doesn't have a clue what he is talking about?

LOL. That's is just about as awesome as it gets.

 

[Stash]

Never said he wasn't a help.

Do we know if he would've reached his potential without Freeney? No....being a top 10 pick only says he had the potential with or without Freeney. It's not like Freeney's presence turned an average player or a bust into a stud. Nobody would've been surprised if Beasely made the same leap last season if the Falcons never signed Freeney.

I'm not sure if Beasely is going to be a regular sack leader based solely off of last season. He got almost half his sacks against two very bad offensive lines. He had 9 sacks in his other 14 games which is a very good number but it seems his numbers may have been inflated a bit. That's a little off topic though.

Beasley himself credited Freeney for his success. Nobody's opinion counts more than his. Nobody's.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Has Dallas brought in Freeney or Elvis and offer them a contract yet?

I mean they could...still have heard nothing that says they are interested in them even though they are apparently cheap and great mentors. Seems at this point they will stick with what they have. Hmmm who would of thought the might have done that?

/sarcasm off

Of course down the road could be another story.