Where's the "like" button for the banner at the top of the page?

[iceberg]

I am enjoying the reaction to the banner more than the first 3.5 quarters of that game.

i've enjoyed forced fungus removal from sensitive places more than the first 3.5 quarters of the game...

 

[Beast_from_East]

not what it is. it's a banner for not giving up.

only a "low point" when you *do* give up.

I am not sure I get what you are saying, how exactly do spectators give up?

Fans, by definition, are spectators only that have no control over the outcome of the game. I was at my parent's house watching the game last night in Austin observing a game being played in Landover Maryland. When it came time for Bailey to kick the game winner, it didn't matter if I was yelling for it to be good or yelling for it to be bad, it would have no influence over the result. So if I said "I give up" and walked out of the room, does that mean Bailey misses the kick whereas if I stayed and said "hell no, I am in this till the end" would it have given extra distance to the kick? Of course not.

The only thing a fan can do is experience emotion from observing events he or she cannot control. You are either happy, mad, excited, depressed, confused, disgusted, or whatever other emotion you can think of to the events you are witnessing. That is the only thing a fan can "choose to do"

So having a banner on a fan site as "a sign of not giving up" doesn't make a lot of sense just based off the definitions of the words.

 

[iceberg]

I am not sure I get what you are saying, how exactly do spectators give up?

Fans, by definition, are spectators only that have no control over the outcome of the game. I was at my parent's house watching the game last night in Austin observing a game being played in Landover Maryland. When it came time for Bailey to kick the game winner, it didn't matter if I was yelling for it to be good or yelling for it to be bad, it would have no influence over the result. So if I said "I give up" and walked out of the room, does that mean Bailey misses the kick whereas if I stayed and said "hell no, I am in this till the end" would it have given extra distance to the kick? Of course not.

The only thing a fan can do is experience emotion from observing events he or she cannot control. You are either happy, mad, excited, depressed, confused, disgusted, or whatever other emotion you can think of to the events you are witnessing. That is the only thing a fan can "choose to do"

So having a banner on a fan site as "a sign of not giving up" doesn't make a lot of sense just based off the definitions of the words.

take it you didn't read further. from the lower depth of the rampage i did...

"losing won't guarantee a single thing except that we've accepted it. in this instance "we" isn't the general fan but the cowboys themselves."

 

[Tommy]

Winning a game to be 4-8 guarantees even less.

You need to go tell about 20 NFL teams that have no shot of winning the Super Bowl this year and are still trying to win. They are all doing it wrong!

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

hahaha the hate in this thread for anything positive for the cowboys.

Didn't they clearly explain that they're wanting a better draft pick and thus a better future? Isn't it just a different level of fandom? And couldn't some people just have more going on and thus don't NEED instant gratification. Studies show the brains that can put off instant pleasure for the greater good are more likely to succeed in life. Eat your vegetables, doing your push-ups, studying on a Friday Etc.


Don't really see how your post was good

 

[DCBoysfan]

LOVE THE BANNER..LOVE IT!!!!!!

 

[iceberg]

Didn't they clearly explain that they're wanting a better draft pick and thus a better future? Isn't it just a different level of fandom? And couldn't some people just have more going on and thus don't NEED instant gratification. Studies show the brains that can put off instant pleasure for the greater good are more likely to succeed in life. Eat your vegetables, doing your push-ups, studying on a Friday Etc.

Don't really see how your post was good

except it's more a "chance" at a better draft pick and a "chance" that player will pan out. there's a "chance" that someone won't trade ahead of us to take who we want...there's so much fail in this that i can't begin to describe how idiotic i see this mindset. if this is insulting sorry, i see it as idiotic. we've blown draft picks all across the board, high and low. there is NOTHING guaranteed about getting a higher draft pick except not having to make your pick around midnight and being able to go to bed sooner.

for THAT i would almost say lose a few games.

so if i'm reading your sarcasm correctly we agree. if not, then i make no sense here. but for the ADD crowd, at least this was a shorter post.

 

[Reality]

Didn't they clearly explain that they're wanting a better draft pick and thus a better future? Isn't it just a different level of fandom? And couldn't some people just have more going on and thus don't NEED instant gratification. Studies show the brains that can put off instant pleasure for the greater good are more likely to succeed in life. Eat your vegetables, doing your push-ups, studying on a Friday Etc.


Don't really see how your post was good

It's one thing to want the Cowboys to lose to get a higher draft pick. I don't agree with it, but I can understand their thinking. What I don't get is how after the Cowboys win, meaning the game is over .. it's done, some fans actually attack and insult other Cowboys fans for being happy for the win. It's not like if they don't post they are happy we won, they will stop being happy. They are going to be happy whether they post it or not. It's also not like the fans wanting the team to win have any effect on whether or not they win. Seriously, it's like some fans are delusional in thinking that as long as fans want the team to win, the Cowboys have a greater chance of winning.

 

[DallasEast]

Herman Edwards wasn't the best coach in the world but one thing he was correct in saying was, "You play to win the game." His declaration matches the competitive nature of sports for facing off against your opponent and striving for victory.

The future of the team, whether it's good, bad or falls somewhere in between, will happen beyond the control of fans.

Meanwhile, I hope this team never lies down and take it up the rear. Losing guarantees nothing.

To the site administrators and moderators, to each and every one of you, I have only one thing to say:

I am very proud of you.

 

[Dodger12]

Players play and they play for their jobs and livelihood. I didn't expect the players to quit last night no matter what a fan thinks might be better for the franchise in terms of draft position. The are two totally separate issues. People should evaluate what they saw on the field and what will get lost in all of this is that Garrett once again almost gave the game away at the end of the game. We were the brunt of the MNF post game jokes who compared us to a HS football team. This is what my team has been relegated to and the hand clapping of the WWE fan-base who want to be entertained.

-I like the way this team played D last night and wonder where those blitzes were all season long.
-Props to DLaw who gave fans a glimpse of what he's capable of.
-Props to Lee who had a good game that fans expect if he's healthy.
-Props to Whitehead who showed what speed can do but a fail to the staff for not using him earlier in the season and accepting fair catches all game long putting pressure on our offense to go down the field to score.
-Props to Baily who continues to be clutch. When you're kicker is the MVP, you've got some issues to consider.

-Fail to Cassell who looked like he had no clue and couldn't hit the side of a barn from 5 feet away.
-Fail to DMac for not understanding the situation at the end of the game and the turnovers that almost cost the game.
-Were the MNF guys correct that a converted WR was covering Dez throughout the game? Is our staff that inept that they couldn't identify the match-up and work the ball to Dez until they were in desperation mode?
-Big fail to Garrett for the way he handled the end of the game. No team can consistently overcome poor coaching and expect to consistently win in today's NFL.

A win is a win but what we saw is a far cry from a team that has been in some mystical process for 5 years.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Didn't they clearly explain that they're wanting a better draft pick and thus a better future? Isn't it just a different level of fandom? And couldn't some people just have more going on and thus don't NEED instant gratification. Studies show the brains that can put off instant pleasure for the greater good are more likely to succeed in life. Eat your vegetables, doing your push-ups, studying on a Friday Etc.


Don't really see how your post was good

This is a DALLAS COWBOYS FAN FORUM.

When people openly desire for the team to lose and they openly are arguing or belittling those that want the team to win...they are in the wrong forum.
It is really as simple as that.

People don't like it...I don't care.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Seems kinda self-contradicting given the negative post thread.

I mean, why would there have been any negative post over the last couple of months if the fans were happy with losses? Prior to last night, we had lost 8 out of 9 games, so in theory, shouldn't this place have been on cloud nine? Why the need to limit or move negative posts if so many of the fans have been happy during this time, as the banner insinuates?

Having a banner saying "Dedicated to the fans who are happy when the team loses" just above a sticky thread warning about being negative during the team's losing streak seems self-contradictory.

Why would happy fans need to be warned about being negative during a 7 game losing streak if losing makes them happy?

Doesn't make a lot of logic when you actually think about it.

 

[dragon_mikal]

Props to Reality...love the banner.

 

[Reality]

Having a banner saying "Dedicated to the fans who are happy when the team loses" just above a sticky thread warning about being negative during the team's losing streak seems self-contradictory.

Don't you see? We're just trying to add a little happiness to the sad users!

 

[iceberg]

Seems kinda self-contradicting given the negative post thread.

I mean, why would there have been any negative post over the last couple of months if the fans were happy with losses? Prior to last night, we had lost 8 out of 9 games, so in theory, shouldn't this place have been on cloud nine? Why the need to limit or move negative posts if so many of the fans have been happy during this time, as the banner insinuates?

Having a banner saying "Dedicated to the fans who are happy when the team loses" just above a sticky thread warning about being negative during the team's losing streak seems self-contradictory.

Why would happy fans need to be warned about being negative during a 7 game losing streak if losing makes them happy?

Doesn't make a lot of logic when you actually think about it.

no it doesn't so i wish they'd quit doing it.

 

[CATCH17]

Of course I did, but I didn't see those posts until we were 3-8. On the contrary, when Romo came back for Miami most of the threads were talking about how we were going to make a run. Thus, to say the fans were openly rooting for losses week in and week out is disingenuous.

The banner makes it sound like there are fans rooting against the team since week 1.............which obviously is misleading and not the case

Exactly.. Im still on team tank.

We're not getting in the playoffs and we won't be able to score enough points to keep up with Rodgers this week.

The time to win was a month ago.

 

[daveferr33]

All I wanted to do was enjoy the win against a division rival (and laugh at desean Jackson with some fellow fans).

But then I immediately realize just how far this franchise and its fans have fallen. Not sure what is more pathetic. Jason Garrett celebrating like he won the SB last night. Or the banner calling out so called negative fans when your team just won its fourth game of the season in the second week of December.

 

[iceberg]

Exactly.. Im still on team tank.

We're not getting in the playoffs and we won't be able to score enough points to keep up with Rodgers this week.

The time to win was a month ago.

go great. they decide this is the way to go and they lose. we're 4-12 who do you pick?

if too early to decide then it's too damn early to want the pick.

 

[CATCH17]

All I wanted to do was enjoy the win against a division rival (and laugh at desean Jackson with some fellow fans).

But then I immediately realize just how far this franchise and its fans have fallen. Not sure what is more pathetic. Jason Garrett celebrating like he won the SB last night. Or the banner calling out so called negative fans when your team just won its fourth game of the season in the second week of December.

I understand.

I just want what is best for the Cowboys long term.

Another year of Garrett and a worse draft pick is not the way to go.

I'm willing to set the forest on fire if everything grows back better than before.

 

[texbumthelife]

except i don't think it is. (in poor taste)

you see this mindset..."losing to win" i'll call it, has so many flaws that i can't help but think those doing it really have no idea what it takes to keep a team up and going and ensure that going into next year you don't do something you can't just "turn off". cause in this instance how do you turn off "losing to win" as a mindset? you can't. you've said it's OK now and people will run with it on their own terms beyond anything you can coach or control.

as for the banner in the forums calling them out, poking them with a stick, gleeful "revenge"? maybe. but how many times have we seen reality have to call out threads just to get people to stop ranting and raving in every thread possible, venting their own "anger" with every post? how many times has reality had to put a ENOUGH NEGATIVITY headline in the forums. how much "in poor taste" is it for people to come in here and do crap like that which *has* to be called out.

time and time again.

and even a zone created where they can rant and rave and be as negative as they wish - whatever makes them feel positive.

i'd say all those things have been done, many a dozen times by now. yet people still must "vent" to an overly annoying degree and in every post find a way to say something like "man, congrats on wittens 1000th catch!!! what an amazing accomplishment!!! surprised as hell he did it under garrett who can't coach!!! or - how jones found him who knows cause jones sucks! - and so on and so on.

how many threads have you seen drop to just that?

time and time again.

maybe it is in poor taste but there's only so much even "the good guys" can take and the high road, we'll get back to it later, i'm sure. but there are in fact times you just feel the need to butt-slap a child for acting like a child. always trying to go the "high road" just isn't possible or there never would have been a high road to always take. it would be the "only way".

now - if we did in fact lose out by trying, great. we get a good draft pick. historically what have we done with high draft picks? many of these people who want us to win out to get a higher draft pick will be happy with each loss and yet when the draft comes, start their "jones is gonna screw it up" postings. so why even root for a team, to lose, so you can ***** about the draft pick you got, only so we can go into the next year *****ing that we didn't take their pet cats and all those losses were for nothing because we didn't take THEIR favorite player on the board at the time.

time and time again.

so no. while i'd love to draft high that means a painful season and those are hard enough to get through even when losing due to all the stupid mistakes we make play in and play out. all those calling out to lose the rest of the games, i am curious, did they also go through 1-15? that was no fun but i kept wearing my jersey and i kept saying "one day" and the very next year i moved to dallas and bought my 1st NFL ticket to see the cowboys play the chargers and we started off that year with a win. felt fantastic.

the other day in going through old paperwork and things i thought i'd thrown out LONG ago - i found another ticket i bought for me and 2 friends to see the cowboys, still in irving at the time, play seattle. it was a pretty amazing game overall. what was so special about that game? well, other than sitting there with my friends?

oh yea, a rushing record by a man called emmitt. yea, that was so damn cool to see live and still having that ticket to the game? pretty special to me.

so i don't watch people paid millions to lose. i don't care if the season is over, i don't care if we'll lose a few spots in the draft and may cost whinerboys all over the world angst that they just lost 5% more of a chance to get their pet cat and i certainly don't care if someone is "offended" that there are those of us happy to see us win.

let me ask those who say TANK IT a question - how do you turn that off? you have just set a price on losing and placed a random draft pick somewhere in the future that today has ZERO value over having players play through adversity and "learning" to win when it's one of the most difficult things you can do?

how do you "next year" say OK NOW WE MEAN IT!!!! you've shown that you get hit and you fall down.

you don't get back up and try again. you wait until fictitious help comes along in the draft and next year will erase the bitter memories we're unfortunately creating this year? how do you tell kids who watch "oh, it's ok to lose if it helps you later" when the definition of "lose" is now welded to "ok"? regardless of the reason this would be YOUR reason, or belief, we'll somehow get the next great qb in the draft by just losing out. the team will come back next year going "gosh, i'm glad thats over with, we now have johnny football (not THAT one) here who will save the team!"

you are in fact teaching them and people who watch that you feel it's ok to lose in order to get help to win because you're simply incapable of doing it yourself. watching this team that's not far off, now is it? oh, except we're better than 1-15 already and stranger things have happened.

yes we may get blown out *if* some crazy season or reason 8-8 gets us in there. we sure *may*. but if we get there do we tank it to slide up 1 spot in the draft?

do we tank it and tell the team "sure, y'all suck and go ahead and lose so we can get some winners in here".

or do we tank it and then have parents watch kids go "hey i'm losing so i can get better later" in choices they make in their life.

how can it ever be possible to instill a losing mindset in a team and then turn around and expect them to later NOT want to tank things for their own reason.

would you want to play for a team who said "hey, we suck so lose"?

i damn sure don't want to watch one just for some oddball chance we MAY get a good qb in the draft who MAY be as good as romo one day (who didn't cost us a draft pick) or maybe hell, another clairborne is taken to upset so many cause they just suck. then that self-same group of "ok to lose" will be mad they went through a season of loss to get to a better pick only to not take who they felt we should, invalidating the entire premise of "losing to win" will be back in here *****ing about that.

time and time again.

losing won't guarantee a single thing except that we've accepted it. in this instance "we" isn't the general fan but the cowboys themselves. the day this team accepts losing is a path to winning well then what the hell is the point of even watching the game? so i'll end it by asking that - those who WANT us to lose out for a draft pick...

...you gonna still watch every single game? you gonna get happy when we fumble, throw in int, or get sacked and dance around for the other team or hate it? you gonna tell yourself as you watch that crap that it's ok - johnny football must be coming to save the day? (still not *that* one). you gonna get pissed when we do things like...i dunno...win?

are you really *that* ... "fan"?

if so more power to you and great. at least you're firm in your convictions and will stand by the team, even when they are not even trying or don't want to. you do that.

i think it sucks and i will +1 it when those people are called out and have no issue at all blowing the **** out of the bridge on the "high road" a few times to express how stupid i feel that line of thinking is.

their right to *****. my right to return fire.

time and time again.

First of all, whatever you drank with your breakfast, I need some of that. Diatribe much?

Second, I never have and never would root for a loss so your angst is lost and wasted in response to me. I was in the game thread rooting for the win the entire time. I have even defended the win in threads where people are bashing it.

All the banner would have to say is, "Dedicated to the Fans Who Are Happy We Won" and I would have no issue. As it's worded and done, it's a clear incitement and something that if posted in reverse, would get moved or deleted as a thread. I am all for sticking together as guys who want the team to win no matter what. I always have the back of those people. Poking fun at a sect of fans and egging them on is as childish as it gets and with the standard the moderators are trying to hold posters to around here, most recently in particular, it's out of place.

Then again, I just post here so what do I know.