Who is the better... Brady or Aikman?

[Hostile]

This is the stuff that I hate about the rotoball generation. Its like people can't look at PLAYERS they look at NUMBERS.

It's the times we live in RC, and I totally agree.

 

[dbair1967]

This is the stuff that I hate about the rotoball generation. Its like people can't look at PLAYERS they look at NUMBERS. Aikman was a better talent, a player with better physical abilities, and then was the winningest QB of any decade on top of that. All the stuff about best WR, RB, defense, etc is in the eye of beholder, and even gets changed by the same people depending upon which argument they want to make.

I take Troy against Brady with the exact same teams, and I'll win most of the time.

totally agree...and probably 75% of mroe of the people claiming Brady is "way better" never even saw Aikman in his prime

from a talent standpoint there is absolutely no argument whatsoever...Aikman was a way better QB...stronger more accurate arm, made less bad throws on a weekly basis (and most weeks didnt make any bad throws) and played against FAR better teams...

David

 

[Jarv]

Troy also won Superbowls with different coach's. Brady has had the benifit of the same HC (and a good one at that) during his reign. If Jimmy had stayed through Troys career, we might not even be having this argument now.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Montana had Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Brent Jones, and Roger Craig, guess there's no contest between him and Brady either *end sarcasm*

 

[rcaldw]

Troy also won Superbowls with different coach's. Brady has had the benifit of the same HC (and a good one at that) during his reign. If Jimmy had stayed through Troys career, we might not even be having this argument now.

Jarv, that is an outstanding point.

 

[Cowchips]

Troy also won Superbowls with different coach's. Brady has had the benifit of the same HC (and a good one at that) during his reign. If Jimmy had stayed through Troys career, we might not even be having this argument now.

Wow, talk about reaching deep to justify a failed argument I heard Aikman was also forced to play with had 1 hand tied behind his back and blindfolded!!

 

[Zippy Speedster]

What have we really, honestly seen of Brady as of yet? The guy was placed right into a perfect situation with a winning team already around him, Troy started in about the lowest spot a QB in the history of the game has ever started...0-11 his rookie season.

Troy was a pivital element to a dynasty being built, Tom was a last piece busdriver with a good head on his shoulder and a little "ice" in his veins.

Troy was one of the highest touted QBs coming out of college in years, Tom was a last thought, they got lucky, 2nd day draft pick.

Troy showed his talent all through high school, college, and then never stopped impressing all the way throughout his pro career, and again Tom was a 2nd day afterthought that someone just happen to get lucky with.

Troy was battling for the highest honor a college football player can accomplish, on the national stage, Tom was battling to keep some nobody named Drew Henson off his heals...somewhere up north in whocaresland.

Troy had such a good head on his shoulders, right from day one, America's Team intrusted him with the future, something that hardly ever happens regardless if you're the top pick or not - Brady sat on the bench waiting for Bledsoe to get injured. Had Bledsoe not gotten hurt, who really knows if Brady would have seen the field ever, let alone anytime in the last three years. I mean seriously think about it, how fast does Brady ever see the field if Drew stays healthy and he's the one that takes the Pats to that first super bowl? Do you think they go into the next season, right after a super bowl win, and change QBs then? And what if Drew takes them to that second bowl, still never getting injured, at which point does anyone honestly think the Pats yank Bled for some 6th round selection from a few years earlier whose done nothing but warm pine under his youknowwhat?

This is a ******** comparision and should be deleted. Brady has done nothing but rid coattails since his introduction into this league, Aikman handstitched those coattails so others could ride his, the end! Oh, and he did it while being blindsided from every which way except from inside his head, and even then his brain was probably rattling a few times in his skull...still handstitching a limited edition masterpiece quilt that would end with three super bowl trophies on it. Know what he was doing in his sparetime? Yea, neither do I really, but we know he wasn't busy trying to act all "cutsie" for the whole world and every camera that shined his way, business never stopped. He was Troy Aikman, the type of man you build a dynasty around, nothing else, nothing less, and certainly not comparible to a 6th round draft pick...not ever comparable to that. 3 rings, the end of comparisons, nobody in their right mind looks at Brady and sees all the intangables that made up what we got when we drafted #8.

Plus i'd like to see how fast Brady would crack if his team really started losing, when all the pressure started being placed squarely on his shoulders. (Look at McFlabb in Philly) It's easy to win. I think we even started to see a bit of his "slip-of-character" in the still playoff season they had last season, there at the end.

That first ring he has, that also belongs to Bledsoe, not Brady.

The Brady-Love around here, that belongs to Henson, too. None of yall really like Brady that much, you're just so in love with Henson that you're hoping beyond hope that since Bledsoe is here and we're so close that history can repeat itself with another michigan QB. Careful though, I mean really think about that. It's that whole "careful what you wish for" saying. Can already feel it warming up it's swing to pop us one in the grill a good hard one.

 

[Chuck 54]

I think it's too close to call, but Brady throws a much better deep ball than Aikman...the long ball was always his weakest throw, underthrown or overthrown....eventually, he took something off and let Irvin and others catch the deep one thrown short and get tackled rather than keep throwing it too far.

 

[Mansta54]

Aikman!!!

 

[mperfection]

As far as skill level-- Aikman. Not even close.

THAT is a homer quote if I've EVER read one.
Brady - hands down!

 

[mperfection]

What have we really, honestly seen of Brady as of yet? The guy was placed right into a perfect situation with a winning team already around him, Troy started in about the lowest spot a QB in the history of the game has ever started...0-11 his rookie season.

Troy was a pivital element to a dynasty being built, Tom was a last piece busdriver with a good head on his shoulder and a little "ice" in his veins.

Troy was one of the highest touted QBs coming out of college in years, Tom was a last thought, they got lucky, 2nd day draft pick.

Troy showed his talent all through high school, college, and then never stopped impressing all the way throughout his pro career, and again Tom was a 2nd day afterthought that someone just happen to get lucky with.

Troy was battling for the highest honor a college football player can accomplish, on the national stage, Tom was battling to keep some nobody named Drew Henson off his heals...somewhere up north in whocaresland.

Troy had such a good head on his shoulders, right from day one, America's Team intrusted him with the future, something that hardly ever happens regardless if you're the top pick or not - Brady sat on the bench waiting for Bledsoe to get injured. Had Bledsoe not gotten hurt, who really knows if Brady would have seen the field ever, let alone anytime in the last three years. I mean seriously think about it, how fast does Brady ever see the field if Drew stays healthy and he's the one that takes the Pats to that first super bowl? Do you think they go into the next season, right after a super bowl win, and change QBs then? And what if Drew takes them to that second bowl, still never getting injured, at which point does anyone honestly think the Pats yank Bled for some 6th round selection from a few years earlier whose done nothing but warm pine under his youknowwhat?

This is a ******** comparision and should be deleted. Brady has done nothing but rid coattails since his introduction into this league, Aikman handstitched those coattails so others could ride his, the end! Oh, and he did it while being blindsided from every which way except from inside his head, and even then his brain was probably rattling a few times in his skull...still handstitching a limited edition masterpiece quilt that would end with three super bowl trophies on it. Know what he was doing in his sparetime? Yea, neither do I really, but we know he wasn't busy trying to act all "cutsie" for the whole world and every camera that shined his way, business never stopped. He was Troy Aikman, the type of man you build a dynasty around, nothing else, nothing less, and certainly not comparible to a 6th round draft pick...not ever comparable to that. 3 rings, the end of comparisons, nobody in their right mind looks at Brady and sees all the intangables that made up what we got when we drafted #8.

Plus i'd like to see how fast Brady would crack if his team really started losing, when all the pressure started being placed squarely on his shoulders. (Look at McFlabb in Philly) It's easy to win. I think we even started to see a bit of his "slip-of-character" in the still playoff season they had last season, there at the end.

That first ring he has, that also belongs to Bledsoe, not Brady.

The Brady-Love around here, that belongs to Henson, too. None of yall really like Brady that much, you're just so in love with Henson that you're hoping beyond hope that since Bledsoe is here and we're so close that history can repeat itself with another michigan QB. Careful though, I mean really think about that. It's that whole "careful what you wish for" saying. Can already feel it warming up it's swing to pop us one in the grill a good hard one.

Wow! The man-love for Aikman is beyond reason. Man-for-man, Brady has NEVER had the talent around him that Aikman had in '92-'94. They BOTH have 3 SB's, each in 4 years, and--again--man-for-man Brady's had less talent around him.

Forget all of that stuff about Aikman being the #1 pick in the draft and being "intrusted" with America's team. If draft position meant something, then why did the Cowboys release the #1 pick in the '96 draft this past offseason in favor of a 3rd round pick from the same draft? Brady was simply a diamond in the rough, and for that he shouldn't be "penalized" in comparison to Aikman's
"obvious" talent.

Care to argue which was the better VALUE pick between Aikman and Brady?

 

[mperfection]

This is the stuff that I hate about the rotoball generation. Its like people can't look at PLAYERS they look at NUMBERS. Aikman was a better talent, a player with better physical abilities, and then was the winningest QB of any decade on top of that. All the stuff about best WR, RB, defense, etc is in the eye of beholder, and even gets changed by the same people depending upon which argument they want to make.

I take Troy against Brady with the exact same teams, and I'll win most of the time.

...Only if it's in your imagination.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Wow! The man-love for Aikman is beyond reason. Man-for-man, Brady has NEVER had the talent around him that Aikman had in '92-'94. They BOTH have 3 SB's, each in 4 years, and--again--man-for-man Brady's had less talent around him.

If Aikman had the better talent around him those four years, he also had better competition as well. Like I've already said in this thread, you can't have it both ways.

To me, Aikman was Robo-QB. The guy rarely made mistakes. When he was in his prime, he was the most efficient QB bar none, put his team ahead for good, and let the running game and defense kick in. Games were over by halftime. Contrary to popular opinion, and from Aikman's own mouth (words I heard with my own ears), the Cowboys didn't set up the pass with the run, they actually set up the run with the pass. That is the mark of a great QB.

 

[mperfection]

If Aikman had the better talent around him those four years, he also had better competition as well. Like I've already said in this thread, you can't have it both ways.

To me, Aikman was Robo-QB. The guy rarely made mistakes. When he was in his prime, he was the most efficient QB bar none, put his team ahead for good, and let the running game and defense kick in. Games were over by halftime. Contrary to popular opinion, and from Aikman's own mouth, the Cowboys didn't set up the pass with the run, they actually set up the run with the pass. That is the mark of a great QB.

I'm not having it both ways. It was not solely Aikman's arm that allowed the Cowboys to put teams away early...they had a powerful offensive line, perennial probowl RB, and stout defense. Aikman was a very good QB, but he rarely had to put his team on his shoulders and win. It was Brady's arm that put the Pats within a field goal of winning two Super Bowls.

And as much as I am delighted about the '96 SB win against the Steelers, let's face it: if it had not have been for two boneheaded mistakes by O'Donnell, Pittsburgh could have very well have won that SB. And if that had been the case, there would be even less of an argument as to who is the better QB.

 

[jackrussell]

Henson will NEVER amount to anything in this leauge unless it has a little (e) after it.

Terry Glenn is the most over-rated Cowboy ever and this year will show it.

Bobby Carpenter, who?

BILL PARCELLS is here through the 2009 season...possibly longer...possibly until we cart his dead corpse off the field. Jimmy Johnson returns shortly thereafter to coach us again.

Our next "franchise" QB's name is not Drew Henson or Brady Quinn.

You know, your sig is as long as most of my posts.....

...and about as informative.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I'm not having it both ways. It was not solely Aikman's arm that allowed the Cowboys to put teams away early...they had a powerful offensive line, perennial probowl RB, and stout defense. Aikman was a very good QB, but he rarely had to put his team on his shoulders and win. It was Brady's arm that put the Pats within a field goal of winning two Super Bowls.

That's your selective biased opinion. It was Brady's offensive line that gave him time to throw, it was his receivers who got open, it was his running back who picked up a blitzing linebacker, or it was a poor defensive play by the defending team. You, see I can do exactly the same thing.

And as much as I am delighted about the '96 SB win against the Steelers, let's face it: if it had not have been for two boneheaded mistakes by O'Donnell, Pittsburgh could have very well have won that SB. And if that had been the case, there would be even less of an argument as to who is the better QB.

And if it wasn't for some bizarre, non-existent "tuck" rule, the Patriots might not even have a single SB to speak of. See how easy that was?

 

[Emiliano]

Aikman is a lot better, Brady had a better kicker that gave him to rings. Without Adam Vinatieri, the Pats, would have to less rings then they do right know.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I will give Troy the nod, since he won his Super Bowls for the Cowboys.....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And if it wasn't for some bizarre, non-existent "tuck" rule, the Patriots might not even have a single SB to speak of. See how easy that was?

Brady is great, but I give as much credit to the Pat's 34 as I give to him for those 3 Super Bowls, that kinda brings him down to Aikman's level

 

[Hostile]

If Aikman had the better talent around him those four years, he also had better competition as well. Like I've already said in this thread, you can't have it both ways.

To me, Aikman was Robo-QB. The guy rarely made mistakes. When he was in his prime, he was the most efficient QB bar none, put his team ahead for good, and let the running game and defense kick in. Games were over by halftime. Contrary to popular opinion, and from Aikman's own mouth (words I heard with my own ears), the Cowboys didn't set up the pass with the run, they actually set up the run with the pass. That is the mark of a great QB.

Not only did Aikman's Cowboys face stiffer competition than Brady's Patriots, but they dominated their opponents as opposed to relying on the kicker to save them from defeat.

It isn't a diss on Brady. Great QB, but I seriously doubt he could push Aikman aside as he did Bledsoe. No way.