Who still thinks Zeke was a mistake at #4?

[ondaedg]

I said he'd need 1800 yards and 10tds to justify the pick. He's on his way to doing that.

 

[Kaiser]

RB is never a gaping need. And certainly less so for a team with our line. We turned McFadden an old bad scheme fit into a pro bowler. By all means draft a RB. Just not at 4. And again I'll point to Sproles who last night was every bit the weapon Zeke was. With less help around him.

And we'll have to agree to disagree that Ramsey as a prospect was a "huge step down" from Zeke as a prospect. I'm happy to side with every NFL GM and scout.

Sproles has the same cap hit as Zeke and he would never hold up as a full time RB. He would also get our QB killed in pass protection, so you would have two starters on IR at midseason.

I can point to one game where Dunbar was a better weapon than Sproles, but that doesn't mean it applies over the course of a season or several seasons. Zeke is going to be dominant for five years or more.

 

[Kaiser]

And we'll have to agree to disagree that Ramsey as a prospect was a "huge step down" from Zeke as a prospect. I'm happy to side with every NFL GM and scout.

"Every NFL GM and Scout" don't agree on any player, much less on Ramsey.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Not drafting RBs high is the right rule, but the rules are made for the many and not the few. Zeke is the few - he was BPA and filled a gaping need and plays a skill position.

The other part of that argument is that taking a defensive player at 4 was likely a huge step down in quality.

You can get by with journeymen RBs but you aren't going to be a dominant team. You will with Zeke. And Sproles had a better YPC last night but he only has two games this season with more than 10 carries and this was his season high with 15 carries. If you tried to make him your full time RB over a full season he would last four games before he landed on the IR with an injury.

Zeke is a special talent not just any running back and we are not 6-1 without his talents.

Positional value does not matter when drafting elite talent, Zeke is indeed elite.

Eagles obviously have a better defensive front than the Cowboys and your argument on Sproles is on point, look at the total body of work.

 

[Kaiser]

Positional value does not matter when drafting elite talent, Zeke is indeed elite.

Exactly, the argument that you can always win with a journeyman RB is the same as arguing that Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl, so you don't need an upper tier QB.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Sproles has the same cap hit as Zeke and he would never hold up as a full time RB. He would also get our QB killed in pass protection, so you would have two starters on IR at midseason.

I can point to one game where Dunbar was a better weapon than Sproles, but that doesn't mean it applies over the course of a season or several seasons. Zeke is going to be dominant for five years or more.

Looking at a 1 year cap hit is remedial salary cap analysis. Let's look at Guaranteed money. Zeke has 5x that on Sproles. Lets look at cost. Zeke cost us a 4. Sproles was free for the taking.

I'm not saying we should have signed Sproles. But had I been GM we'd have Ramsey who is enjoying a good rookie year on a bad team ready to step up for the time Mo will miss and provide us leverage in contract negotiations with Mo and Carr (should we decide to bring him back). And i'd have Lamar Miller enjoying a career year finally on a good offense.

What I wouldn't have is a RB in the top 4 of the draft having a great season....the same type of great season we got 2 years ago from a 3rd round running back.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

"Every NFL GM and Scout" don't agree on any player, much less on Ramsey.

I never saw anyone say that Ramsey was a huge drop off from Zeke. The Cowboys didn't even think that as the decision came down to the wire.

But by all means ignore the facts...

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I said he'd need 1800 yards and 10tds to justify the pick. He's on his way to doing that.

So what Murray did as a 3rd rounder in this offense?

 

[Rogerthat12]

"Every NFL GM and Scout" don't agree on any player, much less on Ramsey.

Many top scouts thought he would be a better fit at safety, Brugler being one of them on the matter.

Others thought he may be a better corner, others not sure what they would do with him accordingly.

The Cowboys went with the better fit for their team in the end for success.

 

[Kaiser]

What I wouldn't have is a RB in the top 4 of the draft having a great season....the same type of great season we got 2 years ago from a 3rd round running back.

You are defeating your own argument there. Tashard Choice was a Dallas 3rd round pick also, do you want the teams playoff chances depending on him also?

DeMarco was a 3rd round pick but was rated as a 1st on the Dallas draft board. He fell because of injuries in college and was still considered an injury risk for several seasons. And even then, he didn't have a 1000 yard rushing season until his third year in the NFL.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

It's not worth it arguing with TM. He repeats the same recycled lines over and over, offering ridiculous one-off examples like Booker. No, it's not hard to find a guy who can get you yards; it is, however, crazy hard to find a RB who can week in and out catch the ball well, block well, AND lead the NFL in rushing over two guys who have played an additional game. The Rasmey supporters' hubris is larger than their logic.

 

[Kaiser]

So what Murray did as a 3rd rounder in this offense?

DeMarco has played 6 seasons in the NFL and averaged 997 yards per season, even including that one glory year.

 

[Old'Boyfan]

I'll come clean.
I initially wanted Wentz. Bad. When Philly made their trade I then wanted Ramsey, badly. I wasn't 100% against picking Zeke but I thought Morris would work out just fine. After seeing the difference Zeke has made he absolutely was the right choice. Of course I'm wrong at least 60% of the time so......

 

[TheRomoSexual]

DeMarco has played 6 seasons in the NFL and averaged 997 yards per season, even including that one glory year.

Yup. Bringing up Murray is a self-defeating argument.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I love the pick of Zeke. I love it even more with every passing game.

 

[ondaedg]

So what Murray did as a 3rd rounder in this offense?

Keep in mind that this oline caught alot of teams by surprise in 2014. That cat is out of the bag now and teams are much more prepared for our running game which is why I am impressed with our success running the ball thus far.

 

[joseephuss]

I said he'd need 1800 yards and 10tds to justify the pick. He's on his way to doing that.

So he would need to be near the rookie rushing record to be worth it?

I don't think he needed to produce that highly to warrant the pick. If they drafted a DB, that DB wouldn't need double digit interceptions to warrant the pick. If they drafted a DE, that guy wouldn't need 18 sacks to warrant the pick. A single season of great success also doesn't warrant the pick. We won't know Elliot's true measure of success for several years hopefully.

 

[Kaiser]

It's not worth it arguing with TM. He repeats the same recycled lines over and over, offering ridiculous one-off examples like Booker. No, it's not hard to find a guy who can get you yards; it is, however, crazy hard to find a RB who can week in and out catch the ball well, block well, AND lead the NFL in rushing over two guys who have played an additional game. The Rasmey supporters' hubris is larger than their logic.

I like TM and I thought Ramsey would be the pick, but I can also say that I was wrong and am happy that I was.

 

[windjc]

Nobody said Zeke wasn't going to be a beast. We said RBs don't last as long and are easier to replace than other positions. Zeke has been a stud and has helped us more than Ramsey (or whomever) would have so far this season. But it's only been 7 games into year 1. We need to see Zeke stay healthy for 5 years and justify a 2nd contract before we say he was the right pick. It's just too early.

How about a Superbowl? Would that be ok too?

 

[TheRomoSexual]

I like TM and I thought Ramsey would be the pick, but I can also say that I was wrong and am happy that I was.

I like TM too, but he's being really weird about this.