Why are people acting like getting Lee back is a "bonus"?

[CyberB0b]

LOL "forked tail doctor killer"

GA industry saying: If not for the Bonanza, the world would be overrun by doctors and lawyers.

Well, I am a 4300 hour ATP. Beechcraft doesn't make bad airplanes. I have a BE-300 type and I used to fly SA-227 in Mexico with no GPS, AP, or FD. Let me tell you. Beechcraft makes a damned good airplane.

 

[Doomsay]

Well, I am a 4300 hour ATP. Beechcraft doesn't make bad airplanes. I have a BE-300 type and I used to fly SA-227 in Mexico with no GPS, AP, or FD. Let me tell you. Beechcraft makes a damned good airplane.

Oh, I know - it's the over their heads casual pilots with too much plane, not the airframe.

 

[theogt]

I never would have guessed Murray would stay healthy and put up 1800+ yards. I'd never have guessed Terence Newman would have multiple healthy, good years after leaving Dallas. Or that Romo could have the season he had, even after suffering more back damage. Heck, Leary wasn't supposed to have an NFL career if you asked some experts.

In my mind, injuries (or the lack thereof) are just flukes. Maybe some people are injury prone. But I'm not sure that's even medically sound analysis, and many people that have been labeled as such have gone on to play long strings of healthy football. So until proven otherwise I pretty much expect a player to be healthy and play.

 

[jobberone]

I haven't seen any workup of multiple major connective tissue injury statistics in the NCAA + NFL, most players aren't probably good enough to survive more than one in their careers, but I'd imagine that Sean is somewhat of an outlier as far as incidence rates are concerned. There are known genetic connective tissue disorders, as well as structural bio-mechanical deficiencies. My orthopedic surgeon at Penn - Bartolozzi, said that there was a degree of variability in connective tissue strength that seemed to be independent of muscle strength and overall conditioning on the pro football and hockey players that he treated in Philly. He was indirectly answering my question about why I had never broken any limbs or had any major muscle tears despite tearing multiple ligaments and tendons in my ankles knee and shoulders.

Sean may be just really really statistically unlucky, or he might have some physical limitations that will occur with regularity, I'm not saying that you can prove that latter, but I don't think that you can discount it either.

I would bet you and he are right. There almost certainly is a degree of strength in connective tissue across the spectrum. They are not all alike. But the energies directed at the knee which tear the ACL are basically strong enough to tear almost any ligament. And certainly at times enough to tear them all. It's more a matter of energy and vector of impact than strength of ligament.

When you look you see some torn apart in degrees from not much to complete. At times the complete tears are just pulled apart near the middle and others shredded; and in others they are virtually disintegrated. Some are pulled loose from the femur and others the insertion. These latter can be reduced with modern techniques of repair. You cannot eliminate the disruption of the ligament itself just reduce pulling them loose from origin and insertion. A thicker cadaver ligament or constructed autologous one helps disruption of the ligament.

But yes some ligaments may survive when others will be disrupted. Just not a lot IMHO.

 

[Tabascocat]

I would bet you and he are right. There almost certainly is a degree of strength in connective tissue across the spectrum. They are not all alike. But the energies directed at the knee which tear the ACL are basically strong enough to tear almost any ligament. And certainly at times enough to tear them all. It's more a matter of energy and vector of impact than strength of ligament.

When you look you see some torn apart in degrees from not much to complete. At times the complete tears are just pulled apart near the middle and others shredded; and in others they are virtually disintegrated. Some are pulled loose from the femur and others the insertion. These latter can be reduced with modern techniques of repair. You cannot eliminate the disruption of the ligament itself just reduce pulling them loose from origin and insertion. A thicker cadaver ligament or constructed autologous one helps disruption of the ligament.

But yes some ligaments may survive when others will be disrupted. Just not a lot IMHO.

Who are you, a doctor or something???

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Might not have been healthy often until now

But at least he hasn't quit on us

Just ask the Niners

This board would be devastated if he retired

I think devastated is a bit overstated. Last season I rarely ever thought about him once they got rolling.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm pretty sure he tore the right ACL at Penn State and the left one here, unless you are talking about some other injury.

Yes, the left knee had a partial tear while in college, but surgery wasn't done.

 

[percyhoward]

Where's the chicken fried steak?

Still available.

 

[jobberone]

Yes, the left knee had a partial tear while in college, but surgery wasn't done.

Did he have a clean up/shave the ligament or did they just read the MR and leave it alone?

 

[Hook'em#11]

A bonus? For when.? Certainly not in the Regular Season. Let's not aim too high here. Training camp is still around the corner.

I, for one, would not be "devastated", or, really even bothered if he didn't return. I forgot about him by the first week.

 

[jobberone]

Who are you, a doctor or something???

I'm a fisherman, husband, father, son, brother and grandfather. It's a full time job.

 

[tyke1doe]

Because he is changing positions and won't take the beating

The man injured his ACL in practice. If the grass can give you a beating, I don't think a change in position is going to help. Just saying.

 

[tyke1doe]

Who are you, a doctor or something???

No. But he did stay at a Holiday Inn.

 

[Doomsay]

I would bet you and he are right. There almost certainly is a degree of strength in connective tissue across the spectrum. They are not all alike. But the energies directed at the knee which tear the ACL are basically strong enough to tear almost any ligament. And certainly at times enough to tear them all. It's more a matter of energy and vector of impact than strength of ligament.

When you look you see some torn apart in degrees from not much to complete. At times the complete tears are just pulled apart near the middle and others shredded; and in others they are virtually disintegrated. Some are pulled loose from the femur and others the insertion. These latter can be reduced with modern techniques of repair. You cannot eliminate the disruption of the ligament itself just reduce pulling them loose from origin and insertion. A thicker cadaver ligament or constructed autologous one helps disruption of the ligament.

But yes some ligaments may survive when others will be disrupted. Just not a lot IMHO.

Yes, clean mid snap of my ACL, I remember the "positive" MRI - donor ligament more rigid than OEM (apparently).

 

[Stryker44]

Is Spencer Lee the son of Sean Lee?

 

[burmafrd]

I never would have guessed Murray would stay healthy and put up 1800+ yards. I'd never have guessed Terence Newman would have multiple healthy, good years after leaving Dallas. Or that Romo could have the season he had, even after suffering more back damage. Heck, Leary wasn't supposed to have an NFL career if you asked some experts.

In my mind, injuries (or the lack thereof) are just flukes. Maybe some people are injury prone. But I'm not sure that's even medically sound analysis, and many people that have been labeled as such have gone on to play long strings of healthy football. So until proven otherwise I pretty much expect a player to be healthy and play.

ignoring a players injury history is just plain dumb.

 

[rwalters31]

And with that being said

I don't think it mattered which position he was playing last year...he would've tore his acl either way...so I'm also not buying all this position change stuff

We just need to get luck w him

The greatest player who never played!!

 

[theogt]

ignoring a players injury history is just plain dumb.

If it's a recurring injury, yes. It they're completely unrelated, no.

 

[Zekeats]

The man injured his ACL in practice. If the grass can give you a beating, I don't think a change in position is going to help. Just saying.

An acl injury can happen to anyone at anytime.....so Darrell revis is an injury waiting to happen too?

 

[cowboyfan4lyfe]

I hope because Lee is coming back the Cowboys think McClain is expendable. Cause he is not.