Why are we desperately hanging on to an 8-8 team?

[Verdict]

You could be right, but as long as Romo, Ware, and Witten, are producing at a high level, Jerry will continue to try and build around them to contend.

I think that reasonable minds can differ about whether the current core group of players including Romo can get it done. If the Cowboys think that we can still win a super bowl with Romo and Company, I don't think that is an entirely unreasonable thought, even though I can also see the other side of that coin.

 

[jjktkk]

I think that reasonable minds can differ about whether the current core group of players including Romo can get it done. If the Cowboys think that we can still win a super bowl with Romo and Company, I don't think that is an entirely unreasonable thought, even though I can also see the other side of that coin.

Totally agree. Good arguements for both sides of the coin.

 

[Verdict]

I would have no problem building around them if they had won anything..something...I mean they have ONE playoff win.

. Get in line!

Under your method of thinking, Marino should have been jettisoned at some point early in his career because he did not win a ring. The Dolphins did not fail to win a super bowl because of Marino, it was because of his supporting cast. You don't cut off your nose to spite your face, or throw the baby out with the bath water.

The issue of whether or not Romo is good enough to win is the subject of legitimate debate (personally I think he can) but to say that Romo should be jettisoned because his supporting cast isn't good enough to win a ring is a flawed thought process.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This is an 8-8 team pointing upwards, not downwards. That's why!

Upward? What indicates that? Barring a stunning signing of 2 great O linemen, 2 great defensive front liners and 2 great safeties, this team (as it stands right now) seem destined to another 8-8 season. If we are lucky.

I do hope you have some proof of an upward trajectory, because I would love to have some hope.

 

[burmafrd]

we are a playoff contender.

But not a SB contender. Those that claim anything can happen ignore the reality that the teams that win the SB are overall much better then we are.

Even the Ravens by the end of the season were much better. When we played them they were about at their worst.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Okay. Jerry makes silly decisions, but try and aynalize the Cowboy's roster and explain to me how the core of players I mentioned are "silly"? And yes I'll give you permission to ask a grownup if my request might boggle your noggin alittle bit.

Whatcha know about rockin' the world from your noggin'.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Under your method of thinking, Marino should have been jettisoned at some point early in his career because he did not win a ring. The Dolphins did not fail to win a super bowl because of Marino, it was because of his supporting cast. You don't cut off your nose to spite your face, or throw the baby out with the bath water.

The issue of whether or not Romo is good enough to win is the subject of legitimate debate (personally I think he can) but to say that Romo should be jettisoned because his supporting cast isn't good enough to win a ring is a flawed thought process.

My earlier post said nobody but the QB should be off limits. You could argue Ware should be off limits. But the Steelers just moved on from Harrison. The Pats moved on from Seymour. Both organizations have shown that they know what they are doing. Aging injured players do not get better....they just get older..he will probably remain solid..but over the course of 16 games his productivity will dip and the potential for injury increases.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

we are a playoff contender.

But not a SB contender. Those that claim anything can happen ignore the reality that the teams that win the SB are overall much better then we are.

Even the Ravens by the end of the season were much better. When we played them they were about at their worst.

^^^^This. The Ravens have been in the playoffs every year Harbaugh has been the head coach...and if Lee Evans holds onto the ball they make the Super Bowl the year before. I laugh at people who point to the Giants record as proof ANYONE can get hot once they get in. The Giants are a much better organization from top to bottom...I think they have been in the Super Bowl 3 times since 2000. Super Bowl talk out of Dallas is just craziness to me. We have to MAKE the playoffs. Then we have to WIN 3 or 4 playoff games. Nothing about this current roster screams we are a canidate to MAKE the playoffs, let alone win a Super Bowl.

 

[DoomsDayD]

This is an 8-8 team pointing upwards, not downwards. That's why!

I said it in another thread,we are chasing that elusive 9 win season.

 

[Doomsday]

he does this because he knows the dallas brain trust is horrible at evaluating talent and he is therefore scared to let even average talent walk because he has no confidence in their ability to replenish the roster

If that is truly the case, than why hasnt he replaced the Dallas brain trust? Any way you shake it out, it is Jerry's responsibility to ensure the franchise is well run and is making good decisions.

 

[jnday]

This current group wasn't around then. Doesn't make alot of sense imo, to blow this team up now, not while the core group is still performing at a high level. Maybe in a couple years, but not now. And I just got a authentic, Jason Witten Jersey for Christmas. Love it.

Should they wait two years in salary cap hell, until these guys have no trade value whatsoever? It is going to be much harder to rebuild without the draft picks. At this point the cap limits the help that they can give this core group and with the restructuring, it will be a couple of years before the cap will offer any room. The core group will really be in decline by that time. I hate it for Witten, Ware and Romo, but it just wasn't meant to be. Things out of their control caused this . It is not their fault unless we place blame on them for wanting a big paycheck.

 

[DoomsDayD]

Under your method of thinking, Marino should have been jettisoned at some point early in his career because he did not win a ring. The Dolphins did not fail to win a super bowl because of Marino, it was because of his supporting cast. You don't cut off your nose to spite your face, or throw the baby out with the bath water.

The issue of whether or not Romo is good enough to win is the subject of legitimate debate (personally I think he can) but to say that Romo should be jettisoned because his supporting cast isn't good enough to win a ring is a flawed thought process.

I think you are making everyone's point who is pessimistic about this team. Most of these threads consist of people wanting the boys to do just what you said...GET A SUPPORTING CAST!! According to some people we have WR'S,RB'S and a defense that compares to anyone in the league and yet...here we sit. I think most of these so called "PESSIMISTIC" threads would disappear if the cowboys took the field this year and win a playoff game or two. Give us something to hang our hat on for the following year instead of people saying...we will be healthy we got the division in the bag. Give us some hope,give us some light at the end of the tunnel,would be a beautiful thing.

 

[fortdick]

I would understand some of the decisions if we were a Super Bowl defending champ, but what are we clinging to? I don't get it. We are about 500 in the last 20 years and coming off 2 8-8 seasons.

Why are we so committed to guys over 30 who are injury proned? Why did we have the previous Ratliff contract, the Witten contract, the Miles Austin contract? Marion Barber, Ken Hamlin, Doug Free. The list goes on and on.

Why is Jerry so loyal to guys? You don't pay a guy for what he has done, you pay him for what he could do. So far, we have come up short in this department and I don't get it.

In my eyes, the only untouchable is Tony Romo.

It boggles my mind that Jay Ratliff's contract was structured so poorly that the only option we have is to extend him further to avoid paying him more money to cut him. That is insane. Doug Free is the same way.

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Ratliff, Witten and Austin are keeping this team from succeeding?

It's posts like this that make go elsewhere for my football fix. Seems every time I come back here, it is the same old stuff.

 

[ShiningStar]

I would understand some of the decisions if we were a Super Bowl defending champ, but what are we clinging to? I don't get it. We are about 500 in the last 20 years and coming off 2 8-8 seasons.

Why are we so committed to guys over 30 who are injury proned? Why did we have the previous Ratliff contract, the Witten contract, the Miles Austin contract? Marion Barber, Ken Hamlin, Doug Free. The list goes on and on.

Why is Jerry so loyal to guys? You don't pay a guy for what he has done, you pay him for what he could do. So far, we have come up short in this department and I don't get it.

In my eyes, the only untouchable is Tony Romo.

It boggles my mind that Jay Ratliff's contract was structured so poorly that the only option we have is to extend him further to avoid paying him more money to cut him. That is insane. Doug Free is the same way.

:bang2:

just one quick question. is an 8-8 team bad when a 7-9 team can win the SB?

 

[LatinMind]

I would understand some of the decisions if we were a Super Bowl defending champ, but what are we clinging to? I don't get it. We are about 500 in the last 20 years and coming off 2 8-8 seasons.

Why are we so committed to guys over 30 who are injury proned? Why did we have the previous Ratliff contract, the Witten contract, the Miles Austin contract? Marion Barber, Ken Hamlin, Doug Free. The list goes on and on.

Why is Jerry so loyal to guys? You don't pay a guy for what he has done, you pay him for what he could do. So far, we have come up short in this department and I don't get it.

In my eyes, the only untouchable is Tony Romo.

It boggles my mind that Jay Ratliff's contract was structured so poorly that the only option we have is to extend him further to avoid paying him more money to cut him. That is insane. Doug Free is the same way.

:bang2:

When you have half ur defense on IR and go 8-8 and are in contention of winning a division and playoff berth with that mash unit. You have to like what you have.

They didnt extend Ratliff further. They restructured his contract.

Some of you need to take a break. Hope you people realize that them defensive starters are going to be back in 2013.

 

[perrykemp]

Ratliff, Witten and Austin are keeping this team from succeeding?

It's posts like this that make go elsewhere for my football fix. Seems every time I come back here, it is the same old stuff.

Not Witten but Ratliff and Austin aren't providing anywhere near the production you'd expect for their pay grade.

In fact, Cowboys got almost nothing out of Ratliff last year.

 

[Stash]

This current group wasn't around then. Doesn't make alot of sense imo, to blow this team up now, not while the core group is still performing at a high level. Maybe in a couple years, but not now. And I just got a authentic, Jason Witten Jersey for Christmas. Love it.

When did back to back 8-8 seasons become 'performing at a high level'?

I think the original poster is spot on.

This team is in cap hell now and for the forseeable future for fear of not keeping together a bunch of players who've gotten them to 6-10, 8-8, and 8-8.

It will never happen, but I think they might just be better off long term trading away both Romo and Spencer and putting all resources into rebuilding.

 

[ShiningStar]

When did back to back 8-8 seasons become 'performing at a high level'?

I think the original poster is spot on.

This team is in cap hell now and for the forseeable future for fear of not keeping together a bunch of players who've gotten them to 6-10, 8-8, and 8-8.

It will never happen, but I think they might just be better off long term trading away both Romo and Spencer and putting all resources into rebuilding.

how did the "cap hell" really hurt the Skins?

 

[Stash]

Should they wait two years in salary cap hell, until these guys have no trade value whatsoever? It is going to be much harder to rebuild without the draft picks. At this point the cap limits the help that they can give this core group and with the restructuring, it will be a couple of years before the cap will offer any room. The core group will really be in decline by that time. I hate it for Witten, Ware and Romo, but it just wasn't meant to be. Things out of their control caused this . It is not their fault unless we place blame on them for wanting a big paycheck.

I don't blame any of them. At times, they've all been Pro Bowl cailber players.

But it looks to me like the window has closed and 'cutting bait' seems a better alternative to beating this dead horse any further.

 

[5Stars]

When did back to back 8-8 seasons become 'performing at a high level'?

I think the original poster is spot on.

This team is in cap hell now and for the forseeable future for fear of not keeping together a bunch of players who've gotten them to 6-10, 8-8, and 8-8.

It will never happen, but I think they might just be better off long term trading away both Romo and Spencer and putting all resources into rebuilding.

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