Why can't we trade Dak to a team that absorbs some of his contract?

J_Allen

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And one of those could be Ryan Leaf. Or RG3. Or Duane Haskins. Or JaMarcus Russell.

You play to have a chance at the playoffs because the only way to win a Super Bowl is to be in the playoffs. You don’t play to have a high draft pick.

Is reading comprehension not your forte?

There's no use in having a dialogue with someone who can't read.

Edit: you know I've always wanted to ask this, what's with the Ferrari as your avatar picture? Explain the thought process behind that. I just want to hear it before I give my opinion about what I think it is.
 

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What incompetent GM would want to have Dak as their starting QB? There is only one that I can think of and he is already the GM of the Cowboys.
 

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Is reading comprehension not your forte?

There's no use in having a dialogue with someone who can't read.

Edit: you know I've always wanted to ask this, what's with the Ferrari as your avatar picture? Explain the thought process behind that. I just want to hear it before I give my opinion about what I think it is.
What the heck are you talking about? Where is there a Ferrari in my avatar?
 

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The simplest answer is the one everyone knows, Jerry isn't going to move on from Dak. Remember one thing, if Amari Cooper was still on the team, the season and playoffs would have been drastically different in a positive way. We better hope in 2023 that Gallup and Tolbert show up big time or it will be Lamb and very little after that as Schultz will be gone also.
 

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I’m not advocating using a premium draft pick on a QB just to say you’ve drafted a QB. It has to be somebody your scouts and coaches see as a significant prospect. I’m simply saying you won’t ever have a viable succession plan at the position if you never draft one.

Sure, in hindsight drafting Love was a mistake. But the decisions are made in realtime, not hindsight. Drafting Aaron Rodgers while still having Brett Favre playing at a very high level was a brilliant move. However, there were no guarantees it would turn out so well when the decision was made.

And that is true of every draft choice regardless of position. It’s one of the reasons I’m a huge proponent of drafting best player available. The Cowboys didn’t need a center with Fredbeard, until suddenly they did.

Just like the Packers, the 49ers had a plan in drafting Lance. It hasn’t worked out, at least not yet. Purdy looks like the real deal right now, but as Parcells was want to say, let’s pump the breaks on the HoF for him. He may look completely different next year.
In 2018 the Cowboys used the fifth round pick on Mike White. The plan the Packers had didn’t work and they wasted a first round pick on Jordan Love. The plan the 49ers head for Trey Lance hasn’t worked and they wasted some draft picks. They should have stayed with Jimmy G and did what they did by using a late round pick on a QB. I’m sure the Cowboys are going to draft a QB in the next couple of years. They may take one in each of the next couple of drafts. We’ll see how it goes for Purdy but he’s off to a great start. When you get a rookie QB playing this well it’s usually not a fluke.
 

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You often hear trades where one team wants the other team to absorb some of the contract if the player has a high cap number.

Why can't we do that for Dak? Find a trade partner (somehow), and WE absorb the majority of his contract and make the deal!! That way we're not stuck with all of it, we get a small tiny break. They get their guy, I hope he's well rested from sleeping on his BED (commercial!)
Nobody wants him the facade that he is a Franchise QB lives only in the hearts of homer Dak fans and Jerry and sons!!!
Year 8 coming up and it's going to be a doozie for #4 and not in a nice way!!!
 

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I bet ya, Carolina, Houston or the NY Jets would give up 2 first rounders for DAK....They want franchise QB in the worst way....and be willing to pay...DAK might even get a pay raise, Then sign Carr or Jimmy G as short term solutions

Two things would hold back the deal IMO....
1. No Trade Clause in DAKs contract
2. The 2023 Dead Cap would increase to something like 39mil for the Cowboys (not sure tho)
The only team willing to do that would be the Cowboys. The Jones's drafted him and overvalued him and can't admit they made a mistake. There is a not a team in the league that would even give one first for Dak. The absolute best you could hope for is a 3rd and somone taking on some of his contract. In my opinion of course. GM's aren't idiots.
 

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why do these stupid threads keep coming up? Dak= no trade clause. Jerry got bent over and fleeced without lube.Dak will be here for 2 more years at least
 

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Those teams could sign Carr or Jimmy G and keep their 2 first round picks. Which would you choose if in their shoes?
Exactly. My guess is straight up most GM's would pick either of these guys over Dak. When you add in not giving up any draft picks and a much cheaper contract, then it's a really easy decision. The only way to trade Dak is to pretty much make out even on compensation of draft picks. Something like Cowboys get a 3rd and 5th and the other team gets a 4th and they take on Dak's contract.
 

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why do these stupid threads keep coming up? Dak= no trade clause. Jerry got bent over and fleeced without lube.Dak will be here for 2 more years at least
Very true. Anytime I talk about it it's with the assumption Dak has allowed himself to be traded. He wouldn't be the first player to do that. So while a longshot, it is technically doable.
 

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Personally I'd rather sit home than get one playoff win. We get better draft picks that way. And one of those could be a quarterback.
Sorry, but that’s a ridiculous comment. Getting a better draft pick doesn’t guarantee anything, just look around the league. There were teams that had better draft picks when we drafted Parsons and CeeDee but we ended up with better players. The draft is a crapshoot! The 49ers ended up with a terrific young QB with the very last pick in the draft. All some of you care about is a high draft pick. If it was up to some of you we would be picking in the top 10 every year. If the Cowboys are ever going to have a chance to reach a Super Bowl they need playoff experience. You don’t become battle tested sitting at home in January looking forward to a high draft pick.
 

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Jets with their D would have made the playoffs with Dak. Major media market there. Lots and lots of bling. They could make it happen. They have been in QB hell. He would be a huge upgrade for them.

Use Jets number one pick for a QB and bring Jimmy G in to replace Dak next year. Make a splash Jerry, you don't have many years left.
If the Jets would actually give up a number one pick and Dak would accept going there of course the Cowboys should be very happy with that. As they then the have capital to go get the QB they want in the draft. The issue I see is why would the Jets do that. Why wouldn't they sign Jimmy G for much less money they Dak is making then use their 1st round pick to better their team on top of that. The Jones's have backed themselves into a corner. When you pay players top contracts who dont' have the skills to perform at those contracts that tends to happen.
 

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You often hear trades where one team wants the other team to absorb some of the contract if the player has a high cap number.

Why can't we do that for Dak? Find a trade partner (somehow), and WE absorb the majority of his contract and make the deal!! That way we're not stuck with all of it, we get a small tiny break. They get their guy, I hope he's well rested from sleeping on his BED (commercial!)
Dak can be transferred to the team that he wants, not the one that the cowboys want, and if Dak wants to be transferred, this is due to the non-transfer clause, and the bad thing is that if it were the case that Dak wanted to leave, he would have to be transferred after June 1st, because if they do it before, they would have 58M in 2023, 40M in 2024, and 21M in 2025 of dead money, only being able to save 9M in 2023 and 12M in 2024 something that is unfeasible, since there would be no money to do anything, the only option is that he want to be transferred after June 1 and that team wants to receive it, and there would be 18M 2023, 18M 2024, 18M 2025 and 3.6M 2026 of dead money, and it would save, 31M 2023, 34M 2024, 3.6M 2025 and possibly 3.6M in 2026, something that would be more viable, this would be more viable for the other team since it would only impact 30M per year to the team that receives it If the contract remains the same or the option to renegotiate could be given,
 

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Dak can be transferred to the team that he wants, not the one that the cowboys want, and if Dak wants to be transferred, this is due to the non-transfer clause, and the bad thing is that if it were the case that Dak wanted to leave, he would have to be transferred after June 1st, because if they do it before, they would have 58M in 2023, 40M in 2024, and 21M in 2025 of dead money, only being able to save 9M in 2023 and 12M in 2024 something that is unfeasible, since there would be no money to do anything, the only option is that he want to be transferred after June 1 and that team wants to receive it, and there would be 18M 2023, 18M 2024, 18M 2025 and 3.6M 2026 of dead money, and it would save, 31M 2023, 34M 2024, 3.6M 2025 and possibly 3.6M in 2026, something that would be more viable, this would be more viable for the other team since it would only impact 30M per year to the team that receives it If the contract remains the same or the option to renegotiate could be given,
Agreed. And this is where drafting a QB comes into play. If (and that's a big if) the Cowboys can draft a QB they feel can be the QB of the future they are then in the driver seat, because Dak can benched. Professional athletes will go to a team they wouldn't generally want to if that means they get to keep starting. if not, he plays (or rides the bench for part or all of next season) then can be cut post June 1st after next season and see some money saving and some dead money. It all comes down to the Jones's accepting they need to move on and putting their minds together with McClay and McCarthy and drafting that QB that can take over. Teams do it every year. It can be done.
 

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Dak has a no-trade clause so we'd need to sell him on the idea. Possible but not easy, he'll believe he can turn it around and want to back himself and I doubt we'd sell him on going to a bad team that might be interested in a trade for him.
That’s easy. Put him on the bench and see how he likes it. He’ll soon start begging to be traded.
 

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That’s easy. Put him on the bench and see how he likes it. He’ll soon start begging to be traded.
Exactly. Professional athletes will go to another pro team if it means they get to keep being the guy. A benching or true competition that concludes in Dak being the number 2 is going facilitate him wanting to be traded quickly.
 

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Dak has a no-trade clause so we'd need to sell him on the idea. Possible but not easy, he'll believe he can turn it around and want to back himself and I doubt we'd sell him on going to a bad team that might be interested in a trade for him.
I agree but I think the fan base might have something to say about that. If the city turns on Dak like they've done before on QB's (Meredith, White, they even booed Aikman at the end) it might be an untenable situation.

Sometimes a QB just has to get out of dodge and everybody knows it. Look no further than Zach Wilson in NY, Wilson in Seattle, and Derek Carr in Las Vegas. It also might benefit Dak to be someplace that doesn't have so much pressure tied to the position.

It's not unthinkable.
 

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You aren't getting over the mountain with this guy. Why not play someone else? They probably won't either but you don't know that. You could catch lightning in a bottle. One thing is for sure, dumping a starting QB sends a message to the rest of the team. You can't deny that the team has to know they have no shot with #4. Just like Amari knew. Anyone that at least gives them hope will prevent them mailing it in.
We’re getting part way up the mountain with him and we have to stick with him until we find a better option. He’s beaten Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, and Russell Wilson. Cooper Rush isn’t a better option. We had a middle of the pack offense with him and very little passing game and weren’t scoring many points. We were winning games with our defense and kicker. We never scored more than one TD per game with Cooper Rush. Once we went back to Dak our offense became the highest scoring offense in the league. Unfortunately, our defense fell off. He’s by far more talented than Cooper Rush. You’re not going to catch lightning in a bottle unless you hit on a draft pick like the 49ers did. Dumping your franchise QB when you don’t have a viable option in house sends a message that you’re not interested in winning. If Dak continues to struggle with up and down play next season and INTs, we’re going to have to invest a premium pick on a QB. We may use a draft pick this April on a QB but we don’t currently have a QB that’s better than him.
 

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If we could do that, HUGE IF, I'd contact the 49ers about Trey Lance.
 
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