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[FuzzyLumpkins]

They do not have him making those calls. Blame linehan and garrett.

The coaches slid coverage to the left and had Cooper help take away the inside rush. TFred took a lot of 1v1s as a result. What that should have done is allowed Green to cheat outside and take away what Claiborne was doing. They did help Green but his kickslide was so screwed up it didn't matter.

The next week they threw backs TE and slid coverage. Dak had more time and he still sucked. Tyron came back and he was still throwing picks, late, and inaccurate.

At a certain point you need to admit that Dak simply has to play better for the team to have a real shot if ideal circumstances are not present.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

I mean it was pretty obvious I would hope Dak didn't have to go over there. Let me repeat slowly.
In his 2nd season
the coaches
do not allow Dak
to change calls at the LOS
only allows him to make
the RPO calls.

Ok so you didn't see Dak audible out of plays at all last season? You need to rewatch the games

 

[Hennessy_King]

I'd like to see a link if you have it but if he was 17th out of 32 wouldn't that put him below the average?

17th out of 39 graded qbs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not saying he doesn't need to get better, because he does, but at this point wait until his rookie deal is over to see if we should move on from him or not.

Sure but if he still is bad this year we need to start looking to replace him. Else we go into 2020 with no QB.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

17th out of 39 graded qbs.

Oh i see so he gets graded against all the backup QB's too, take them out of the equation and let me know where he ends up and can you post the link please, unless of course the backup QB's played better than Dak did...lol

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

17th out of 39 graded qbs.

That is mediocre at best. Not that I put any stock in PFF grades.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Sure but if he still is bad this year we need to start looking to replace him. Else we go into 2020 with no QB.

Correct and that goes for every position on the team. I feel if a player is just a guy as a starter we should look to replace him. Unfortunately Jerry doesn't know how to break up with players.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Oh i see so he gets graded against all the backup QB's too, take them out of the equation and let me know where he ends up and can you post the link please, unless of course the backup QB's played better than Dak did...lol

Nick foles graded average at a 75 rating.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Correct and that goes for every position on the team. I feel if a player is just a guy as a starter we should look to replace him. Unfortunately Jerry doesn't know how to break up with players.

This is very true

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Nick foles graded average at a 75 rating.

Ok so Foles was a backup, now if you take him out of the equation that means Dak was now 17th out of 38th, see what i'm getting at, by the way what was Wentz rating before he got hurt. Post the link please

 

[Hennessy_King]

This is very true

What im trying to get at is last 8 games of last year was a train wreck as an offense from coaching, to oline play, to wr play, no rb, and QB running for his life. They are all to blame. But lets look at his first 24 games as a better example than last 8.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Ok so Foles was a backup, now if you take him out of the equation that means Dak was now 17th out of 38th, see what i'm getting at, by the way what was Wentz rating before he got hurt. Post the link please

Wentz was 87.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

What im trying to get at is last 8 games of last year was a train wreck as an offense from coaching, to oline play, to wr play, no rb, and QB running for his life. They are all to blame. But lets look at his first 24 games as a better example than last 8.

The trend was there in his 1st 8 games too (not as bad as his last 8 but the trend was there teams were adjusting), just look closely at his stats, his completion percentage was down his YPA was down, his INT's were up, etc

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Wentz was 87.

Is there a reason you won't post the link?

 

[Hennessy_King]

The trend was there in his 1st 8 games too (not as bad as his last 8 but the trend was there teams were adjusting), just look closely at his stats, his completion percentage was down his YPA was down, his INT's were up, etc

Weren't 3 of his int's due to drops those first games?
https://grades.profootballfocus.com/#/ratings/positions/show/QB

 

[Hennessy_King]

1 Tom Brady NE 12 95.5
2 Matt Ryan ATL 2 88.6
2 Drew Brees NO 9 88.6
4 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 7 88.5
5 Carson Wentz PHI 11 87.6
6 Alex Smith WAS 11 87.2
6 Russell Wilson SEA 3 87.2
8 Philip Rivers LAC 17 85.5
9 Case Keenum DEN 4 85.3
10 Jimmy Garoppolo SF 10 85.2
11 Aaron Rodgers GB 12 84.4
12 Marcus Mariota TEN 8 83.9
13 Matthew Stafford DET 9 83.3
14 Tyrod Taylor CLV 5 83.0
15 Jared Goff LAR 16 81.3
16 Jameis Winston TB 3 81.2
17 Dak Prescott DAL 4 80.5
18 Andy Dalton CIN 14 79.4
19 Kirk Cousins MIN 00 78.8
20 Blake Bortles JAX 5 78.4
21 Derek Carr OAK 4 77.7
21 Cam Newton CAR 1 77.7
23 Josh McCown NYJ 15 77.1
24 Joe Flacco BLT 5 76.7
25 Nick Foles PHI 9 75.9
26 Mitchell Trubisky CHI 10 75.7
28 Eli Manning NYG 10 75.5
29 Jacoby Brissett IND 7 75.2
30 Deshaun Watson HST 4 75.1
31 Brett Hundley GB 7 72.8
32 Tom Savage NO 00 71.1
33 Brian Hoyer NE 2 71.0
34 C.J. Beathard SF 3 68.5
35 Jay Cutler MIA 6 62.5
36 Trevor Siemian MIN 3 53.2
37 DeShone Kizer GB 00 51.0
38 Brock Osweiler MIA 0 47.7
39 Blaine Gabbert TEN 00 42.6

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Weren't 3 of his int's due to drops those first games?
https://grades.profootballfocus.com/#/ratings/positions/show/QB

If you are going to do that then do you count all the INT's that didn't happen because the defenders dropped it? or his receivers played defender and stopped the INT from happenning. INT are INT's

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

1 Tom Brady NE 12 95.5
2 Matt Ryan ATL 2 88.6
2 Drew Brees NO 9 88.6
4 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 7 88.5
5 Carson Wentz PHI 11 87.6
6 Alex Smith WAS 11 87.2
6 Russell Wilson SEA 3 87.2
8 Philip Rivers LAC 17 85.5
9 Case Keenum DEN 4 85.3
10 Jimmy Garoppolo SF 10 85.2
11 Aaron Rodgers GB 12 84.4
12 Marcus Mariota TEN 8 83.9
13 Matthew Stafford DET 9 83.3
14 Tyrod Taylor CLV 5 83.0
15 Jared Goff LAR 16 81.3
16 Jameis Winston TB 3 81.2
17 Dak Prescott DAL 4 80.5
18 Andy Dalton CIN 14 79.4
19 Kirk Cousins MIN 00 78.8
20 Blake Bortles JAX 5 78.4
21 Derek Carr OAK 4 77.7
21 Cam Newton CAR 1 77.7
23 Josh McCown NYJ 15 77.1
24 Joe Flacco BLT 5 76.7
25 Nick Foles PHI 9 75.9
26 Mitchell Trubisky CHI 10 75.7
28 Eli Manning NYG 10 75.5
29 Jacoby Brissett IND 7 75.2
30 Deshaun Watson HST 4 75.1
31 Brett Hundley GB 7 72.8
32 Tom Savage NO 00 71.1
33 Brian Hoyer NE 2 71.0
34 C.J. Beathard SF 3 68.5
35 Jay Cutler MIA 6 62.5
36 Trevor Siemian MIN 3 53.2
37 DeShone Kizer GB 00 51.0
38 Brock Osweiler MIA 0 47.7
39 Blaine Gabbert TEN 00 42.6

Thanks for posting this, so now my question is this. Should Dak stats as a starter be compared to guys like Foles, Hundley, Brissett, who are backups to begin with (and guys who Dak as a starter should be better than), if you take those guys out of the equation, then Dak certainly is not in the top half of the league, he doesn't miss it by much but he does miss it, i'm quite sure he was much higher ranked in 2016 (with the same recievers by the way) as in 2017

 

[Hennessy_King]

Thanks for posting this, so now my question is this. Should Dak stats as a starter be compared to guys like Foles, Hundley, Brissett, who are backups to begin with (and guys who Dak as a starter should be better than), if you take those guys out of the equation, then Dak certainly is not in the top half of the league, he doesn't miss it by much but he does miss it, i'm quite sure he was much higher ranked in 2016 (with the same recievers by the way) as in 2017

The exact numbers I don't go by I really go by the clumps. 80-84 are above average. 85-89 are good. 90+ is elite.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Thanks for posting this, so now my question is this. Should Dak stats as a starter be compared to guys like Foles, Hundley, Brissett, who are backups to begin with (and guys who Dak as a starter should be better than), if you take those guys out of the equation, then Dak certainly is not in the top half of the league, he doesn't miss it by much but he does miss it, i'm quite sure he was much higher ranked in 2016 (with the same recievers by the way) as in 2017

PFF graded our receivers last season as the 8th worst total wr unit in the league. They grade based on isolation doesn't matter if they get thrown the ball or not.