Why did Cleveland release Weeden?

[jazzcat22]

Good point but technically, Roger was not drafted at 28, he was drafted at age 22/23 or so. He joined the team when he was 27 I believe and he was a 10th round pick.

Drafted in 64, his SR. season with Navy. The NFL allowed this back then, as he had 1 year left on his eligibility. Started playing in 69 for Cowboys. And yes, a 10th round pick.
I had read, he took a cowboys play book with him while in the Navy for his commitment, but never could find out if it was true or not.

 

[CCBoy]

Simple as this...when a new Head Coach mix comes in, they often reset the most important player to maximize their own philosophies as to style and scheme. They are betting their longevity in job upon that one player...the most. They choose from alternatives and choices, very carefully from the start.

 

[Vanilla2]

Because Hoyer is better than him. And you're trying to develop a 30+ year old QB which likely won't work. I think at this point the game just moves too fast for Manziel and he needs to ride the bench for a year. People forget he only played 2 years of college ball.






YR

Should've stayed in school then

 

[xwalker]

Roger Staubach

Roger Staubach was a 10th round draft pick. That's a very low risk.

Weeden was round 1, pick 22.

 

[ShiningStar]

And how is this different than any other team. Last year we were considerd the team with the best back up QB.
Glad you are an expert in this field, I feel enlightened....not really...

Maybe because we dont get a young guy to grow with the team, to understand he ll be a back up with a steady job, but we kepe getting older guys who mgiht be ranked high but odnt help. I dont know, i dont know about you, but if something isnt working for me, i try to change it up and find what fits, call me silly. Finding older guys to hang around instead of churning young guys that will stay with the team, I dont believe Moore saw himself as a back up and a few dindt pan out, but at least the team was trying. Now its just let gets a 30 yo who wont be here long, or a guy who loves to retire. Oh yeah, evidence backed up the decision on Orton. Good thing we signed him to play one game and we ddint give him enough game time experience to come in and work with the team.

 

[Alexander]

Ponder was almost 30 when he was drafted?

No, but it was suggested it was a mild reach. Teams have seemed desperate the last few years to get QBs in the first so they could have the fifth year option. The Bills look like they did the same thing with Manuel.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Because Cleveland has a 'real GM.' A 'real GM' drafted him in the 1st round and another 'real GM' dumped him after two years, figuring a guy coming off ACL surgery on both knees and another guy who likes to roll dollar bills in mens room would be better. If only we had a 'real GM' ...

I would settle for a GM who can build a consistent playoff team in the modern NFL.

 

[CCBoy]

No, but it was suggested it was a mild reach. Teams have seemed desperate the last few years to get QBs in the first so they could have the fifth year option. The Bills look like they did the same thing with Manuel.

That could, functionally, be pretty high and evaluated strongly as well. A quality running back in today's draft...about starts out in the second to fourth rounds. Numbers may be relevant, but positional quality still high.

 

[ShiningStar]

I would settle for a GM who can build a consistent playoff team in the modern NFL.

I think everyone is sitll trying to get a handle on the modern NFL as it keeps changing.

 

[ShiningStar]

Simple as this...when a new Head Coach mix comes in, they often reset the most important player to maximize their own philosophies as to style and scheme. They are betting their longevity in job upon that one player...the most. They choose from alternatives and choices, very carefully from the start.

I had liked this , but just really wnat to point out what a great train of thought it is. Good reasoning and something i forgot about.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That could, functionally, be pretty high and evaluated strongly as well. A quality running back in today's draft...about starts out in the second to fourth rounds. Numbers may be relevant, but positional quality still high.

The obvious problem there is the developmental time needed for positions. For example, if your a gifted RB, you may need a season, if that, to be ready to go in the NFL. If you are a QB, you may need a few years so the length of the contract becomes paramount. Add to that, the fact that you really don't want to sign a RB for more then 4 or 5 years these days.

I do agree, position factors into this process heavily.

 

[CCBoy]

The obvious problem there is the developmental time needed for positions. For example, if your a gifted RB, you may need a season, if that, to be ready to go in the NFL. If you are a QB, you may need a few years so the length of the contract becomes paramount. Add to that, the fact that you really don't want to sign a RB for more then 4 or 5 years these days.

I do agree, position factors into this process heavily.

Preaching to the choir here. I am curious as to long term paths and current evaluations, how a quarterback such as Manziel will fair once the true greatness time in league points are reached. Will longevity be diminished towards the current impact desire for quarterbacks and them also not getting the same degree of mental development?

Applied, will Johnny Football climax at ten seasons instead of the truly great quarterback 13-15 years in league?

 

[CCBoy]

I had liked this , but just really wnat to point out what a great train of thought it is. Good reasoning and something i forgot about.

That is the part of a group discussion...but thanks.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Preaching to the choir here. I am curious as to long term paths and current evaluations, how a quarterback such as Manziel will fair once the true greatness time in league points are reached. Will longevity be diminished towards the current impact desire for quarterbacks and them also not getting the same degree of mental development?

Applied, will Johnny Football climax at ten seasons instead of the truly great quarterback 13-15 years in league?

I think Manziel's ceiling will probably be more closely related to physical limitations. If he only lasts 7-10 seasons, I suspect it will be because his body can't hold up, more so, then any mental limitiations. JMO

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I think everyone is sitll trying to get a handle on the modern NFL as it keeps changing.

That's kind of the whole deal.

The NFL is constantly evolving. You have to evolve with it. Unfortunately, it eventually surpasses everyone, including the great Tom Landry. It's safe to say it passed Jerry by about 20 years ago.

 

[CCBoy]

I think Manziel's ceiling will probably be more closely related to physical limitations. If he only lasts 7-10 seasons, I suspect it will be because his body can't hold up, more so, then any mental limitiations. JMO

I presently compare him to a Michael Vick coming into the league, but with better pocket skills and less running abilities.


I don't see his leadership skills in the present. But in a quarterback, as Ryan Leaf found out, his role with other players is vastly under appreciated coming into the league.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Should've stayed in school then

He's not going to learn the NFL game better by staying in school. There was a decent shot he could have been a top-5 pick this year and I don't think staying an extra year would have helped (i.e. Matt Leinart or Matt Barkley).

The best he could have done by staying in school is to put on some extra muscle to his frame and refine some mechanics. But, harder to do that when you have school as part of your life versus being a pro football player where you have all day to focus on getting better.

I think the Browns would be stupid to start him. They have so much more to gain by having him ride the bench this year.



YR

 

[Sportsbabe]

Why did Cleveland release him? I watched the Cleveland vs Washington game and those two Cleveland QB's stunk.......

Because they're stupid?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He's not going to learn the NFL game better by staying in school. There was a decent shot he could have been a top-5 pick this year and I don't think staying an extra year would have helped (i.e. Matt Leinart or Matt Barkley).

The best he could have done by staying in school is to put on some extra muscle to his frame and refine some mechanics. But, harder to do that when you have school as part of your life versus being a pro football player where you have all day to focus on getting better.

I think the Browns would be stupid to start him. They have so much more to gain by having him ride the bench this year.



YR

Not to say that the Browns will not elect to redshirt him, because they might. Now, having acknowledged that, when's the last time you can remember the Browns doing something smart?

 

[ShiningStar]

That's kind of the whole deal.

The NFL is constantly evolving. You have to evolve with it. Unfortunately, it eventually surpasses everyone, including the great Tom Landry. It's safe to say it passed Jerry by about 20 years ago.

I agree, even when it was turning i saw it turn back in the early 2000s with the whole mobile qb crap they tried spitting out. It doesnt work when a guy is being paid 50 million plus to run into the guys taking his head off. Sometimes the NFl gets off its gears to do something stupid. Ugh. I think this is why we have parity, no one knows whats next.