Why did we have to trade R. Switzer?

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You are just repeating what a million other armchair scouts have read. You did not scout this guy in person so stop trying to sound like you did. That goes for the rest of you armchair scouts. According to Rod Marinelli, Jihad Ward can play the 1 tech... he'd know because he got to know him during his coaching stint at the 2016 Senior Bowl. The Raiders had him playing as a DE which IMO, is out of positon.

First Joe I would like agree with what you’re saying about armchair GM’s, coaches and scouts. It’s just not what we do for a living and we also don’t have all the tools available to us to make the decisions that the professionals do.

But after calling them out, you turned right around and did exactly what you were calling people out for.......

The Raiders had him playing as a DE which IMO, is out of positon.

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I don't know, he's faster and a lot younger than Beasley. I'd keep him over TWill. I just think the Raiders wouldn't have traded Ward for either Beasley or TWill.
Lmao no, just no. You CANNOT be serious. Switzer has literally done nothing for anyone to believe he could produce more than Beasly or TWill. You people are actually nuts lol. Up in arms over a 4th round reach who made 1 play his rookie season lmao. This is Matt Johnson all over again lmao. Who in their right mind would take Switzer over Beasly? Smh.
 

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Ryan Switzer is an undersized guy with better quickness than speed. He didn’t show enough at WR to even be kept at the position according to coaches. We pretty much traded a return specialist.
 

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Lmao no, just no. You CANNOT be serious. Switzer has literally done nothing for anyone to believe he could produce more than Beasly or TWill. You people are actually nuts lol. Up in arms over a 4th round reach who made 1 play his rookie season lmao. This is Matt Johnson all over again lmao. Who in their right mind would take Switzer over Beasly? Smh.

Beasley is better now, I know that. But he's turning 30 so how much longer is he going to play? I'll still put my money on the faster guy.
 

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Beasley is better now, I know that. But he's turning 30 so how much longer is he going to play? I'll still put my money on the faster guy.
The faster guy who's literally done nothing to warrant a following. Switzter would not make this team, its good that we got something out of him instead of just cutting him. Also btw, Beasly runs a faster 40 than him, and he jumps higher. So is Switzer really that much more athletic? Didn't seem like it when he was getting stuffed on those jet sweeps.
 

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Can someone give me the download here? He seemed to be developing nicely, we may have had a different vision for him but I see this being the next Danny Amendola situation where he goes on to have a good career in the NFL.

Developing? I must have missed that part. From what I saw they didnt develop him at all. He rotted on the bench like many of our offensive draft picks. I liked the kid, but they never gave him a chance. Yet scrubs like Chaz Green like looked horrid they gave a major role to.
 

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Developing? I must have missed that part. From what I saw they didnt develop him at all. He rotted on the bench like many of our offensive draft picks. I liked the kid, but they never gave him a chance. Yet scrubs like Chaz Green like looked horrid they gave a major role to.
I'm pretty sure we're gonna be fine without him lmao. Amazes me that people are still up in arms over a 4th round reach lol.
 

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Strengths
Can play both end spots and has bumped down inside to tackle as well. Has room for even more muscle on his frame. Great effort throughout the play and will continue his chase until whistle blows. Length and down-the-line quickness give him expanded playmaking range. Urgent closing burst to the ball. Full force tackler with thump behind his pads. Keeps feet moving and active throughout his pass rush. Can become a quality edge-setter with a little lower pad level. Has some pass rush reps showing ankle flexion to turn corner at 45-degree angle. Won’t let tight ends punk him. Better pick man than twister in tackle/end and end/tackle twists. Traits are there and teams likely to be patient with his development.
Weaknesses
Has tools to set a harder edge but isn't there yet. Inconsistent contact balance. Lays on blocks longer than he should. Needs to keep working on controlling the rep with better hand work. Long legs get caught up in trash around the line of scrimmage. Below average at protecting against cut blocks. Instincts very much a work in progress. Could use nasty glass-eater mentality at point of attack. Doesn’t flash the mean to impose his will. Not a natural counter puncher as pass rusher once initial try is stuffed. Won't always accelerate into contact as pass rusher limiting his power potential.
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Rounds 2 or 3
Bottom Line
Above average athleticism for a man his size and he has the effort level that should lead to continued improvement in the areas where he is deficient. Ward is a developmental prospect who has the size to fit as a 4-3 base end or defensive tackle and as a 3-4 defensive end. Is he mean enough to play inside though? He might need a position coach to draw that out of him while he continues to develop.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/jihad-ward?id=2555248
 

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Number crunch at WR meant Somebody was gonna get cut, Oakland offered Us a chance to get Something in return.
If Ward sucks, We can get rid of Him at no cost, if He doesn't, We got some value for a player We were likely gonna cut anyway.
I agree, last year the Cowboys really didn't know how to use Switzer or what to do with him are to use in with sweat Beasley so it doesn't really matter if we got rid of them because they didn't know what to do with him anyway maybe they can use this Jihad Ward
 

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Developing? I must have missed that part. From what I saw they didnt develop him at all. He rotted on the bench like many of our offensive draft picks. I liked the kid, but they never gave him a chance. Yet scrubs like Chaz Green like looked horrid they gave a major role to.

This was kind of silly. And inaccurate.

Last year 10 of our 11 starters on offense were internally developed - 9 drafted, and one undrafted free agent. Plus others that got significant playing time, like our 3rd WR and both the 2nd and 3rd team TEs, were also internally developed players.

Explain how that indicates we let many of our offensive draft picks rot on the bench.

As for Green, what they gave him was a back up role, and he was only thrust into a larger role when Smith got hurt.

As for Switzer himself, he was a 4th round draft pick who missed most of training camp and preseason. If you are under the impression that is a recipe for getting significant playing time as a rookie with every team but Dallas, you are mistaken.
 

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when your kick return yardage would be better if you simply took the knee instead of choosing to run the ball out of the end zone, it could be said you make poor decisions. he made a lot of poor decisions last year in this respect.
 

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This was kind of silly. And inaccurate.

Last year 10 of our 11 starters on offense were internally developed - 9 drafted, and one undrafted free agent. Plus other that got significant playing time, like our 3rd WR both the 2nd and 3rd team TEs, we also internally developed players.

Explain how that indicates we let many of our offensive draft picks rot on the bench.

As for Green, what they gave him was a back up role, and he was only thrust into a larger role when Smith got hurt.

As for Switzer himself, he was a 4th round draft pick who missed most of training camp and preseason. If you are under the impression that is a recipe for getting significant playing time as a rookie with every team but Dallas, you are mistaken.

Exactly, so how was he being DEVELOPED by getting hurt and rotting on the bench? How many passes did he catch last year? 2? Did he even have a reception? Oh yah, what great development.

And a few TE's we drafted over the years that never did anything here come to mind on NOT being developed properly.

Chaz Green was a horror story even on draft day. His slight nature was apparent and he was getting destroyed in preseason when he was healthy. Yet somehow management saw something different. And it nearly cost us an entire season. Never should have been drafted, should have been cut, never should have played.
 

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Can someone give me the download here? He seemed to be developing nicely, we may have had a different vision for him but I see this being the next Danny Amendola situation where he goes on to have a good career in the NFL.
I don't think it was so much about Switzer as it was what they already had and could also get in return.

1) Kendall Fuller recently said that his toughest player to cover one on one was Cole Beasley.. It explains why he got about as many double teams last year as Dez did.

2) Then, in two moves, Dallas gives up Switzer and a 6th and gets Jihad Ward and Tavon Austin.
 

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Exactly, so how was he being DEVELOPED by getting hurt and rotting on the bench? How many passes did he catch last year? 2? Did he even have a reception? Oh yah, what great development.

And a few TE's we drafted over the years that never did anything here come to mind on NOT being developed properly.

Chaz Green was a horror story even on draft day. His slight nature was apparent and he was getting destroyed in preseason when he was healthy. Yet somehow management saw something different. And it nearly cost us an entire season. Never should have been drafted, should have been cut, never should have played.

lol - so you are admitting that your comment about many of our offensive draft picks rotting on the bench was wrong, and you are somehow saying that makes your point right? lol - that's an interesting take.

As for Switzer not developing much last year, I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm just saying that your characterization of the team not giving him a chance and having him rot on the bench like many of the Cowboys offensive draft picks was off base.
 

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I don't know, he's faster and a lot younger than Beasley. I'd keep him over TWill. I just think the Raiders wouldn't have traded Ward for either Beasley or TWill.

If Twill was cut he would NOT be signed by another team. Im still blown away that we resigned him.
 

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Tavon vs Switzer:
Punt return - Switzer
Slot WR - N/A
Gadget guy - Tavon

Tavon fumbles too much on PR, an Switzer had a better return yards average than all but one year of Tavon career. Switzer hasn't had an opportunity to play much slot. Tavon has better acceleration for RB n jet sweeps. Different type players, but I can't say Tavon is if he fumbles at a higher clip.

Jihad Ward is a wait n see guy. Maybe a sprinkle of Marinelli magic can bring him to life, but where does he lineup? Poor play at OAK, an position identity at DAL...not really a good combo here.

LOL.......and what did Switzer do on punt returns? Nothing. And didnt he fumble one time and lose us a game last year? Tavon is a much better return guy then Switzer.

As far a receiver we will have to wait and see. Like some other draft picks they barely get a chance here in Dallas.
 

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If Twill was cut he would NOT be signed by another team. Im still blown away that we resigned him.

Of course he would be signed by another team, it just may be at less money than he is currently making. Maybe it's fair to say he isn't worthy of being a #2 WR, but it's not remotely fair to say he isn't worthy of playing in the NFL at all.
 
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