Why did you guys give up over 100 yards rushing the last two games?

[brokeback]

This is a great defense, dude, and it's only getting better.

Teams with great defenses don't go 7-5 in a terrible conference. Teams with great defenses don't give up 31 points to San Francisco.
You're not Chicago. You're not Carolina. You're not a great defensive team. You are a good defensive team.

 

[DBoys]

Chief fans welcome to the NFC East. The next two games you will be playing physical football more than you have all year long.

Chiefs are not a very good road team and you are coming to our house.
Dallas DL is really good (They have shutdown some really good RB's) with a nice rotation of players.
Ware and James are playing really well and Fujita had his best game last week.
With Henry back healthy I feel Dallas has the best 3 CB's in the league in Newman, Glenn, and Henry.
Having Henry back also allows us to take more chances and blitz. You will see the D return to a more agressive form.

P.S. Dallas OL sucks

 

[WoodysGirl]

Teams with great defenses don't go 7-5 in a terrible conference. Teams with great defenses don't give up 31 points to San Francisco.
You're not Chicago. You're not Carolina. You're not a great defensive team. You are a good defensive team.

You keep saying the NFC is a terrible conference. I think you overrate the talent gap between the AFC and the NFC.

In head to head play the conferences are at 24-24

In looking at these stats:

AFC east - three teams under .500
AFC west - two teams under .500
AFC south - two teams under .500
AFC west - one team under .500

AFC 8 teams under .500

NFC east - one team under .500 and one at .500
NFC north - two teams under .500
NFC south - one team under .500
NFC west - 3 teams under .500

NFC 7-16 teams under .500 w/1 at .500

I'd say looking at these numbers, both conferences have their share of middle of the pack teams w/only Indy qualifying as an elite team.

As far as defenses go, I wouldn't put Carolina before Dallas. I'd say even. I'd put Chicago ahead, defensively.

Giving up 31 to SF while the D was still gelling does not take away the talent on the Dallas squad. Your talking about game that happened two months ago. You say a 7-5 can't have an elite D. I disagree. Two many of our games have been lost in the 4th quarter due to uneven offensive play that you can't hold all those losses against the D.

 

[1fisher]

Why don't you go ahead and quote the part where I said you didn't play any high scoring offenses? I would guess you didn't quote it because I didn't say it. You've played some good offenses, but you haven't shut down a bunch of the top offenses, especially those in the AFC. San Diego and Denver each racked up plenty of points. You haven't played Indy. You haven't played Cincy. You haven't played KC.
You've played 3 AFC teams, all in our division. You've given up over 3 TDs a game on average. You have a good defense. You don't have an elite defense. Again, teams with great defenses don't go 7-5 in a terrible conference. You can't possibly refute this.

page 3 and here's your direct words..... copied and pasted....You haven't faced the "highest powered offences in the NFL." You've got 1 impressive win this year, and it came in week 1. Conversely, you gave up more points to the 49ers than the Chiefs have given up to anyone all year.


I'll leave you with that because it's apparent neither is going to budge..........

 

[cwbyfan72]

Teams with great defenses don't go 7-5 in a terrible conference. Teams with great defenses don't give up 31 points to San Francisco.
You're not Chicago. You're not Carolina. You're not a great defensive team. You are a good defensive team.

Great defenses hold the top rated offenses under 14 pts 3 weeks in a row. Make key plays to determine outcome of games in their favor. (see Chargers,Eagles,Giants,). Keep thinking our defense isnt gonna bring it on Sunday. I love all the confidence in Chef land, I really do.

 

[1fisher]

Great defenses hold the top rated offenses under 14 pts 3 weeks in a row. Make key plays to determine outcome of games in their favor. (see Chargers,Eagles,Giants,). Keep thinking our defense isnt gonna bring it on Sunday. I love all the confidence in Chef land, I really do.

brokeback is what the Chefs could be after this Sunday!

 

[DBoys]

brokeback is a blind homer pure and simple

 

[sacase]

I can tell you right now, if you can't run the ball, you won't have much success passing it, especially with a QB that can't move.

I like our run D vs your run O.

As for LJ vs your run D, I guess it is the unstoppable force vs the immovable object. Should be a great matchup! I guess we can't fault each other for being confident.

You know I kinda like Chiefs fans, they actually try and talk football and not smack.

Now to your statement, I would hardly say you are the unstoppable force and we are the immovable object. We shut LT down this year in SD and he is THE BEST running back in the NFL hands down. LJ is good, but he is not LT good. I would not expect a good game from him. It may happen, but honestly a good day for him would be 75 yards or so. on 20-25 carries.

 

[superpunk]

Teams with great defenses don't go 7-5 in a terrible conference. Teams with great defenses don't give up 31 points to San Francisco.
You're not Chicago. You're not Carolina. You're not a great defensive team. You are a good defensive team.

Did you even bother looking at the numbers I've posted? Terrible conference? Psssshhhh. The NFC is just as good as the AFC now, save one great team in the Colts. I showed you what we did to some of the best offenses in the league. Chicago and Carolina haven't had to face the caliber of teams the Cowboys have. I don't think Dallas is as good as Chicago, but I'd put them above Carolina. You gotta look beyond the numbers sometimes, kid.

 

[ChiefsGirl]

You know I kinda like Chiefs fans, they actually try and talk football and not smack.

Now to your statement, I would hardly say you are the unstoppable force and we are the immovable object. We shut LT down this year in SD and he is THE BEST running back in the NFL hands down. LJ is good, but he is not LT good. I would not expect a good game from him. It may happen, but honestly a good day for him would be 75 yards or so. on 20-25 carries.

LT is the best overall back, running, receiving and throwing but he's not the best running RB in the league. The Eagles held him to 7 yards once this year. I'm more impressed with how the Cows handled Shaun Alexander.

It should be a good old fashioned smash-mouth game. I'm glad I'll be there.

 

[ChiefsGirl]

Cows

I think I've listened to Randy Galloway too many times.

 

[DBoys]

I think I've listened to Randy Galloway too many times.

:laugh2:

 

[Chief3188]

You know I kinda like Chiefs fans, they actually try and talk football and not smack.

Now to your statement, I would hardly say you are the unstoppable force and we are the immovable object. We shut LT down this year in SD and he is THE BEST running back in the NFL hands down. LJ is good, but he is not LT good. I would not expect a good game from him. It may happen, but honestly a good day for him would be 75 yards or so. on 20-25 carries.

LJ has done better than LT since he got the startng nod this year. LJ is only about 70 yards behind LT in rushing yards. LT has been shut down by the Chiefs, Broncos, Cowboys, Eagles etc.... LT is not as good as advertised. He is a great back and has moves like Sanders but he can be tackled way to easy with a simple arm tackle because he does not have much power. Not saying LJ can not be shut down but I am just confident in him since he put up 140 on a better run defense than Dallas has but each game is different so who knows.

 

[AdamJT13]

Team Points Allowed Team PPG Difference

San Diego-24---29.8---+5.8
Washington 14---20.1--- +6.1
San Francico 31---- 15.2---- -15.8
Oakland 19----- 20.8----- +1.8
Philly 10----- 20.8----- +10.8
NY Giants 13----- 26.6----- +13.6
Seattle 13----- 26.9----- +13.9
Arizona 13----- 19.9----- +6.9
Philly 20------ 20.8----- +.8
Detroit 7----- 15.8----- +8.8
Denver 24----- 25.8------ +1.8
NY Giants 17----- 26.6------ +9.9

Keep in mind that San Francisco, Philadelphia, Denver and the Giants all scored touchdowns against our offense or special teams, not our defense. And Seattle got a field goal when our defense never had a chance to step on the field.

 

[superpunk]

Keep in mind that San Francisco, Philadelphia, Denver and the Giants all scored touchdowns against our offense or special teams, not our defense. And Seattle got a field goal when our defense never had a chance to step on the field.

Excellent points. I think if you take away the defensive TDs, we average somewhere in the 15 ppg range. Unfortunately, we DID give those points up, soooooo.....

 

[1fisher]

Keep in mind that San Francisco, Philadelphia, Denver and the Giants all scored touchdowns against our offense or special teams, not our defense. And Seattle got a field goal when our defense never had a chance to step on the field.

nice.... I think people look at the score in general and don't bother to look at points by special teams and points off turnovers by the opposing defense..... that's huge! It's a shame that Denver and NY had to beat us because of turnovers....... :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[superpunk]

We have had 2 INTs and 2 fumbles returned for TDs. Without that, our ppg allowed drops to 14.8, which would be good enough for 3rd in theleague, against much tougher competition than either Indy or Chicago has had to face.

 

[brokeback]

page 3 and here's your direct words..... copied and pasted....You haven't faced the "highest powered offences in the NFL." You've got 1 impressive win this year, and it came in week 1. Conversely, you gave up more points to the 49ers than the Chiefs have given up to anyone all year.


I'll leave you with that because it's apparent neither is going to budge..........

I said you haven't faced the highest powered offences (Colts, Bengals, Chiefs). I did not say what you accused me of saying ie. you have not faced a single high powered offense. You've played 3 AFC teams, all in the Chiefs' division. You're 1-2 and have given up over 21 points per game.
The teams you're using to puff out your chest over are average to good offenses (Giants, Eagles, Seahawks). The Seahawks game was your most impressive defensive performance of the season and you still lost the game. Now you're without your starting MLB and have 2 banged up CBs. I stand by my statement. You have a good D. You do not have a great D. Good defenses keep their teams in games. Great defenses win games.

 

[brokeback]

We have had 2 INTs and 2 fumbles returned for TDs. Without that, our ppg allowed drops to 14.8, which would be good enough for 3rd in theleague, against much tougher competition than either Indy or Chicago has had to face.

It's very convenient to take away those points from your defense's stats but not the rest of the league's. It just doesn't prove anything.

 

[superpunk]

It's very convenient to take away those points from your defense's stats but not the rest of the league's. It just doesn't prove anything.

Fine. I checked it both ways. We would be 4th. Carolina would sneak past us at 14.5 ppg. It's just too bad we're not on their level. You'd think that we could manage more than .1 ppg defensively while facing competition an average of 8 spots (offensively) higher, but we just couldn't get it done.