Why do many on this board want Kellen Moore fired?

DallasEast said:
This entire conversation is purely based on what members would want. Kellen Moore's continued employment depends entirely upon Jerry Jones' whims. Nothing will be gained or lost by any member objecting to another member's opinion about the offensive coordinator's position. Or agreed upon for that matter.
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I completely understand this.

I would just like to know who this magical upgrade would be? Who has all this NFL experience but not be a HC? Because unless the Bucs or Panthers win the WC game by 4TD's (anything is possible with this bi-polar team), McCarthy isn't going anywhere.
 
KM has not been down the traditional road that most coaches experience. He and Garrett were pole vaulted into key positions by the GM, and their lack of expertise has been reflected in play calls and game management. I wonder how much influence Jerry has allowed McCarthy to have? Wouldn't hurt my feelings if he took over play calling or exerted more influence.
 
Direwolf63 said:
If I'm playing poker and I think I have a 2 percent chance of winning, I fold my hand. I don't go all in unless I'm bluffing. There is no bluffing in the NFL.

Moore has been OC for 5 years and QB coach 2 or 3 years before then. How much experience does somebody need to improve the results we have seen
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Wrong.. Moore was named OC in 2019.. meaning this is only his 4th year. He was QB coach in 2017 and 2018.. though I guess he was KINDA a QB coach in 2016 too.. Even if we give him credit for that year he was short on experience coming into the job. Of that there can be no debate. If he could improve his situational awareness no one would want him gone.. As I said right up front.. He's a good OC.. but he lacks feel for the game and frankly I've given up on him ever developing it. Being a good OC is less about "designing creative plays" as it is about knowing when to call what. It's also about putting your players in the best position to succeed. That means don't make it so easy for the defense to find and double team your best receiver. And when a starting corner leaves the game with an injury the next play should automatically be a bomb to whatever receiver lines up on the replacement corner's side. And last but not least.. a good OC knows damn well the difference between a 5 yard run against a defense vs a 5 yard pass and understands that not all yards are created equal. "Yards are yards?" Uh no.. they really aren't.
 
RonnieT24 said:
Wrong.. Moore was named OC in 2019.. meaning this is only his 4th year. He was QB coach in 2017 and 2018.. though I guess he was KINDA a QB coach in 2016 too.. Even if we give him credit for that year he was short on experience coming into the job. Of that there can be no debate. If he could improve his situational awareness no one would want him gone.. As I said right up front.. He's a good OC.. but he lacks feel for the game and frankly I've given up on him ever developing it. Being a good OC is less about "designing creative plays" as it is about knowing when to call what. It's also about putting your players in the best position to succeed. That means don't make it so easy for the defense to find and double team your best receiver. And when a starting corner leaves the game with an injury the next play should automatically be a bomb to whatever receiver lines up on the replacement corner's side. And last but not least.. a good OC knows damn well the difference between a 5 yard run against a defense vs a 5 yard pass and understands that not all yards are created equal. "Yards are yards?" Uh no.. they really aren't.
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I made my case with stats to support it. I don't read you ramblings. Paragraphs might help

Who is the upgrade? Support it with numbers. Where is he?
 
I'm done here

Unless I see a name with supporting stats and documentation of this marvellous upgrade waiting in the wings, there is no point going beyond this point. Bad english, but whatever
 
Direwolf63 said:
I completely understand this.

I would just like to know who this magical upgrade would be? Who has all this NFL experience but not be a HC? Because unless the Bucs or Panthers win the WC game by 4TD's (anything is possible with this bi-polar team), McCarthy isn't going anywhere.
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I have not stopped long enough to consider names. Perhaps I cannot offer any right away but I am curious also.

Why must there be some sort of upgrade? Should Kellen Moore be considered some sort of offensive football protege that the sport has never seen? Moore can be replaced by any qualified candidate with: a) a good resume, b) the ability to have players execute optimally, and c) make adequate in-game adjustments to what opposing defense presents quarter by quarter. The test is always the communication between coach and players. The relationships that are solidly on the same page are usually the most successful.

As far as I am concerned, Moore could improve his offensive playcalling by being more dependent on playaction, set up via the run game, than (sometime extended) misdirection trick plays. The goal of any offensive minded coach is to create positive gains every down no matter how explosive their scheme may be. It should always be preferable to have your offense to implement a scheme with a higher percentage rate of achieving 2nd-&-short and 3rd-&-short to convert first downs more easily and sustain drives, than try outwitting the defensive coordinator running east/west sideline-to-sideline.

Are members supposed to just think Kellen Moore is the only option at the position? What happens if Moore does move on? It does not automatically mean Mike McCarthy takes over. The vast majority of NFL coaching staffs do not have glaring holes if positions can be filled adequately. Is the offense doomed if Moore leaves? Just trying to get a better perspective of what members' expectations should be in a fictional scenario.
 
Direwolf63 said:
I made my case with stats to support it. I don't read you ramblings. Paragraphs might help

Who is the upgrade? Support it with numbers. Where is he?
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Here are some numbers for you.. The Cowboys have averaged only made the playoffs once since Moore became OC. They scored 17 points their one game and were held under 300 yards of offense. Regular season rankings don't mean diddly if you can't continue doing what you do in the playoffs. There are OCs who have had their teams score more than 17 points in a playoff game. Lots of them.

I don't want the #1 offense in the regular season.. I want the best offense in the playoffs. I DO NOT CARE about regular season rankings.. I care about wins. I don't care if they finish 35th in the league in regular season rankings.. as long as they score more points than the team in front of them.

Like I said, if Moore helps the team get busy this playoffs and they continue what they've shown in the regular season I will soften my stance. But if they put up another stinker at the most important time of the year.. I will continue to want him out of here. Even more so.
 
RomoIsGod said:
Makes so sense to me. The team is averaging 36 points per game since Dak got back and he was rusty against Detroit. The team is averaging 28.1 points overall with Dak and Rush combined. I don't get it. Is he perfect. No. But you show me one OC that is. He is an excellent OC in my opinion.

Think about this. The Cowboys just dropped 40 points on a top 2 defense. Let that sink in.
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Because thats the way it is. When we lose and have a bad game, someone has to go. Jerry needs to go, Stephen needs to go, we lose in the playoffs and Mike has to go, Our offense has a play call that doesnt work at a crucial point in the game, Moore has to go. Thats the way it is around this place...... its like that old Cruise movie..... you need to be fired, they need to be fired, she needs to be fired.... everyone needs to be fired.

I just looked it up and we are barely behind the chiefs in Eagles in pts scored. Had Dak been healthy all season we would be in front of everyone. Isnt points the name of the game for an offense? But again, if we lose in the playoffs 42-40... it will clearly be Moore's fault and the bum has to go.
 
KM has incorporated CDEE and pollard in really shallow drag routes and defenses are needing to move more resources up and allowing deep stuff to open up.
 
RonnieT24 said:
Here are some numbers for you.. The Cowboys have averaged only made the playoffs once since Moore became OC. They scored 17 points their one game and were held under 300 yards of offense. Regular season rankings don't mean diddly if you can't continue doing what you do in the playoffs. There are OCs who have had their teams score more than 17 points in a playoff game. Lots of them.

I don't want the #1 offense in the regular season.. I want the best offense in the playoffs. I DO NOT CARE about regular season rankings.. I care about wins. I don't care if they finish 35th in the league in regular season rankings.. as long as they score more points than the team in front of them.

Like I said, if Moore helps the team get busy this playoffs and they continue what they've shown in the regular season I will soften my stance. But if they put up another stinker at the most important time of the year.. I will continue to want him out of here. Even more so.
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So this last game against the Eagles... Moore called a good game? Coached dont change much game to game. They coach, but look at the play where Dak was sacked and he did an amazing job of staying upright and got the ball to Gallup to get a first down and we scored on that drive.... did that somehow make Moore better? Had he been sacked was that now because Moore sucks?

I would argue Moore called a good game last year, but if players dont execute, thats on Moore? The pick Dak had against the niners in the playoffs that led to a niner td right after, that WR was open and dak had a horrible pass on the wrong side of the WR... is that on Moore?

When players play great... coaches are tremendous. When players play like garbage, coaches stink.

Look at Foles last night, he was horrible.... I guess that coaching was just subpar?
 
DallasEast said:
I have not stopped long enough to consider names. Perhaps I cannot offer any right away but I am curious also.

Why must there be some sort of upgrade? Should Kellen Moore be considered some sort of offensive football protege that the sport has never seen? Moore can be replaced by any qualified candidate with: a) a good resume, b) the ability to have players execute optimally, and c) make adequate in-game adjustments to what opposing defense presents quarter by quarter. The test is always the communication between coach and players. The relationships that are solidly on the same page are usually the most successful.

As far as I am concerned, Moore could improve his offensive playcalling by being more dependent on playaction, set up via the run game, than (sometime extended) misdirection trick plays. The goal of any offensive minded coach is to create positive gains every down no matter how explosive their scheme may be. It should always be preferable to have your offense to implement a scheme with a higher percentage rate of achieving 2nd-&-short and 3rd-&-short to convert first downs more easily and sustain drives, than try outwitting the defensive coordinator running east/west sideline-to-sideline.

Are members supposed to just think Kellen Moore is the only option at the position? What happens if Moore does move on? It does not automatically mean Mike McCarthy takes over. The vast majority of NFL coaching staffs do not have glaring holes if positions can be filled adequately. Is the offense doomed if Moore leaves? Just trying to get a better perspective of what members' expectations should be in a fictional scenario.
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If you are not getting better you are getting worse. If you are not upgrading, you are downgrading. It's really that simple. It makes no sense to change OC's if it is, at best, a lateral move. You only make the move to get better.

As for playcalling, people know much less than they think they do. How many plays does Dak audible out of? If he audibles, what was the original playcall? Are Daks audibles at the LOS are they real audibles or dummy calls? Would that original play call have worked better? We simply don't know unless you are in that coaches room studying film from that last game.

People want to throw Moore out after having a top offense for years when they know nothing about what goes on behind the scenes. It's idiocy. You can only draw conclusions based on what we know. And that is the final statistics. And they have been stellar since he took over. Period

If this offense was the 25th or 20th best year after year, I would be right there with you banging that drum. But it's not. It's been the top offense for awhile now. I guess people want the #0 offense I guess.
 
I don't want him fired but I do want him reigned in a bit.

Watching breakdown videos it is clear that he has the ability to scheme people open in the passing game but he gets away from the running game too much and has really poor timing with screens and tricks plays. He kills far too many drives getting cute, this offense doesn't need cute it needs to stay balanced and focused.
 
Situational play calling is the number one problem with Moore. Very rarely does he take advantage of what the defense is giving him. He has no feel for what play to call at critical points in the game.

The other huge problem is the fact that none of his trick plays work. Any time we try a reverse, flea flicker or whatever ends in abject failure or loss of yards. When is the last time the offense ran a successful screen? This is very telling.

Both of these facts are the reason the Cowboys will flounder in the playoffs.

Moore has talent. But he definitely needs to learn on the job somewhere else before he is givin the keys to an NFL offense.
 
Predictable playcalling that is masked by a talented offense. Route tree sucks too. Takes too long to develop, and or again is highly predictable. No rub routes, nothing. Limited motion usage as well. Usually, it's just a tell for a run play. Don't even get me started on the jet sweeps at useless times.
 
Doomsday said:
I don't want him fired but I do want him reigned in a bit.

Watching breakdown videos it is clear that he has the ability to scheme people open in the passing game but he gets away from the running game too much and has really poor timing with screens and tricks plays. He kills far too many drives getting cute, this offense doesn't need cute it needs to stay balanced and focused.
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name me a team that is more balanced than the Dallas Cowboys?
 
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