Why Does Tony Romo Have Leverage Over Anyone?

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Super_Kazuya;5030105 said:
Yes. If they also went into the game 15-0 and won, they would have also made the playoffs. It was just one regular season game. There's no cause and effect.

Wow, thanks for the entertainment for the last hour. I needed a good laugh.
 

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bkight13;5030109 said:
Wow, thanks for the entertainment for the last hour. I needed a good laugh.

Anytime, friend. I enjoy teaching casual fans about football. PM me and I will continue the discussion by explaining the length of the field, first downs, and more.
 

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dstone2962;5030086 said:
I know that. in big roles is a pretty vital statement.
Concerning age, I would worry about Ratliff and maybe Ware in the near term.

They need to draft at least one dlineman, imo.

The oline is just ugly, so even though they're not real old, I'd still draft as many as realistically possible.
 

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Super_Kazuya;5030105 said:
Yes. If they also went into the game 15-0 and won, they would have also made the playoffs. It was just one regular season game. There's no cause and effect.

:laugh2: :laugh2:

I just have to laugh at you for trying to make sense to people with no sense!

The Cowboys were lucky enough, team wise, with all the injuries, to even get the chance to play that last game for the division. But, as you stated, the Cowboys could have lost the third game of the season or any other game during the season that would have kept them from the playoffs...but, you are never going to get that through some thick heads!

And, I don't get this "elimination" game crap. That last game was still a regular season game. It does not become "elimination" until they get into the playoffs...that is a true elimination game. So I guess from game 1 to game 16 are all elimination games for them.

But, you are pissing in the wind if you think you can convince anyone that hates Romo that he was the reason the Cowboys lost that game. He may not have played his best game, but he was not the Lone Ranger on that team.

Good luck with your mission. You would have better results teaching a five year old.
 

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CoCo;5030014 said:
I think its totally fair to point out what you have.

And I also think the Cowboys loss in Washington is probably a little more complicated than "Tony had a bad day." Not to suggest what % of responsibility you are placing there.

Clearly there was too much for Tony to deal with on that day AND create success. Now the question is how to best solve that going forward. Is it plugging in a different QB to that same situation which then results in a division title? Or does that yield the same result until we come up with better pass protection, running game, or attack scheme that enhances those?

The loss to Washington was more than just Romo not having a good game the Cowboys struggled all season just to stay at 500 for a number of reasons. There's issues with the coaching, defense, OL and running game. Every QB has a lot to deal with especially on the road in an elimination game. The QB's that succeed are able to persevere through the adversity. RG3 had much to deal with himself that night on an injured knee that finally gave way on him the following week.

It's not as simple as plugging in another QB because it would take a productive QB like Romo who can avoid defenders and make plays outside the pocket to have any success on this team. Joe Flacco wouldn't be successful on this team with the OL and lack of running game the Cowboys have plus the defense isn't opportunistic.

The problem with Romo is no matter what team you put him on he's always going to have issues with turnovers, impulse throws, decision making and dealing with big game pressure. Regardless of what team he's on these will always be issues with him because at 32 he is what he is and it's not going to change. Although I've been very critical of him I still support him because I know finding a better QB won't be easy. I just continue to hope that the light will eventually come on for him in one of these games and he'll perform like he does in less critical games during the regular season.

I know he's capable of playing well in adverse situations he displays it several times every season with some great throws it's just can he do it when it matters most. At this stage in his career the doubts are starting to grow and I'm sure they're growing within the organization. At some point the Cowboys are going to give up on him if he continues melting down in these elimination games. Every team reaches their breaking point with a QB and Romo is approaching the age when that could possibly happen with the Cowboys in the next year or two. His production and playmaking ability is the only thing that keeps you holding out hope.
 

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KJJ;5030141 said:
The loss to Washington was more than just Romo not having a good game the Cowboys struggled all season just to stay at 500 for a number of reasons. There's issues with the coaching, defense, OL and running game. Every QB has a lot to deal with especially on the road in an elimination game. The QB's that succeed are able to persevere through the adversity. RG3 had much to deal with himself that night on an injured knee that finally gave way on him the following week.

It's not as simple as plugging in another QB because it would take a productive QB like Romo who can avoid defenders and make plays outside the pocket to have any success on this team. Joe Flacco wouldn't be successful on this team with the OL and lack of running game the Cowboys have plus the defense isn't opportunistic.

The problem with Romo is no matter what team you put him on he's always going to have issues with turnovers, impulse throws, decision making and dealing with big game pressure. Regardless of what team he's on these will always be issues with him because at 32 he is what he is and it's not going to change. Although I've been very critical of him I still support him because I know finding a better QB won't be easy. I just continue to hope that the light will eventually come on for him in one of these games and he'll perform like he does in less critical games during the regular season.

I know he's capable of playing well in adverse situations he displays it several times every season with some great throws it's just can he do it when it matters most. At this stage in his career the doubts are starting to grow and I'm sure they're growing within the organization. At some point the Cowboys are going to give up on him if he continues melting down in these elimination games. Every team reaches their breaking point with a QB and Romo is approaching the age when that could possibly happen with the Cowboys in the next year or two. His production and playmaking ability is the only thing that keeps you holding out hope.

Agree. What makes Tony great at times, is what also gets him in trouble. Namely costly turnovers, and overall game management.
 

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Super_Kazuya;5030105 said:
Yes. If they also went into the game 15-0 and won, they would have also made the playoffs. It was just one regular season game. There's no cause and effect.

And to think, I spent the whole winter thinking we could have gone to the playoffs had we won that last game.

What a relief.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;5030166 said:
And to think, I spent the whole winter thinking we could have gone to the playoffs had we won that last game.

What a relief.

LOL, no doubt. They think since it wasn't a playoff game that it really didn't matter. The missed tackle back in September really kept us out of the playoffs.....:rolleyes:
 

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Arkyvarminter;5030174 said:
LOL, no doubt. They think since it wasn't a playoff game that it really didn't matter. The missed tackle back in September really kept us out of the playoffs.....:rolleyes:

Since the beginning of a season, every loss is capable of keeping a team out of the playoffs. Just because that last game was the one is not any more relevant than the other 16.

:rolleyes:
 

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5Stars;5030179 said:
Since the beginning of a season, every loss is capable of keeping a team out of the playoffs. Just because that last game was the one is not any more relevant than the other 16.

:rolleyes:
That's mostly true, except division games count for more, so that game was improtant as the division games. The game we should have won was the home game vs Washington.


As for that last drive vs Washington. I wonder if anyone has looked at who was out there with him and compared that supporting group to any other team in the 32 team league. I'm curious if you could find one team worse at that very moment.
Zero run game
A line that is toal disarray
No blitz pickups
No Dez bryant
No Miles Austin
No Dwayne Harris

It may as well have been Jacksonville (but without Blackmon) out there..but worse.
Yet if Romo does not deliver, it's all on him.
Silliness
 

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GimmeTheBall!;5030166 said:
And to think, I spent the whole winter thinking we could have gone to the playoffs had we won that last game.

What a relief.

And, the last game was the only one that kept them from making the playoffs?

What about a team that has already won the division and does not take the last game serious?

Every loss during a 16 game season has the potential to keep a team from not making the playoffs. Were you worried about the other, what, 8 other losses?

And to make matters worse! If the Cowboys would have won the Skins game, they would have been beaten in the first round...and Romo would be even more ridiculed...except 10 fold!!

So, I guess you and others were alright with all the other losses, but the last one kept you cold during the Winter?

:drunk:
 

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5Stars;5030179 said:
Since the beginning of a season, every loss is capable of keeping a team out of the playoffs. Just because that last game was the one is not any more relevant than the other 16.

:rolleyes:

Being eliminated at, say week 13, is no different than being eliminated at week 17 is what your saying. If this is true, then the skins game wasn't any more important that any other game. The coaches and players ignored the fact that if they won, they were in the playoffs? You don't think they played a little harder and prepared a little more because of what was riding on that last game? That last game was essentially a playoff game since the loser went home and the winner advanced. Like I said earlier, if this is the mindset of some, than that missed tackle in September is what kept us out, not a hard fought contest on Dec. 30....
 

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5Stars;5030188 said:
And, the last game was the only one that kept them from making the playoffs?

What about a team that has already won the division and does not take the last game serious?

Every loss during a 16 game season has the potential to keep a team from not making the playoffs. Were you worried about the other, what, 8 other losses?

And to make matters worse! If the Cowboys would have won the Skins game, they would have been beaten in the first round...and Romo would be even more ridiculed...except 10 fold!!

So, I guess you and others were alright with all the other losses, but the last one kept you cold during the Winter?

:drunk:

So many things wrong with your response. Let me flaunt the ways.
1. Yes, the last game was THE final game that kept the 'Boys out of the playoffs. I'd love to have won the other 7, but I was not watching the free TV at the mission with the thought in mind "Dang, oh, how I roux the other 7 games and I don't care about this one that MIGHT get us into the playoffs."
2. Every game has the potential to keep a team out of the playoffs. True. But oddly, I keep thinking that the last game mattered.
3. And even if we made the playoffs, Romo would have lost that game. Oh, mercy, how little faith you half in our great QB.
4. I can only speak for myself and my couties: I was never alright with the other losses. It just looked that way with me lying on the floor surrounding by Blotto beer bottles. And let me tell you, those 5-interception games by Tony WILL NEVER be alright with me. It's called protecting the ball and knowing where your receivers and defenders are. If you cannot protect the ball downfield then maybe you are not a great QB and maybe you dont deserve 16 mil a year. But that is just me.
5. Yes, it was a cold, cold winter. I ranted when the heat was turned off too. Luckily, Ms. Busty was there to keep the coldt at bay.

So I hopes I half answered some questions in your minds. I half questions about Romo but I am reconciled with the pact that we'll shower millions on a soon to be 33-year old who chokes in key games and will come up with a pair of 4- or 5-INT games and shows little evidence that he is not a choker. But that is just me.

Hey, I admire you sticking up for Romo. I no it aint easy as pie.
Speaking of pie, I half have a lemon pie and you are welcome to come sit and eat and chew the fat as they say at Texas A&M. chewing the fat is preferable there than looking at them homily girls.
 

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DFWJC;5030185 said:
That's mostly true, except division games count for more, so that game was improtant as the division games. The game we should have won was the home game vs Washington.


As for that last drive vs Washington. I wonder if anyone has looked at who was out there with him and compared that supporting group to any other team in the 32 team league. I'm curious if you could find one team worse at that very moment.
Zero run game
A line that is toal disarray
No blitz pickups
No Dez bryant
No Miles Austin
No Dwayne Harris

It may as well have been Jacksonville (but without Blackmon) out there..but worse.
Yet if Romo does not deliver, it's all on him.
Silliness

The bold part is right on, thanks for that.

But, all the other stuff you listed? Romo should have been able to overcome all of that! And, what about all the injuries on the defense? If Romo cannot overcome all of that, he needs kicked to the curb!

If only we had Quincy Carter...:eek:: Now, that dude would have won several superbowls. Or, any of the baseball players we had? They would have at least won one SB!
 

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GimmeTheBall!;5030197 said:
So many things wrong with your response. Let me flaunt the ways.
1. Yes, the last game was THE final game that kept the 'Boys out of the playoffs. I'd love to have won the other 7, but I was not watching the free TV at the mission with the thought in mind "Dang, oh, how I roux the other 7 games and I don't care about this one that MIGHT get us into the playoffs."
2. Every game has the potential to keep a team out of the playoffs. True. But oddly, I keep thinking that the last game mattered.
3. And even if we made the playoffs, Romo would have lost that game. Oh, mercy, how little faith you half in our great QB.
4. I can only speak for myself and my couties: I was never alright with the other losses. It just looked that way with me lying on the floor surrounding by Blotto beer bottles. And let me tell you, those 5-interception games by Tony WILL NEVER be alright with me. It's called protecting the ball and knowing where your receivers and defenders are. If you cannot protect the ball downfield then maybe you are not a great QB and maybe you dont deserve 16 mil a year. But that is just me.
5. Yes, it was a cold, cold winter. I ranted when the heat was turned off too. Luckily, Ms. Busty was there to keep the coldt at bay.

So I hopes I half answered some questions in your minds. I half questions about Romo but I an reconciled with the pact that may come in showering millions on a soon to be 33-year old who chokes in key games and will come up with a pair of 4- or 5-INT games and shows little evidence that he is not a choker. But that is just me.

Hey, I admire you sticking up for Romo. I no it aint easy as pie.
Speaking of pie, I half have a lemon pie and you are welcome to come sit and eat and chew the fat as they say at Texas A&M. chewing the fat is preferable there than looking at them homily girls.

All I am saying, bro...is that every game is important during a season. Romo and the team won enough games to even get into a position to try and make the playoffs. Romo did not lose that game by his bad self. He threw the last int to seal the deal, but if ONLY he could have blocked that defender that was in his face 2 seconds after the snap? The Cowboy would have won the SB.

I love Lemon Pie! I think I will go to Villlage Inn and get me one now! :confused:
 

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5Stars;5030211 said:
All I am saying, bro...is that every game is important during a season. Romo and the team won enough games to even get into a position to try and make the playoffs. Romo did not lose that game by his bad self. He threw the last int to seal the deal, but if ONLY he could have blocked that defender that was in his face 2 seconds after the snap? The Cowboy would have won the SB.

I love Lemon Pie! I think I will go to Villlage Inn and get me one now! :confused:

Village Inn?
You would pick the VI over visting ol' Gimme????? Now I half heard ever thing!!!! I promise you an evening filled with mirth and conviviality. Ms. Busty will make some crescent rolls and boil some eggs and maybe bake a cake. Does that sound irisistable or what?
Oh, and I half dug a hole in the backyard. No reason, just to see if there was anything in the clay and rock. We could boff jump in and then ask Ms. Busty to lend a hand up and then we could see her . . . gliistening eyes . . . well, you know what ah means.:)
 

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GimmeTheBall!;5030228 said:
Village Inn?
You would pick the VI over visting ol' Gimme????? Now I half heard ever thing!!!! I promise you an evening filled with mirth and conviviality. Ms. Busty will make some crescent rolls and boil some eggs and maybe bake a cake. Does that sound irisistable or what?
Oh, and I half dug a hole in the backyard. No reason, just to see if there was anything in the clay and rock. We could boff jump in and then ask Ms. Busty to lend a hand up and then we could see her . . . gliistening eyes . . . well, you know what ah means.:)

So..you think I can go from Utah all the way to Texas just to eat some pie? :confused:

I would love to! Can Romo come? (he has to drive:cool: ) Maybe I better not go down there...sorry.
 

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Super_Kazuya;5030039 said:
But I'm proud of you, you didn't say the word "elimination games" for the first time I've ever seen in one of your posts.

You actually want to get into that argument again like you didn't look silly enough the last time? According to you I made up the term "elimination game" it all started with me and ESPN and everyone else followed along. :laugh2:
 

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Arkyvarminter;5029503 said:
Are you Psychic? Also, you complain about people complaining yet you join in with a long dumb thread?

uh this is a forum where we all give opinions, yet you take them as fact....

and one more thing, I did not realize I was banned from replying in a dumb thread. I see where you were going with this but honestly, it is a very poor attempt.

uh yeah, almost forgot - :welcome: to the internet
 
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