Why I feel it is Zeke or bust

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If JJ's goal, is to return to be as good as we were in the early 90"s...consider this...

As much as credit as was given to the Triplets, neither of them would have been what they were without a dominate offensive line. When that line started to falter or was absent, it meant the end of the Triplets.
Irvin's career ended because he had to go over the middle into the teeth of the Eagles defense and got slammed into the concrete turf called Veterans Stadium, because of his QB not having enough time. Aikman had to end his career because of the brutal hits he was taking both trying to stay in the pocket and the unfortunate times he was forced to run. (ie, LaVar Arrington). And Emmitt's career basically came to an end on a hit from Roy Williams while playing for the Cardinals.
We have the dominate line, we have an elite quarterback and receiver once again. The only piece that is missing...is a truly elite running back. Our team from last year paid the price for this 4th overall pick....NOW USE IT!!! He's our's...!!!
 

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Two years ago, and as usual, the defense was ultimately our undoing. Tell me how Elliott leading the league changes that, when Murray leading the league didn't.

The strategy behind drafting Zeke is that the defense is going to suck this year, no matter what. Not only are our DEs suspended, but we pretty much are fielding the exact same unit from last year. Also, there is nobody in the draft this year on defense that is going to significantly change this dynamic either.

So if you know your defense is going to suck and will give up 35 points a game, what do you do to overcome this? You have to field an offense that can score >35 points a game. Going Zeke allows you to field an offense with the following components.........

A top 5 QB
A top 5 WR
A first ballot HOF TE
Basically 4 first round picks on the oline (Smith, Martin, Fredrick, Collins)
And the top RB in college football last year

If Garrett & Linehan cant figure out how to score 35 points a game with this offense, there is no hope for these idiots. This is about as loaded an offense you can put together in the NFL, it would be the second coming of the "Greatest Show on Turf".
 

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So if you know your defense is going to suck and will give up 35 points a game, what do you do to overcome this? You have to field an offense that can score >35 points a game. Going Zeke allows you to field an offense with the following components.........

A top 5 QB
A top 5 WR
A first ballot HOF TE
Basically 4 first round picks on the oline (Smith, Martin, Fredrick, Collins)
And the top RB in college football last year

If Garrett & Linehan cant figure out how to score 35 points a game with this offense, there is no hope for these idiots. This is about as loaded an offense you can put together in the NFL, it would be the second coming of the "Greatest Show on Turf".

Great -- if that strategy plays out they have a good shot of fielding an offense as lethal as the 2014 team.

Problem with that team is defense let them down.

How does drafting Zeke in the 1st round change that equation?
 

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The strategy behind drafting Zeke is that the defense is going to suck this year, no matter what. Not only are our DEs suspended, but we pretty much are fielding the exact same unit from last year. Also, there is nobody in the draft this year on defense that is going to significantly change this dynamic either.

So if you know your defense is going to suck and will give up 35 points a game, what do you do to overcome this? You have to field an offense that can score >35 points a game. Going Zeke allows you to field an offense with the following components.........

A top 5 QB
A top 5 WR
A first ballot HOF TE
Basically 4 first round picks on the oline (Smith, Martin, Fredrick, Collins)
And the top RB in college football last year

If Garrett & Linehan cant figure out how to score 35 points a game with this offense, there is no hope for these idiots. This is about as loaded an offense you can put together in the NFL, it would be the second coming of the "Greatest Show on Turf".

I don't think you realize how difficult it is for an offense to average 35 points per game.

And even if it could eventually a good defense is going to shut you down.

Re-watch the SB.

A very good RB isn't going to help this team more than a very good defensive player, especially given the overall talent on each unit.
 

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Great -- if that strategy plays out they have a good shot fielding an offense as lethal as the 2014 team.

Problem with that team is defense let them down.

How does drafting Zeke in the 1st round change that equation?

Exactly what I just posted.

2014 all over again.

Playoffs but certainly no SB threat.
 

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Great -- if that strategy plays out they have a good shot of fielding an offense as lethal as the 2014 team.

Problem with that team is defense let them down.

How does drafting Zeke in the 1st round change that equation?

Who are you going to draft on defense that is going to change this dynamic?

Bosa?
Ramsey?
Buckner?
Lawson?
Jack?
Hardgraves?

Look, if Von Miller or Mario Williams was in this draft, I would be right with you on drafting defense, but they are not. There are no prospects on defense this year that don't have considerable question marks and who would make a significant difference so the smart move is to supercharge the offense to compensate for this horrid defense.
 

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I don't think you realize how difficult it is for an offense to average 35 points per game.

And even if it could eventually a good defense is going to shut you down.

Re-watch the SB.

A very good RB isn't going to help this team more than a very good defensive player, especially given the overall talent on each unit.

I disagree because there are no sure fire defensive players in this draft that don't have considerable question marks.

The team also was trying to trade and bring Murry back, so they obviously see the RB position as not being satisfactory right now.

I guess we shall see Thursday night.
 

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We need DLine help. But I'm for taking best player available. If Elliott is there take him. DEs are not as sure fire guys in drafts. Particularly top 5.
 

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The strategy behind drafting Zeke is that the defense is going to suck this year, no matter what. Not only are our DEs suspended, but we pretty much are fielding the exact same unit from last year. Also, there is nobody in the draft this year on defense that is going to significantly change this dynamic either.

So if you know your defense is going to suck and will give up 35 points a game, what do you do to overcome this? You have to field an offense that can score >35 points a game. Going Zeke allows you to field an offense with the following components.........

A top 5 QB
A top 5 WR
A first ballot HOF TE
Basically 4 first round picks on the oline (Smith, Martin, Fredrick, Collins)
And the top RB in college football last year

If Garrett & Linehan cant figure out how to score 35 points a game with this offense, there is no hope for these idiots. This is about as loaded an offense you can put together in the NFL, it would be the second coming of the "Greatest Show on Turf".

It's not just the ability to score, its TOP and keeping our sure to be poor defense OFF the field as much as possible
 

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I have been seeing reports that indicate that there is a conflict at Valley Ranch over the #4 pick.

Jerry wants Zeke, but Stephen wants Bosa?

Who will win? We'll find out on Thursday night.
 

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I have been seeing reports that indicate that there is a conflict at Valley Ranch over the #4 pick.

Jerry wants Zeke, but Stephen wants Bosa?

Who will win? We'll find out on Thursday night.


I don't buy any such conflict. Just media guys trying to make a name for themselves. Sure Jerry would like EE just not at 4. Especially when 2 of your DE have 4 game suspensions.
 

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Everyone was loving DeMarco Murray and his 1800yrs two years ago but they seem to forget he was a 3rd round draft pick. Now folks want a great RB on the team again but for some reason think we have to use our 1st round pick to get it. That's just poor management of draft picks, IMHO. We can use that 1st pick to fill a bigger weakness and still have the 2nd or 3rd pick to get great RB talent. It doesn't have to be Zeke but that's the rabbit hole some folks fall in.

No one forgot. Take the best player at #4. If Elliott is that, so be it.
 

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Well the one player worth that 4 spot considering other teams gonna move up to grab if he is there just a few spots down (Miami is one of them) is Ezekiel Elliott.

Moving down out of top ten does not make the players they would get at 10 any better so stay at 4 and grab the player that would make a huge difference for this team

I agree, trading down is great if it works, and you still get the player you want.
However if we trade down and another team picks EE then it didnt work.

The more picks in later rounds, is good, but the best players still go early.
 

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Would you still want Zeke at 4 if you knew Garrett would give the same number of reps to Morris and/or McFadden this season?

This is something I wondered about...considering that it was injuries that ultimately led to our last running backs starting. And to be honest, I really can't decide. On one hand, you have what he has done in the past and in the other you have the conventional thinking that picking a player this high you expect to start. I would hope that Zeke has enough pop in what he does early compared to the veterans and is able to adapt quickly to the speed of the game.
 

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I think Elliott is the better RB but Henry is the better defensive choice for this team. Plus I love watching opponents making business decisions.

Henry's style,though, is not conducive to a long career. See Brandon Jacobs, Marion Barber, and more recently Demarco Murray.
 

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Great -- if that strategy plays out they have a good shot of fielding an offense as lethal as the 2014 team.

Problem with that team is defense let them down.

How does drafting Zeke in the 1st round change that equation?

It wasn't just the defense that let them down.. it was the offense too. We made mistakes on both sides of the ball in that GreenBay game. We were extremely close to going to the super bowl that year. Had we beat GB, we would have had a very good shot at beating a Seattle team that we beat earlier in the season.

If you give me the season we had in 2014 in 2016 I would be extremely happy with it. We need a dominant RB behind a dominant Oline.
 
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