Why is Dak refusing to give the cowboys a discount? Mahomes did!

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I say tag Dak with the non- exclusive tag let him test the market if some other team bids an outrages amount let him go and pick up their next two first round picks and go with Dalton he did just as good as Dak without most of his starting lineman. Remember Dak couldn’t win with just one o-lineman (Smith) out. Then Dak gets his money. If no team bids outrages money cowboys can match the highest bid and that will truly be his market value.

oh please. please stop this Dalton did as good as Dak. Dalton beat three teams with 4 wins and their back up QBs and he needed 9 turnovers to do it.....so just stop it with that bullshiet. Dalton got his arse handed to him against WFT, AZ and Ravens teams that are average to good. I mean he got his arse handed to him and got his head almost knocked off.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You really think that translates to football? What was Fitzpatrick making? Did Foles get market value when he left the Eagles? You're suggesting that Dak should expect similar pay to top end players at his position. Some of which are much better than Dak. If Dallas wants to do that, go right ahead. But whenever you meet that team in the playoffs you'll be at a disadvantage before the coin toss.

fitpatrick got what he deserved for who he is...a QB on his 7th (or is it 8th team). a QB that nobody really wanted except for a short stop gap. Foles got what he deserved. he actually was contemplating retirement. he had one hot streak, with a hot team that won the superbowl. besides that he is a very average to below average QB. couldn't beat out turbiskey and Chicago wants to move on from turbiskey.

Dak is a top 10 QB. he should expect similar pay to other top 10 QBs...why should he take less? when Zeke, Jaylon, Cooper, Lawrence all got paid market value and above. did anyone here ask those guys to take a small discount, lets say 1-2M each and we would have 8M in cap space....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The reason is b/c Dak and his agent are trying to save face b/c they have gambled the past 2 seasons and lost. It made no financial sense for Dak to play out the 4th year of his rookie contract making 400k only to sign a franchise tag the next year. It makes them look like morons. BUT, if Dak can get a deal that is significantly larger than the ones he has already turned down, it looks better and reflects less poorly on his agent.

that was so childish I don't know where to begin. they are trying to save face!!! really. you think that's at play? Jerry said Dak is got all the leverage. Dak just made 32M, that would be about half of what he would have gotten as signing bonus on his contract. if he gets tagged again he makes 38, that would be 70M, which is about what he would have made as a signing bonus....how is that losing? if he doesn't get tagged, he probably will get 70-90M in bonus, and add the 32, which makes it a 100M...so how did he exactly lose? you are not a very good negotiator are you!!! I would like to have you on the other side of the table if I am negotiating a contract.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

None the less....

They never anticipated a 4th round pick becoming the de facto starter at the very beginning of his career and for the entire period of his rookie contract.

Goff and Wentz got the money as the #1 and #2 overall pick. Where are they now?

Even from the perspective of a rookie contract, the Cowboys got a discount.

that's more of an evaluation issue than just where you got drafted, that's why a lot of writers do a draft re-do...its knowing after the fact. Brady was a 6th round pick and now he is the goat....who did that evaluation? Leaf was #2...where is he now.....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Mahomes signed for less b/c he is a winner who cares about winning. Dak's best year is still 2016, but lets keep pretending like he's accomplished something and compare him to QBs who have seen conference title games and Super Bowls. Its a fun off season exercise.

Or, maybe we can make a run at another "most valuable franchise" title.

that's not true....Mahomes got a 10 year 500M contract. average of 50M/year.....that's about 10M above current market value. he got a contract with 2 years remaining on his contract, which means he got a ton, a boat load of money up front and a contract that is the largest in NFL history....so lets not make him into this saint, and a guy who cares about winning. I think its stupid to say he cares about winning and Dak and few others don't.....

and Watson got paid. he is 1-2 in the playoffs.
Grapolo got the team to superbowl, is he deserving of his money...apprantely his team is trying to move on from him.
Dilfer got to the superbowl and won it...perhaps he should have been given the largest QB contract at the time.

come on people, this line of argument is so meaningless I don't know where to begin.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So because Dak fell into a good situation in Dallas and the 2016 QB draft class sucked (not the first time that ever happened) that somehow proclaims Dak as an amazing QB???? Desperation.

could the same argument be made about Brady? he was a 6th rounder...Montana was a 3rd round pick. etc.....the list is very long.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The worst argument for not signing Prescott is that will prevent them from building a defense. What has prevented them for 20 years?

They have not built a defense because they are poor at evaluating D talent.

This assumption that they will take the savings not paying Prescott and apply that to making the team better is totally unfounded. When have they ever done that?

The last real A talent they picked up in FA was Glover and that was Parcells, not these D challenged people. These people paid a #2CB #1 pay and played him out of his natural position.

There is absolutely 0 connection between signing Dak Prescott and building a defense. GB, NO, PHL built contending defenses while paying the QB because they're better at evaluating players and having a plan for building.

Don't talk about hindrances to building the D based on the QB when you have a GM making a splash with a WR in the 1st. The 2nd one in 3 drafts.

 

[JoeKing]

There is no reason for Dak to take a discounted contract deal. He has every right to demand full price.

 

[conner01]

Two issues with that
- Jerry already committed foolish money to descending stars like zeke and overpaid many others
- this defense will need a massive cap space . Keeping Dak at 35-40 mil will prevent that . They offered him 5 years to have flexibility, but he said no.

By the time any new signing starts costing huge money, zeke won’t matter because you can move on from him if you want as well as Cooper

 

[Flamma]

Dollar wise no that example from a company doesn't translate to football, but the idea of how people find it so easy to say an NFL player should take less but when it comes to themselves it's a different story. does fit that idea.

Next Foles when he left the eagles this last time he was a backup QB who stepped in for an injured Wentz, but still a backup QB and when he left he got market value for a backup QB who had starting experience. He's making all of 4 mil a year now.

Here's something all of those that say don't pay the market value for Prescott just don't get. The market value for players, especially QB's go up EVERY year. Then you keep wanting to compare Prescott to other QB that signed their contracts in previous years when the market value was LOWER than the current year. Example, in 2018 Rodgers signed a contract that pays him 33 mil a year when the market value was much lower than it is today.

Prescott started setting NFL records as a rookie and continued even in his injury shorten season this year. Most people in the sporting world think the Cowboys probably got the biggest steal of the 2016 draft getting Prescott in the 4th round. Form the 2nd year in a row Prescott going into free agency is the #1 rated free agent. Unlike some people here who claim to be Cowboys fans, most of the people in the sporting world do expect Prescott to get market value for QB's.

Lastly, unlike those opposed to signing Prescott I know that the NFL is a team game and that teams that win the Super Bowl have good teams that surround their QB, good other skill players, good defenses, good offensive lines and when the Cowboys fill in some holes and Prescott get those advantages that the Super Bowl winning teams enjoy, then we'll see the Cowboys make their move.
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It's really this simple. If Dak is taking up roughly the same amount of cap space as Aaron Rodgers, then both the Green Bay Packers and Cowboys have the same amount of money for the rest of the team. Dallas is at a disadvantage because Rodgers is much better than Dak. Dallas needs luck for the Cowboys to overcome that advantage. It's really no more complicated than that. Dak and the Cowboys couldn't even beat them with Dak on a rookie deal. Going to beat them with Dak at 35-40 million? Never going to happen. But at least the Cowboys gave it a good try and made the playoffs. If that's the bar you want to set, fine. Have at it.

 

[Steve007]

Dak is a top 10 talent. based on what FO personnel (50 of them) ranked the current QBs.

I was a dak critic couple of years back and heavily advocated and wait to resign him, until we see some of the improvements I wanted to see in him, and at the time I said, if he does improve and we slightly over pay, then that's fine. its better to slightly over pay, than make a mistake with a big contract (think Goff). so we are there.

and how do you build a defense/ I keep hearing if we pay Dak we can't build a defense. so enlighten me....how are you planning to build a defense? which talent are you going to lose on defense that you so desparetley want to keep and can't? are you suggesting we go on a FA shopping spree?

The reason Jerry hasn't given Dak what he wants isn't because he cant afford it the reason is the salary cap. Why do you think Dak hasn't been signed yet? Jerry has no problem overpaying players so it seams that Dak is asking for too much money even for Jerry. The salary cap matters. You don't go a free agent shopping spree, but it is important to use free agents for pieces for the team. You tell be how giving Dak the big contract is going to help them build a defense? Seattle hasn't been able to get back to they were before they gave Wilson his contract. And Wilson is better than Dak.

 

[kskboys]

oh please. please stop this Dalton did as good as Dak. Dalton beat three teams with 4 wins and their back up QBs and he needed 9 turnovers to do it.....so just stop it with that bullshiet. Dalton got his arse handed to him against WFT, AZ and Ravens teams that are average to good. I mean he got his arse handed to him and got his head almost knocked off.

If anyone thinks Dalton was even close to DAK, they really need to leave sports and take up a different hobby.

 

[G2]

The worst argument for not signing Prescott is that will prevent them from building a defense. What has prevented them for 20 years?

They have not built a defense because they are poor at evaluating D talent.

This assumption that they will take the savings not paying Prescott and apply that to making the team better is totally unfounded. When have they ever done that?

The last real A talent they picked up in FA was Glover and that was Parcells, not these D challenged people. These people paid a #2CB #1 pay and played him out of his natural position.

There is absolutely 0 connection between signing Dak Prescott and building a defense. GB, NO, PHL built contending defenses while paying the QB because they're better at evaluating players and having a plan for building.

Don't talk about hindrances to building the D based on the QB when you have a GM making a splash with a WR in the 1st. The 2nd one in 3 drafts.

There is no argument, it's completely conjecture that not paying Prescott market value will translate to a successful build. What is more probable is that signing Prescott is less of a gamble. Some fans think that finding a quality QB is as easy as posting it will be easy.

 

[Flamma]

Dak is a top 10 QB. he should expect similar pay to other top 10 QBs...why should he take less? when Zeke, Jaylon, Cooper, Lawrence all got paid market value and above. did anyone here ask those guys to take a small discount, lets say 1-2M each and we would have 8M in cap space....

He's not Wilson, Rodgers, Mahomes. Pay Dak similar to them and the Cowboys are at a disadvantage at the coin flip. In order for Dak to overcome the better QBs he's going to need a better team around him. Like Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jim Plunket, or even Jeff Hostetler. Those are quarterbacks that succeeded against better quarterbacks because their team was better around them. With the salary cap that doesn't happen anymore when you pay a good quarterback the same as an elite quarterback. Because both teams are very similar except for the quarterback. If the bar is set to just make the playoffs and crap the bed, then pay Stats Prescott market value. That's exactly what you'll get. No way in hell do the Cowboys win a SB with Dak paid at market value.

 

[Steve007]

It's really this simple. If Dak is taking up roughly the same amount of cap space as Aaron Rodgers, then both the Green Bay Packers and Cowboys have the same amount of money for the rest of the team. Dallas is at a disadvantage because Rodgers is much better than Dak. Dallas needs luck for the Cowboys to overcome that advantage. It's really no more complicated than that. Dak and the Cowboys couldn't even beat them with Dak on a rookie deal. Going to beat them with Dak at 35-40 million? Never going to happen. But at least the Cowboys gave it a good try and made the playoffs. If that's the bar you want to set, fine. Have at it.

Spot on. I don't know why after 4 years on a rookie contract and 5 years in the league people think paying Dak 35 to 40 million the Cowboys can build a Championship team. The Cowboys will be the same as they have been for the last 5 years.

 

[kskboys]

There is no argument, it's completely conjecture that not paying Prescott market value will translate to a successful build. What is more probable is that signing Prescott is less of a gamble. Some fans think that finding a quality QB is as easy as posting it will be easy.

True. However, we do know, due to multiple examples, that paying huge contracts definitely keeps you from getting the players needed to get you over the top.

 

[Flamma]

True. However, we do know, due to multiple examples, that paying huge contracts definitely keeps you from getting the players needed to get you over the top.

It's amazing. Look at the quarterbacks getting to the SB. It's Tom Brady and quarterbacks on rookie deals or a very low cap hit.

 

[G2]

It's really this simple. If Dak is taking up roughly the same amount of cap space as Aaron Rodgers, then both the Green Bay Packers and Cowboys have the same amount of money for the rest of the team. Dallas is at a disadvantage because Rodgers is much better than Dak. Dallas needs luck for the Cowboys to overcome that advantage. It's really no more complicated than that. Dak and the Cowboys couldn't even beat them with Dak on a rookie deal. Going to beat them with Dak at 35-40 million? Never going to happen. But at least the Cowboys gave it a good try and made the playoffs. If that's the bar you want to set, fine. Have at it.

I agree Rodgers is better, but I don't think the margin is as big as some suggest. You have to factor in how well the franchises are at building teams around a QB. Dallas is awful specifically on defense. Green Bay had a very balanced team and has been more consistent.

 

[kskboys]

It's amazing. Look at the quarterbacks getting to the SB. It's Tom Brady and quarterbacks on rookie deals or a very low cap hit.

The guys who get top contracts are not getting there, and are being knocked out of the playoffs every year due to weaknesses, weaknesses that could possibly be filled w/ an extra 5 mil.

 

[kskboys]

I agree Rodgers is better, but I don't think the margin is as big as some suggest. You have to factor in how well the franchises are at building teams around a QB. Dallas is awful specifically on defense. Green Bay had a very balanced team and has been more consistent.

Very true.

The real problem has been very poor drafting in certain areas and a screwball blueprint. And some very very odd draft picks that just never made sense.