Why the Cowboys's season is not over

[Viper]

Good story but they had Laundry,we have Wade.He is a sad sack of crap.

I would just like to point out that, this team has laundry too. A little Cheer or Tide and we should be just fine.

 

[jobberone]

Look, given our poor tackling, miscues on defense, lack of uninspired play, etc., etc., maybe we need to get a bit more physical in our preparation.

No one is saying that the offense and defense should scrimmage each other 4 days a week, but heck, they need to raise the tempo a bit.

I don't know if that's necessary. Generally speaking I would agree. But with the number of injuries right now I think risking a starter with TC contact would be contraindicated.
But some players do need to get more physical and some do need to remember their basics. And some players are not playing like a team. So it's not as if those points aren't valid at all. But with film and limited contact I still think the staff can get after it. They probably should make the day very very long for them.

Let me ask you an honest question.

And I'm really not trying to be a doomsayer and "Mr. Negative".

But do you really believe this team has the HEART of a champion?

I just haven't seen it. I hope it's there. But I really don't see it.

I think that's a great saying. The 1971 Dallas Cowboys. The heart of a champion. I think heart is like love. It's a verb. It's an action word. You play like a champion. You do the things it takes to be a champion.

I do believe there are too many instances of players going off the reservation and doing their thing. Ware as great as he is did not play the run and his containment like he should today at times. Now not knowing the play I might be making a mistake. I'm assuming he does have containment and he's not supposed to be knifing down the line instead of keeping end containment. He's not the only one. While the middle didn't get as trashed there are too many times teams are running up the middle on us. I think that players are trying too hard to make a play all by themselves. Whether for glory or for team I don't know. That or either they are just getting beat too much. And Thomas missed a lot of tackles today saying that without the benefit of game tape.

 

[ilovejerry]

Back in 1970 I sat in my college room watching the Cowboys lose to St Louis (Cardinals then) by a score of 38-0 on Monday Night Football. Dandy Don sang the good night the parties over song and Howard Cosell sat there grumping and predicting doom and gloom for the Cowboys.

Ole Dandy just laughed and slapped him down.

They were 5-4 after that disappointing loss. And they had lost the NFL championship to GB in 66 and 67 then lost the Eastern Division championship to Cleveland the last two years. They were the team that couldn't win the big one. They couldn't get to the SB. They were talented and good but not good enough. And now it looked like they weren't that good or talented.

They had a player's only meeting. They rallied around the leaders of the team. They had five games left to turn their season around. They won their final five games that year to win the Eastern Division championshp. No wild cards those days.

They then had the honor to play Detroit and their very good hard nosed defense for the right to play in the NFL championship game. They were spectacular on defense in a home game. They out defensed a very good Detroit team who threw a game out there that should have been good enough to win 95% of the time. I mean it was a bruiser that wasn't won until the very end of the game. 5-0. Not a baseball score.

Then they went to San Francisco to play a very good 49s team. They came from behind in Staubach fashion to win that game 17-10 and earn the right to play the Colts in the SB.

They really outplayed the Colts but lost the game with a last minute field goal. They still hadn't won the big one. Lilly threw his helmet must have been 50 yards in frustration.

But they had proved they were talented and very good. And they had rebounded from a 38-0 loss going 5-4 to playing in a SB.

I have another story for you but I'm going to wait and throw it out there later in the week.

I understand the frustration and disappointment. But let's try to keep the we suck, he sucks, he needs to be cut and he needs to be fired stuff in our frustrated minds and be fans supporting out team hoping they will turn their season around, too. And we have the talent. Too much is on IR and the sidelines but we're still talented and capable of winning a SB.

Go Cowboys.

I'm a half full kinda guy too...Keep the faith brother keep the faith

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm a half full kinda guy too...Keep the faith brother keep the faith

I'm half fed up

 

[jobberone]

And I thought I was old!

I watched that game as a kid and sat in front of the tv sick to my stomach.

Big difference today is we had Tom Landry as a HC and a young Roger Staubach waiting for hs chance.

You make a good point that it's a long season and a team can turn it around. But the way Jerry has created such a dysfunctional situation with the HC, the OC and his involvement in the football team, makes me believe this team won't turn it around like that old Cowboy team.

You are as old as you feel. Up to a point. :laugh2:

I have more Cowboy stories like that. That's not the only one to do good after sucking it up. Stay tuned.

 

[BourbonBalz]

I wasn't making excuses for them. I told you some reasons why they lost. You're so far off base with most of the stuff you're saying I don't know where to start. Thinking a coaching change in the middle of the year with your star QB hurt, having lost your best 2 CBs, etc is minimalistic reasoning. There are real reasons why things happened today outside the turnovers. There were reasons why the offense never got going esp after they got down too far. It has nothing to do with lack of desire and all the other esoteric things you and others are espousing. It all comes down to doing their jobs and knowing what their jobs are. Some is coaching. Most isn't.

I'm afraid the reasons are not as simple as you're making it and you're going to make it impossible to win with a new coach at this point in time. But if you want to cry for your deliverer go ahead. You ain't Moses and Jimmy Johnson isn't coming back.

I'm not calling for a coaching change in the middle of the season. You're argument holds no water. You keep harping on mistakes and "football" reasons why we lost today. Guess what, it is football and we're not playing it very well. Actually, we suck. The bottom line is this: the coaching staff didn't have the team ready to play and did not put together a good game plan, and the players didn't execute AT ALL. Just what do you blame? The economic outlook? Oil prices? The war in Iraq? You're right about one thing. No one associated with the Dallas Cowboys did their job today, and they haven't been doing it very well for 4 weeks. Just what do you propose to right the ship? I'll be waiting.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

thanx for the history lesson.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I'm half fed up

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Back in 1970 I sat in my college room watching the Cowboys lose to St Louis (Cardinals then) by a score of 38-0 on Monday Night Football. Dandy Don sang the good night the parties over song and Howard Cosell sat there grumping and predicting doom and gloom for the Cowboys.

Ole Dandy just laughed and slapped him down.

They were 5-4 after that disappointing loss. And they had lost the NFL championship to GB in 66 and 67 then lost the Eastern Division championship to Cleveland the last two years. They were the team that couldn't win the big one. They couldn't get to the SB. They were talented and good but not good enough. And now it looked like they weren't that good or talented.

They had a player's only meeting. They rallied around the leaders of the team. They had five games left to turn their season around. They won their final five games that year to win the Eastern Division championshp. No wild cards those days.

They then had the honor to play Detroit and their very good hard nosed defense for the right to play in the NFL championship game. They were spectacular on defense in a home game. They out defensed a very good Detroit team who threw a game out there that should have been good enough to win 95% of the time. I mean it was a bruiser that wasn't won until the very end of the game. 5-0. Not a baseball score.

Then they went to San Francisco to play a very good 49s team. They came from behind in Staubach fashion to win that game 17-10 and earn the right to play the Colts in the SB.

They really outplayed the Colts but lost the game with a last minute field goal. They still hadn't won the big one. Lilly threw his helmet must have been 50 yards in frustration.

But they had proved they were talented and very good. And they had rebounded from a 38-0 loss going 5-4 to playing in a SB.

I have another story for you but I'm going to wait and throw it out there later in the week.

I understand the frustration and disappointment. But let's try to keep the we suck, he sucks, he needs to be cut and he needs to be fired stuff in our frustrated minds and be fans supporting out team hoping they will turn their season around, too. And we have the talent. Too much is on IR and the sidelines but we're still talented and capable of winning a SB.

Go Cowboys.

Good post but this team doesn't have any Mr. Cowboys on the defense to lead them.

 

[jobberone]

I'm not calling for a coaching change in the middle of the season. You're argument holds no water. You keep harping on mistakes and "football" reasons why we lost today. Guess what, it is football and we're not playing it very well. Actually, we suck. The bottom line is this: the coaching staff didn't have the team ready to play and did not put together a good game plan, and the players didn't execute AT ALL. Just what do you blame? The economic outlook? Oil prices? The war in Iraq? You're right about one thing. No one associated with the Dallas Cowboys did their job today, and they haven't been doing it very well for 4 weeks. Just what do you propose to right the ship? I'll be waiting.

Well, I wouldn't start out a debate stating I'm blaming the loss on mistakes (turnovers) and other football reasons while you think we suck, were not ready to play and then say the players didn't execute the game plan or execute on plays. You're talking out both sides of your mouth, admitting I'm right but apparently not taking it far enough because I'm not saying they suck.

If all you can talk about is they suck and didn't come ready to play then I understand what you have to say.

I'll be happy to talk to you about some of the problems I see but since you're so emotional over this while not wanting to talk about the actual mistakes made then why don't you tell us four points on turning this around. If you say we suck then give examples of sucking.

 

[jobberone]

I didn't see the game, but I can probably guess that Garrett still had the O play to a vertical passing attack

if so, Brad just doesn't have the arm to succeed in that, and for some reason our Oline can't give the QB, Romo or Brad, enough time in that situation, and our receivers aren't getting open fast enough

just a guess, but Garrett is so one-dimensional that I think its pretty close

Well you're not far off. I didn't see the first part of the game myself. So I don't know what happened on the first TD march. I was told we ran a good bit but I'm sure we passed some.

I saw the last 3 quarters plus. Johnson did try to go downfield at least and got intercepted and missed them. The biggest problem I thought was those throws towards the sidelines and those almost timing throws in the seams with a vertical route.

On the ones to the sidelines he didn't have the arm tonight. I saw him make those throws during the preseason but he couldn't do it today. At all. And his accuracy wasn't there either. You cannot throw an out in this league with that much arc on the ball. It's gotta go in there on the st8. And be accurate. He just couldn't get it there well and put it in the right spot for just the WR to get it.

On the seams throws he didn't have the timing and again he tried to put too much arc in it. I can't understand why they'd throw that in a game without him demostrating it during practice. Which is saying they must have and felt they were going to be completed. There's your need for contact practice, Woods.

That left us without enough offense for Garrett to work with and certainly not enough for us to come back from being that down. That's a lot of it. The OL still didn't awe me with giving the QB all day to throw either. Romo had that early in the year when we looked like the number one team in the league. If they're going to continue that then Jason will have to change the offense to play within Johnson's abilities and the OLs time for him to throw. We will not be a SB team IMO then.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Well, I wouldn't start out a debate stating I'm blaming the loss on mistakes (turnovers) and other football reasons while you think we suck, were not ready to play and then say the players didn't execute the game plan or execute on plays. You're talking out both sides of your mouth, admitting I'm right but apparently not taking it far enough because I'm not saying they suck.

If all you can talk about is they suck and didn't come ready to play then I understand what you have to say.

I'll be happy to talk to you about some of the problems I see but since you're so emotional over this while not wanting to talk about the actual mistakes made then why don't you tell us four points on turning this around. If you say we suck then give examples of sucking.

O.K., I'll bite.

1) We're very weak emotionally/mentally. When we get smacked in the mouth, we act like a deer in the headlights. We're front runners. When things are going well, we look like world beaters. When we get challenged, especially physically, we back down. I think this is both a coaching and a player issue. Players normally take on the personality of their coaches. That's part of it, but I also think many of our players look for excuses. I hear it every week after a loss or a close win.

2) Our defensive scheme is not working. We play way too far off receivers and give up too many short routes. Yes, we have injuries/suspensions, but it was happening before as well. The problem is, if we play close to the line, we will also get beat deep. Why can't our DBs cover? I don't know. Maybe they're just not as good as we were lead to belive.

3) Ware is apparently the only pass rusher we have. Ellis is getting older and Spencer can't stay healthy. We need to blitz more. I know it will expose our DBs even more, but we've got to try something. As it is now, we just let teams pick us apart.

4) Something is terribly wrong with our O line. I can't believe losing Kosier to this point has caused this many problems. We're getting beaten badly to the outside. Has Flozell lost it all in just one year? Don't know, but the line has got to get their crap together.

5) Stupid team that refuses to correct mistakes. Penalties, penalties, penalties. No more needs to be said here, except for the fact that this falls primarily on the coaching staff.

6) It seems that every team we play has figured out our offensive game plan. We're far too simplistic. We cannot design or execute plays to get T.O. the ball. I know a part of the problem is that we don't (or didn't before the Roy Williams trade) have other receivers that make defenses pay for doubling up Owens. Why can every other team in the league design a game plan to get their best player the ball, but we can't? Why did we never run a screen play when Felix was healthy? We didn't we ever get him involved in the passing game? The botton line is our offense has grown stagnant and we're not putting in anything new to keep defenses guessing. We have too many weapons not to be effective.

7) No leadership on or off the field. Obvious. If u don't see it, I can't help you.

8) Similar to # 1, this team has little heart. Too many players that "seem" happy cashing their checks. They don't respond to adversity. You'd think after the past 3 weeks that we would come ready to play. We weren't. We have too many players that have read their press clippings. We look good on paper, but we can't or won't back it up on the field.

9) Injuries are obviously an issue, but can never be an excuse. There are 53 players that get paid. You can't tell me that with the talent we supposedly have, we should get absolutely embarrassed by a terrible team that has been destroyed several times this year. They only beat the Skins because the Skins played like us last week.

10) What was considered a strength, our run defense, is now faultering. That simply goes back to backing down when challenged physically and poor execution. The Rams have a poor O line and they kicked our *****. We should be embarrassed. All the things I've discussed are "football issues". Anything that happens on the field is a "football" issue. Turnovers, penalties, blown assignments, lack of execution, lack of heart, etc. are all "football" issues. The bottom line right now: we suck and have no heart. Like I said earlier.

 

[BourbonBalz]

By the way, a lack of execution and numerous mistakes are the result of not being ready or prepared to play. This is not rocket science. If you're properly prepared, you don't turn the ball over, blow numerous assignments, get beat at the point of attack, etc. I dont' understand your argument. It's like you're blaming some kind of cosmic disturbance for our play. It's simple. We were out coached, out played, out executed, our hustled, etc. Anyway you want to slant it, we got beat badly by a terribly inferior team. There are no excuses, only facts.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

From a logistics standpoint, the season is far from over; the Cowboys are 4-3 with nine games remaining--a position of which many teams are envious.

However, unless this teams finds desire, leadership, discipline, and means of enforcing accountability very soon, it's headed for a 7-9 finish.

 

[BourbonBalz]

The way we're playing right now, I'm having a hard time finding the three games we'll win.

 

[jobberone]

O.K., I'll bite.

1) We're very weak emotionally/mentally. When we get smacked in the mouth, we act like a deer in the headlights. We're front runners. When things are going well, we look like world beaters. When we get challenged, especially physically, we back down. I think this is both a coaching and a player issue. Players normally take on the personality of their coaches. That's part of it, but I also think many of our players look for excuses. I hear it every week after a loss or a close win.

No football here. Just opinions which you're entitled to. I hear not physical enough which is a reflection of coaching. I hear people start to look like their dogs, too.

2) Our defensive scheme is not working. We play way too far off receivers and give up too many short routes. Yes, we have injuries/suspensions, but it was happening before as well. The problem is, if we play close to the line, we will also get beat deep. Why can't our DBs cover? I don't know. Maybe they're just not as good as we were lead to belive.

Ok, some football. I agree there are times they should be thinking about playing more aggressively in coverage. However today is a great example of why they don't want to risk it yet. Our two rookies are still being schooled. They can't be coached up by anyone without also getting on the field and getting played up, too.

And you're right. You don't know. That's why you have to resort to we suck, we need a new coach, they aren't playing hard etc. Thank goodness you aren't a coach because when they ask for help all you could do is say play harder and put your head between your legs and kiss your *** goodbye because you're not good enough. What happened to them getting coached up?

3) Ware is apparently the only pass rusher we have. Ellis is getting older and Spencer can't stay healthy. We need to blitz more. I know it will expose our DBs even more, but we've got to try something. As it is now, we just let teams pick us apart.

Wrong again. Ware is the best pass rusher. Spears, Canty, Ellis and even the LBs got in there today. Most of the time it was too late. And despite having players about to bust him up Bulger stood his ground and completed one after the other before getting slammed.

Maybe we could blitz more. But since you think they can't play, have no heart, and aren't coached well then I'd say you'd better get as much pressure up front as you can with the front four or five and put as many people in coverage as you can then pray for divine intervention since they suck anyway.

4) Something is terribly wrong with our O line. I can't believe losing Kosier to this point has caused this many problems. We're getting beaten badly to the outside. Has Flozell lost it all in just one year? Don't know, but the line has got to get their crap together.

Ok we agree some. Losing Kosier has had a little ripple effect. And they could be playing a little better no matter what. But how about the fact teams have figured out how to take away Romo's first two reads while putting those fast, sneaky little tweeners on the corners spread wide to outside rush our two big OTs esp Flo. And contain Romo as well. Now Jason has to come up with ways to get TO and Witten loose while not running the same routes week in and out. And RWR will help with that a whole lot. And Miles Austin is starting to show he can be at least a number two in this league as well as being able to put three WRs on the field together.

5) Stupid team that refuses to correct mistakes. Penalties, penalties, penalties. No more needs to be said here, except for the fact that this falls primarily on the coaching staff.

Well I agree with you about the penalties. But unless you think they're stupid and can't learn then I guess you can then blame the coaches for drafting or obtaining them, coaching them up then standing there and see them make the same mistakes over and over. It's a lack of discipline but it's on the players. They are the ones responsible for their behavior. And the same ones made the same mistakes when Parcells was here. I do think the coaching staff should fine them enough to really hurt. I also think the players ought to have a kangeroo court and shame them and fine them. You can't blame the coaches for things the players do except as above.


6) It seems that every team we play has figured out our offensive game plan. We're far too simplistic. We cannot design or execute plays to get T.O. the ball. I know a part of the problem is that we don't (or didn't before the Roy Williams trade) have other receivers that make defenses pay for doubling up Owens. Why can every other team in the league design a game plan to get their best player the ball, but we can't? Why did we never run a screen play when Felix was healthy? We didn't we ever get him involved in the passing game? The botton line is our offense has grown stagnant and we're not putting in anything new to keep defenses guessing. We have too many weapons not to be effective.

I agree they need to be more unpredictable and more inventive and that is on Jason. You've got some credibility here.

7) No leadership on or off the field. Obvious. If u don't see it, I can't help you.

No one can help you. You can help yourself by stopping with the simplistic and unrealistic complaints and suggestions. They do need some in house player leadership. Witten and Romo should be doing it. And MB. TO can yell but I don't think he can lead. A whisper is usually more deadly and listened to well over screaming which is always partially tuned out. I don't need your help either.

8) Similar to # 1, this team has little heart. Too many players that "seem" happy cashing their checks. They don't respond to adversity. You'd think after the past 3 weeks that we would come ready to play. We weren't. We have too many players that have read their press clippings. We look good on paper, but we can't or won't back it up on the field.

This is so objective and totally without any substance. You're asking me to prove their intent and character and asking me to prove their innocence of their thoughts. This is also called mind reading one of the deadliest cognitive distortions we humans use.

9) Injuries are obviously an issue, but can never be an excuse. There are 53 players that get paid. You can't tell me that with the talent we supposedly have, we should get absolutely embarrassed by a terrible team that has been destroyed several times this year. They only beat the Skins because the Skins played like us last week.

Time is short so the answer short. It's not one thing. Saying injuries to starting QB and CBs is factual. And saying their replacements weren't adequate is factual. And no one but you is saying we using them as an excuse. Not an excuse but a reason for failure. Sir your tire failed because it got a nail, got low on air and then blew from the heat. Not an excuse but a reason. And the Rams aren't terrible. They've been playing short as well. Imagine Bulger coming back and them winning esp when their number 2 and 3 WRs are back now too.

10) What was considered a strength, our run defense, is now faultering. That simply goes back to backing down when challenged physically and poor execution. The Rams have a poor O line and they kicked our *****. We should be embarrassed. All the things I've discussed are "football issues". Anything that happens on the field is a "football" issue. Turnovers, penalties, blown assignments, lack of execution, lack of heart, etc. are all "football" issues. The bottom line right now: we suck and have no heart. Like I said earlier.

Well it's not because they're backing down and not getting physical. That's your explanation you would not dare say face to face to them. It's not true anyway. I'm tired but they aren't staying at home at times and have admitted not playing their assignment and trying to make a play. Do they get beat. Of course. You rarely line up across from a completely inept player who you beat like a drum all day. They have jobs too. Way too many of you start with your simplistic, minimalistic and emotional reasoning and believe it. Not unusual at all either. It's just wrong. Every play there is a reason why the other sides play worked. It's not often it's because we didn't man up.

 

[juck]

O.K., I'll bite.

1) We're very weak emotionally/mentally. When we get smacked in the mouth, we act like a deer in the headlights. We're front runners. When things are going well, we look like world beaters. When we get challenged, especially physically, we back down. I think this is both a coaching and a player issue. Players normally take on the personality of their coaches. That's part of it, but I also think many of our players look for excuses. I hear it every week after a loss or a close win.

2) Our defensive scheme is not working. We play way too far off receivers and give up too many short routes. Yes, we have injuries/suspensions, but it was happening before as well. The problem is, if we play close to the line, we will also get beat deep. Why can't our DBs cover? I don't know. Maybe they're just not as good as we were lead to belive.

3) Ware is apparently the only pass rusher we have. Ellis is getting older and Spencer can't stay healthy. We need to blitz more. I know it will expose our DBs even more, but we've got to try something. As it is now, we just let teams pick us apart.

4) Something is terribly wrong with our O line. I can't believe losing Kosier to this point has caused this many problems. We're getting beaten badly to the outside. Has Flozell lost it all in just one year? Don't know, but the line has got to get their crap together.

5) Stupid team that refuses to correct mistakes. Penalties, penalties, penalties. No more needs to be said here, except for the fact that this falls primarily on the coaching staff.

6) It seems that every team we play has figured out our offensive game plan. We're far too simplistic. We cannot design or execute plays to get T.O. the ball. I know a part of the problem is that we don't (or didn't before the Roy Williams trade) have other receivers that make defenses pay for doubling up Owens. Why can every other team in the league design a game plan to get their best player the ball, but we can't? Why did we never run a screen play when Felix was healthy? We didn't we ever get him involved in the passing game? The botton line is our offense has grown stagnant and we're not putting in anything new to keep defenses guessing. We have too many weapons not to be effective.

7) No leadership on or off the field. Obvious. If u don't see it, I can't help you.

8) Similar to # 1, this team has little heart. Too many players that "seem" happy cashing their checks. They don't respond to adversity. You'd think after the past 3 weeks that we would come ready to play. We weren't. We have too many players that have read their press clippings. We look good on paper, but we can't or won't back it up on the field.

9) Injuries are obviously an issue, but can never be an excuse. There are 53 players that get paid. You can't tell me that with the talent we supposedly have, we should get absolutely embarrassed by a terrible team that has been destroyed several times this year. They only beat the Skins because the Skins played like us last week.

10) What was considered a strength, our run defense, is now faultering. That simply goes back to backing down when challenged physically and poor execution. The Rams have a poor O line and they kicked our *****. We should be embarrassed. All the things I've discussed are "football issues". Anything that happens on the field is a "football" issue. Turnovers, penalties, blown assignments, lack of execution, lack of heart, etc. are all "football" issues. The bottom line right now: we suck and have no heart. Like I said earlier.

1.Wade
2.Wade
3.Ware and Rat.
4.Kosier is that important to cohesiveness,yes.Flo is sucking and having to also pick up slack from Suckter.
5.wade
6.garrett is sucking this year.I want the west coast,romo is perfect for it.so is TO.
7.wade
8.wade is the leader of this.
9.why do people think we have so much talent?especially on D.we dont,lets face it.
10.No true 3-4 ever has lil noseguards like us.Gotta fill that hole,we dont.RW38 missing also hurts us there.

 

[newlander]

I love your passion jobberone but that won't happen because this team has no leaders and most of all WADE is head coach. The team you watched in 1970 was LED by Tom Landry and a host of hall of famers.....this bunch? not so much.........I see 7-9 right now.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Well it's not because they're backing down and not getting physical. That's your explanation you would not dare say face to face to them. It's not true anyway. I'm tired but they aren't staying at home at times and have admitted not playing their assignment and trying to make a play. Do they get beat. Of course. You rarely line up across from a completely inept player who you beat like a drum all day. They have jobs too. Way too many of you start with your simplistic, minimalistic and emotional reasoning and believe it. Not unusual at all either. It's just wrong. Every play there is a reason why the other sides play worked. It's not often it's because we didn't man up.

How about this? You stick your self-aggrandizing bull**** up your piehole???? Smart guy.

 

[BourbonBalz]

You're so full of crap it's starting to stink in here. Of course there's a reason every play either works or fails. Boy, you really got me there. But it has nothing to do with how the stars are aligned. It has to do with coaching, play calling, execution, playing hard, playing smart, etc. Good teams do these things well. Bad teams....well, you know where I'm going. What I'm saying is we have far too much talent to put this product on the field. The old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" sure doesn't apply here. It's definitelly broke, at least for now. Sorry about the previous post. You're just aggravating the crap out of me the way you want to continue to go around and around in circles.