Why we are trying to be like NE

[mattjames2010]

The Patriots might be one of most overrated lauded drafting teams in the league.

They've built their current team through FA. Outside of Edelman, who was the last great WR they drafted? How about running back? While Brady was only sacked 20 or so times last year, this team used to have a great offensive line with some highly talented offensive lineman, they really haven't "hit" on a big time offensive lineman in years.

This team wins because they have a HC that has a great defensive mind and a legendary QB; along with playing in a turd of a conference while in an embarrassing division.

 

[mattjames2010]

We aren't adopting anything from the Patriots. We've hit on 3 offensive lineman in the past 3 years, drafted a great running back, a top 3 WR, and one of the best LBs in the league when healthy. This was all since 2010

We actually seemed to fail trying to mimic the Patriots offensive scheme and only when we broke away and went run first did we find success. So, I don't know where we are trying to be like the Patriots. The Patriots screw up so badly with their drafting they are forced to fix it through FA.

If anything, we are more similar to Green Bay and Pittsburgh with building through the draft.

 

[RS12]

Why we are trying to be like NE

You mean winning the SB? You play to win the game.

 

[Rogah]

NE is a very good team, but they should not have won the SB last year. They got a huge break against SEA and should've never got past BAL except for a few shady plays. They won so you can't take it from them, but they aren't the same team from the early aughts.

You say "they won so you can't take that away from them" but then you go about trying to do exactly what you claim cannot be done. You say if you take away a play or two then they aren't this year's champions. Well sure, ok. And if you take away a play or two then they would have won SB 42. Take away a play or two and they win SB 46. (I also find it ironic how people focus on the huge break the Patriots got with the interception, but ignore the huge break the Seahawks got on the 35 yard gain where the receiver caught the ball laying on his back)

The Patriots are successful for a couple reason. First and foremost is they have a great coach and a great QB. But beyond that, they have a cap management philosophy whereby they would much rather get rid of a guy a year or 2 too early instead of a year or 2 too late. There are countless examples of them letting a guy go and the general NFL fan response was "are they crazy???! How can they let so-and-so go?!?!" Lawyer Milloy, Richard Seymour, Ty Law, Logan Mankins, Asante Samuel, Deion Branch, Willie McGinest, Adam Vinatieri and now Darelle Revis.

The Cowboys were wise when they let Murray go instead of overpaying to keep him. That was very Patriots-like.

 

[Nightman]

You say "they won so you can't take that away from them" but then you go about trying to do exactly what you claim cannot be done. You say if you take away a play or two then they aren't this year's champions. Well sure, ok. And if you take away a play or two then they would have won SB 42. Take away a play or two and they win SB 46. (I also find it ironic how people focus on the huge break the Patriots got with the interception, but ignore the huge break the Seahawks got on the 35 yard gain where the receiver caught the ball laying on his back)

The Patriots are successful for a couple reason. First and foremost is they have a great coach and a great QB. But beyond that, they have a cap management philosophy whereby they would much rather get rid of a guy a year or 2 too early instead of a year or 2 too late. There are countless examples of them letting a guy go and the general NFL fan response was "are they crazy???! How can they let so-and-so go?!?!" Lawyer Milloy, Richard Seymour, Ty Law, Logan Mankins, Asante Samuel, Deion Branch, Willie McGinest, Adam Vinatieri and now Darelle Revis.

The Cowboys were wise when they let Murray go instead of overpaying to keep him. That was very Patriots-like.

I knew the biggest NE fan would show up.

They got lucky and everyone knows it. At least 90 times out of 100 SEA wins that game having 2nd and goal from the one.

The Pats won, but that doesn't mean they were the best team all year. They got demolished by KC early and a lot of experts were writing them off.

You get to keep the trophy, but that was not a "Dynasty" team.

 

[Rogah]

That or it's just REALLY hard to win a Superbowl in general.

32 teams. League enforced parity via draft ordering, free agency, salary cap, etc.

Every team starts with a %3.1 of winning the Superbowl each season.

I hate the Patriots with a passion but the fact that they've made it to 6 Superbowls and won 4 of them in a 14-15 year period given everything I mentioned is beyond amazing and I tip my hat to them.

Only team that comes to mind as having a better run are the 1960s Packers who won 5 Championships/Superbowls in 7 years.

+1. Not only is it hard to win a Super Bowl, but it's hard to repeat and maintain a record of excellence. The league is designed to punish successful teams and reward the poor teams. It's called parity. I believe this will be the 12th consecutive draft where they started outside the top-20. In 5 of those 12 years, they started outside the top-30. By contrast, over the same period of time, the Cleveland Browns have had 8 picks in the top-10.

(Please note I am not saying it has been 12 years since they have had a top-20 draft pick. They have traded up on a couple occasions. I just mean it has been that long since they started a draft in the top-20 based on the previous year's record)

 

[Rogah]

I knew the biggest NE fan would show up.

They got lucky and everyone knows it. At least 90 times out of 100 SEA wins that game having 2nd and goal from the one.

And the Giants got lucky in SB 42 and then they got lucky again in SB 46. And the Seahawks got lucky in SB 49 on that long pass play. Do you want to talk about luck and what could have happened or do you want to talk about what actually did happen?

If I could make a minor change to a play or two per season, then I could give the Patriots 0 Super Bowl CHampionships or I could give them 7 (yes I said 7). So how 'bout we just look at facts instead of hypotheticals?

The Pats won, but that doesn't mean they were the best team all year. They got demolished by KC early and a lot of experts were writing them off.

Well that only proves how stupid the so-called "experts" are.

You get to keep the trophy, but that was not a "Dynasty" team.

4 Super Bowl Championships and 6 conference championships in the past 14 years. If that ain't a dynasty then there's no such thing.

 

[Rogah]

Only?

Obviously, you are not troubled by intellectual dishonesty.

Heh heh. Ya gotta admit, it's hilarious the way he writes "the Pats only have ONE SB win in about 10 years" as if that's something to be ridiculed and derided.

Winning "only" 1 Super Bowl over the past 10 years is still more than 24 other NFL teams over the same period and a tie with 5 others. In other words, there are "only" 2 teams that have actually done better.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I knew the biggest NE fan would show up.

They got lucky and everyone knows it. At least 90 times out of 100 SEA wins that game having 2nd and goal from the one.

The Pats won, but that doesn't mean they were the best team all year. They got demolished by KC early and a lot of experts were writing them off.

You get to keep the trophy, but that was not a "Dynasty" team.

he always does..anytime it's the Pats he's there.

 

[Nightman]

And the Giants got lucky in SB 42 and then they got lucky again in SB 46. And the Seahawks got lucky in SB 49 on that long pass play. Do you want to talk about luck and what could have happened or do you want to talk about what actually did happen?

If I could make a minor change to a play or two per season, then I could give the Patriots 0 Super Bowl CHampionships or I could give them 7 (yes I said 7). So how 'bout we just look at facts instead of hypotheticals?
Well that only proves how stupid the so-called "experts" are.
4 Super Bowl Championships and 6 conference championships in the past 14 years. If that ain't a dynasty then there's no such thing.

1 Super Bowl win in 10 years, yawn

 

[5Stars]

In a year or so, maybe a few...the Patriots are going to wish they would have done what the Cowboys are doing now.

 

[mattjames2010]

In a year or so, maybe a few...the Patriots are going to wish they would have done what the Cowboys are doing now.

Exactly. Talk about a team dwindling in talent.

 

[DavidS]

What a stupid thread

 

[tyke1doe]

Uh, six Super Bowl appearances in 14 years, four Super Bowl wins, nine AFC Championship appearanced?

Why wouldn't we want to be like the Patriots?

 

[tyke1doe]

Exactly. Talk about a team dwindling in talent.

But at least they will have four rings as a lasting testament.

 

[tyke1doe]

It's not dishonest at all

They have 1 Super Bowl title in the last 10 years

The NYG and the Steelers have 2

SEA has been to 3 winning one

NE is a very good team, but they should not have won the SB last year. They got a huge break against SEA and should've never got past BAL except for a few shady plays. They won so you can't take it from them, but they aren't the same team from the early aughts.

But they won. Coulda, woulda, shouldas are for people who hate reality. And so what of they've won one Super Bowl in 10 years. That's one more than the Cowboys.

 

[Blackspider214]

Yeah but you don't play weak divisions in January...

No but it makes it much easier when you are guaranteed at least one home game every single year in the playoffs. The last time NE did not win the division was only because Brady was hurt the entire year. And they still won 10 games and finished just one back of Miami. The AFC East is garbage and has been for a long time now. The QB play is atrocious.

 

[Nightman]

But they won. Coulda, woulda, shouldas are for people who hate reality. And so what of they've won one Super Bowl in 10 years. That's one more than the Cowboys.

People who can't admit that luck exists in sports are just being thick

Hope you feel better insulting the Cowboys to try and prove how dominant your Patriots are

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

What is the purpose of this thread?

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The purpose of the thread is to instigate, denigrate, offoscufate and to hyperinflate. Did I tell you to be belicose? Did I tell you to be hyper-feely? Did I tell to darken the portal of Cowboy fans?
I feel like litigating like the Chiffons against that sallow Beatle George Harbison!
There is no purpose for this thread Rwalters you are being a pain in the rump,the pomp and the bomba-bom.
Rwalters you half earned mein vigilante eye (the good one) and needless to say you are on mein list. If you a troll you will be excised from here by morning with the speed of Vin Diesel asepting ANY acting award he will never git.
Speaking of git, git from this forum. I am retching from the thread!

 

[Rogah]

People who can't admit that luck exists in sports are just being thick

Hope you feel better insulting the Cowboys to try and prove how dominant your Patriots are

There we are. Anyone who respects the Patriots and what they've done and wants to be like them is really a Patriots fan.

I'd post my Cowboys season ticket invoice which I just got (electronically) but you're not worth the effort.