Will Julius Jones be traded? Espn....

[eduncan22]

Why would we want to trade one of our best players for a draft pick?

 

[4lifecowboy]

I personally don't want Julius "gone". I want Julius "better" and "more effective", and I take issue with those who blame his inability to be anything more than average thus far on things like "how he was used" and "Parcells Ruination Syndrome."

I take issue with those who refuse to acknowledge that he was above average his first two seasons, and that Parcells himself was praising him for his improvement this pass season. And for the record I don't think JJ was the only player that was being misused, contrary to they're strengths. Should I make a list of players that feel that Parcells' philosophy held the team back? All of you JJ haters are calling him average based on last year performance, factor in his entire NFL career.

 

[BigDFan5]

Does anyone have the stat where most of the 3rd and long carries went to?
that is usually a juicy oppurtunity for a back to get a big gainer. Since MB3 was the third down back, one can assume he got them. Next would be to see how much of his yardage was gotten on third and long. Then look at first downs and see when and where each back got carries there. Probably the best comparison and most fair. First and 10 is usually a running down unless you are behind in the second half. It was mentioned that JJ and MB3 got about the same number of 20 yd+ carries. BUT the question is which back got more oppurtunities at the coveted 3rd and long, or 2nd and long. that is gravy to RBs.

Julius only had 3 carries on 3rd down all year, so I would say MB3 probably got the rest lol

 

[Cochese]

I take issue with those who refuse to acknowledge that he was above average his first two seasons, and that Parcells himself was praising him for his improvement this pass season. And for the record I don't think JJ was the only player that was being misused, contrary to they're strengths. Should I make a list of players that feel that Parcells' philosophy held the team back? All of you JJ haters are calling him average based on last year performance, factor in his entire NFL career.

His second season is the definition of average.

 

[superpunk]

I take issue with those who refuse to acknowledge that he was above average his first two seasons, and that Parcells himself was praising him for his improvement this pass season. And for the record I don't think JJ was the only player that was being misused, contrary to they're strengths. Should I make a list of players that feel that Parcells' philosophy held the team back? All of you JJ haters are calling him average based on last year performance, factor in his entire NFL career.

He's been above average for a few games.

That hardly makes two years. He started this year out well, and faded. He is an average back who can break out every once in a while (and thus far, mostly against DREADFUL defenses). That is not hate, or a knock, or whatever you want to classify it as. Julius just is what he is so far - an average back. Can he get better? Sure. I'm not hedging my bets that after 3 years in the league that light is suddenly going to come on, though.

I apologize for beating a dead horse, but Steven Jackson would look a heck of a lot better in blue than Julius and Spears put together.

 

[OldButDeadly]

I apologize for beating a dead horse, but Steven Jackson would look a heck of a lot better in blue than Julius and Spears put together.

Superpunk...I think you are a....well...a punk most of the time....however....

Man you are preaching up there.....

I will never forget how sick I was when Steven fell into our laps....and we traded down....

:ralph:

Kevin

 

[bbgun]

I personally don't want Julius "gone". I want Julius "better" and "more effective", and I take issue with those who blame his inability to be anything more than average thus far on things like "how he was used" and "Parcells Ruination Syndrome."

The Seattle game might have been the worst thing that happened to him. Expectations went through the roof. Three years later, we're still asking "Where is that guy?"

 

[dbair1967]

His second season is the definition of average.

his 2nd season was also the definition of playing with a high ankle prain almost all yr

David

 

[Rack]

I take issue with those who refuse to acknowledge that he was above average his first two seasons, and that Parcells himself was praising him for his improvement this pass season. And for the record I don't think JJ was the only player that was being misused, contrary to they're strengths. Should I make a list of players that feel that Parcells' philosophy held the team back? All of you JJ haters are calling him average based on last year performance, factor in his entire NFL career.

So if we don't think JuJo is/was a "Great" RB then that means we "Hate" him?


Riiiiight. Grow up.

Superpunk...I think you are a....well...a punk most of the time....however....

Man you are preaching up there.....

I will never forget how sick I was when Steven fell into our laps....and we traded down....

:ralph:

Kevin

 

[Redball Express]

The Bills are going to have to give up more than they got for McGahee if they want him.(not less) Jones is coming off a more productive year even though he had to share the carries with Barber. Jones also doesn't have any baggage like McGahee. The Bills were basically forced to get rid of him lowering his value, Dallas is not in that situation. If the Bills want him they better offer something pretty enticing.


Julius Jones
267 1084 4.1 77L 4TD 5(20+) 43(FD)

Willis McGahee
259 990 3.8 57L 6TD 4(20+) 48(FD)

..they will offer something better.



Remember, JuJo was shopped prior to last year's draft and he hadn't played all 16 games and he'd certainly shows better this year than last as a tradable player.

I think you guys are way way off here.

I definitely think JuJo is trade bait again and the fact that ESPN is beginning to repeatedly say this means where there is smoke there is fire.

I personally think that while it's easy to sit and say we are set at RB and would accept a repeat of last year isn't being smart.



If you guys will recall, in the last 4-5 games, MBIII wasn't nearly as effective because opposing DCs figured out the base set of plays he was in for and defensed them.

He was reduced greatly once teams got enough film on him.

So then that means what we really may have going into next year is TWO RBs that are not combined a complete RB, yet.

That's not the primary way to do it.

The best way is to have a RB who is the starter and is in there 1st-3rd downs and by pulling him, we don't tip what play is being called.

Which is what basically happened with MBIII off the bench.

So I would definitely see Dallas trading JuJo to a team for a decent 3rd and maybe a 4th or something like that which equals a #2 pick and then pacakging those picks to combine with picks we have to move up and take a RB.

:

A top RB.

A complete RB.

A Reggie Bush-type if possible.

I can see it. Absolutely.

While it's interesting to lull yourself into thinking we are set at RB and the glass is half-full or all-full..I think in terms of it being half-empty.

This BP concept of playing key positions By-Committee is a miserable failure across the board.

I think Dallas cleans house over the next two years and revamps the RBs, too.

Starting this Spring.

We'll see.

:starspin

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[theebs]

espn has repeatedly said this? According to who?

I heard michael smith, say that maybe dallas would deal a running back because they have two.

This thread started because of michael smith pulling stuff out of thin air? Gimme a break. He never said jones either, he just said maybe dallas would trade a back.

It doensnt make any sense, he was shrugging his shoulders when he said this.

And again the only reason jones was almost traded last year was to acquire laurence maroney, once he was drafted there was no need to trade him.

and anyone who would trade him for a third is nuts. You picked him in the second, he is still on his original contract why in the world would you take a low value like that for him.

Why does he have to go? If we come across a player who can step right in and be a good back then you can maybe find a suitor for him, otherwise it is short sighted to think we dont need both backs.

 

[dalboy]

espn has repeatedly said this? According to who?

I heard michael smith, say that maybe dallas would deal a running back because they have two.

This thread started because of michael smith pulling stuff out of thin air? Gimme a break. He never said jones either, he just said maybe dallas would trade a back.

It doensnt make any sense, he was shrugging his shoulders when he said this.

And again the only reason jones was almost traded last year was to acquire laurence maroney, once he was drafted there was no need to trade him.

and anyone who would trade him for a third is nuts. You picked him in the second, he is still on his original contract why in the world would you take a low value like that for him.

Why does he have to go? If we come across a player who can step right in and be a good back then you can maybe find a suitor for him, otherwise it is short sighted to think we dont need both backs.

Thank you we all knew he isn;t going to be the next Smith so can all you haters give him a chance.

 

[WhizKid]

Thank you we all knew he isn;t going to be the next Smith so can all you haters give him a chance.

agreed...even though I hate jones... ...:look at sig:

 

[Fletch]

just speculating he could. Michael Smith was giving an NFL report on sportcenter just now and said he could be shipped to Buffalo for a draft pick. One of the picks that they got for McGahee supposedly. I don't know.....we've all been disappointed with JJ to some extent, but he's always shown flashes and the O.Line has been pretty poor too.....my gut says to keep him one more year and he could bust out. Problem of course is he's a Unrestricted FA after this season. Tough call.

Julius better have a monster season or he will be playing for someone else in 08'.

I kind of see this happening, and the Cowboys drafting a stud RB while keeping Marion Barber III.

Anyone else agree?

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I actually see that happening in the next few months. I think that JuJo would be better off on a team that runs alot of West Coast or cutback style running games. A team like Denver, Atlanta, Buffalo or Houston would probably be willing to trade for him and I wouldnt scoff if we got rid of him for a 3rd rounder. Of course, it would suck to see him play well there but MB3 and his replacement (whoever) could probably see the same results that we had last year IMO.

Now, this doesnt mean i hate Julius, he just hasnt lived up to expectations as a high second round pick. He was also from a established college in a pro system, which means he should have come in and done what Stephen Jackson has done in St. Louis.

Drafting a guy like Booker or Kolby Smith in the 4th would be me a happy camper. Also, we still have Tyson Thompson and Kincade back there.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

espn has repeatedly said this? According to who?

I heard michael smith, say that maybe dallas would deal a running back because they have two.

This thread started because of michael smith pulling stuff out of thin air? Gimme a break. He never said jones either, he just said maybe dallas would trade a back.

It doensnt make any sense, he was shrugging his shoulders when he said this.

And again the only reason jones was almost traded last year was to acquire laurence maroney, once he was drafted there was no need to trade him.

and anyone who would trade him for a third is nuts. You picked him in the second, he is still on his original contract why in the world would you take a low value like that for him.

Why does he have to go? If we come across a player who can step right in and be a good back then you can maybe find a suitor for him, otherwise it is short sighted to think we dont need both backs.

greatness, those people who propose radical changes make me laugh

 

[bbwlover]

With a 16 game schedule, I could rush for 1300 yards. BP blew it when he passed on the kid from the Rams. He should have been our feature back for the next 5 or 6 years. I hope the rumors are true that the Cowboys will trade up for AP. His size and speed are rare. He had the broken collar bone but other than that he has been very durable and AP is a difference maker.

 

[dwmyers]

I think people expect more out of our starting RB. Barber comes in to the games in the second half and the offense seems to get a spark, we need that from Jones. He is suppose to be the break away RB yet he has 5 runs over 20 yards while Barber has 4 with half the carries. This has nothing to do with hate it has to do with production.

No back running as a starter for Bill Parcells has had a better YPC, unless his name was Joe Morris (or Julius Jones). His productivity was a full standard deviation better than the typical Parcells back.

http://home.comcast.net/~dwm042/rbtable.htm

:bang2:

David.

 

[theebs]

No back running as a starter for Bill Parcells has had a better YPC, unless his name was Joe Morris (or Julius Jones). His productivity was a full standard deviation better than the typical Parcells back.

http://home.comcast.net/~dwm042/rbtable.htm

:bang2:

David.

good work man. Really nice.

I cant get over how many carries joe morris had in 86. Amazing.

Side note, morris was a good guy too. I had a kid in my school who I knew who broke his leg and morris was his favorite player, just so happened that morris was in town for a card show and he came to the hospital to see him when he got word that his biggest fan was hit by a car and broke his leg

 

[Redball Express]

espn has repeatedly said this? According to who?

I heard michael smith, say that maybe dallas would deal a running back because they have two.

This thread started because of michael smith pulling stuff out of thin air? Gimme a break. He never said jones either, he just said maybe dallas would trade a back.

It doensnt make any sense, he was shrugging his shoulders when he said this.

And again the only reason jones was almost traded last year was to acquire laurence maroney, once he was drafted there was no need to trade him.

and anyone who would trade him for a third is nuts. You picked him in the second, he is still on his original contract why in the world would you take a low value like that for him.

Why does he have to go? If we come across a player who can step right in and be a good back then you can maybe find a suitor for him, otherwise it is short sighted to think we dont need both backs.

Yikes..guess I better clear this up before somebody gets offended.



It wasn't repeatedly said on ESPN..

It has been repeatedly stated on NFL Network. It's been stated several times there over the time they were doing their Combine Coverage in little blurbs and mentioned a couple of times I remember in that little ticker they run on the bottom of the screen.

So I stand corrected.

And I've only heard it on ESPN like twice this past couple of weeks.

Well, maybe that is repeatedly on ESPN..

..you be the judge.



And while it seems to be a factoid that Dallas was trying to cut bait with JuJo last year, exactly for whom and from what teams, I'm not clear. I don't think that's been verified.

But I believe it.

The thing is, everybody wants healthy RBs and would like to pound the defense with them. But it's pretty hard to do that with a RB that's going to get like 20 or less carries a game.

Which is what JuJo gets when MBIII has to share the snaps with him.

So I think while it may in theory be plausible that giving so many carries to MBIII helps JuJo, I clearly didn't see that for the last 2 seasons.

JuJo can't be counted on to be the feature RB. MBIII actually became the featured RB and it appears, according to 'sources', he's not big enough to take the pounding.

Actually, I think that's all propaganda.

If anybody can't take the pounding, it's clearly JuJo. Not MBIII.

JuJo has continually missed half a season here, half a season there, etc.



I think MBIII can be the featured back, can get 25+ carries a game and last the season and get the same yardage as JuJo got PLUS his TD total.



I think the issue with continuing to keep JuJo in as the starter was to smooth out the notion that BP BLEW ANOTHER TOP DRAFT PICK in taking JuJo 3 years ago instead of taking a top RB.

JMO.

I think like alot of things BP did, it was based on stubborness and adhering to a philosophy that whther it really worked or not, staying with his decision continued to leave the impression that he knows what he's doing instead of what is best for the team.

IMO, the entire last season was devoted to building BP's legacy and I think the whole organization from the owner to the coaches to the players got tired of that whole tired refrain.

MBIII is the better RB. But because starting him ahead of JuJo would tear at BP's ego and supposed knowledge of what he was doing, JuJo was played the majority of the time and in such a way as to last into the 3rd Qt. and then send in MBIII.



In the meantime, JuJo would rarely do anything in the first 3 Qts. and MBIII would have to perform more in less time just to get on the field. But he was awesome when he got in.

Truth is, didn't many of scream last year for MBIII to be the starter and let JuJo come off the bench instead..?

Never happened.

Why..?

BP would not allow anybody to second guess him.

Well..they will be second guessing him soon enough when they ship JuJo and draft another RB in April and give MBIII the starter gig.

We'll see.

:starspin

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