Will Julius Jones be traded? Espn....

speedkilz88;1412819 said:
My point is JJ didn't ever face nickel defenses and Barber did. Which would allow bigger runs might I ask? Its pretty obvious, but the JJ haters don't want to listen.

But those runs did not all come on 3rd down. Barber would be used for entire series in the 2nd half of games so it was not facing just nickel situations he would be in for entire drives. As for JJ haters I'm not, I don't hate the guy I just want more production from the starting RB, if he is going to get the majority of the carries then he has to be more consistent in his running and he has not been. I would love nothing more than to see him become a more productive RB and stay with this team for years but if he can't then I would like to see us get a back who can.
 
speedkilz88;1412819 said:
My point is JJ didn't ever face nickel defenses and Barber did. Which would allow bigger runs might I ask? Its pretty obvious, but the JJ haters don't want to listen.
That is your opinion - not fact. Julius had 57 carries with 3 or more receivers on the field. Barber had 43. Barber was far more effective in those situations, but he did not have more opportunities out of them.
 
4lifecowboy;1412817 said:
How many were in the 4th quarter? I don't want to get into a debate if Barber is productive or not, that is obvious but when you compare his talent to JJs I just feel JJ has more upside,it didn't seem so last year but when you look at their overall careers Jones has the talent to reap the most rewards between the two. Let next year playout before you right the guy off is all I'm saying.

I agree Jones has upside but it is like potential it only means something if you achieve it and thus far he has not. Just the fact that we have this debate says a lot. If Jones was showing some sort of consistency in his play week in and week out we would not be talking about his backup getting more playing time or trading him (which I don't think will happen).
 
If we trade him, we've got something planned for draft day. And coming out of a place like SD, I wouldn't put it past Wade to feel the need for a dominate full-time back to carry the load. Granted they did run 2 backs there, but anyone saying LT wasn't the MAIN guy has lost their mind and all football sense. You don't coach on the same team with a guy like LT playing and not have that rub off on ya, whether you were on the defensive side or not. For all the years he was there he looked across that line and saw an offense entirely anchored by one guy,..a premier running back. You can't tell me the notion to try 'n copy that hasn't crossed his mind, especially with the rich tradition of past running backs on the new team he's coming to. I wouldn't even want him as our coach if it didn't at least once. That's like Jerry knowing first hand what it was like to have the triplets and do damn little to nothing to try 'n replace those three the second they left us. Which I think most of us can agree, that was when Jerry started slipping in most of our minds. 9 years to find an Aikman replacement?? More to bring in TO! Still haven't found a true Emmitt replacement!!!! Well things are changing, Romo has arrived, TO is ready to terrorize ala Irvin, and now all we need is a real every down RB, which I think Jerry is starting to wise up to. And in regards to the last, Barber and Jones are not that, nor do the 2 of them together come even close to making that. Parcells is gone and it's hightime we start scratching that off the wall way of thinking from our brains. I'd take an Emmitt version2/TonyD version3 over a 1-2 Barber/Jones punch any given day of my lifetime, and so would most every true freaking Cowboy fan out there! Stop being nice, JuJo aint reading, his feelings wont' get hurt. And even if he did, who freaking cares because he's not Emmitt or TonyD and I don't freaking care if his feelings get hurt - either put up or get out, we don't have decades to waste, we're the Dallas Cowboys, we're AMERICA'S TEAM! Julius Jones has not proved he's first rate and we've given him more than enough opportunity to prove otherwise. So unless Barber can be that guy, which is doubtful at this point since he couldn't even unseat JJ for #1, then we have no choice but to look else where for what deep down we all know we need.

It's our final piece on offense, for without a back that can literally take over games and dominate, we're nothing more than an offense that's dictated by the other teams defense. I'm tired of going into the second halves of games not knowing which running back is going to beable to perform and take over. When we were at our best it was when Emmitt ruled the gridiron for the final 15 minutes of a game. There was no speculation after halftime, #22 was coming and you were gonna have to stop him to stop us, period! Enough with the wondering of whose in the "groove", we should have that one guy that's so good that we don't have to wonder anymore. Like I said, we're the Dallas Cowboys, not the punk-biotch owners of second rate running backs.. or at least we shouldn't be, though regrettably at the moment we are. I say it's time to fix this and at whatever the cost!
 
Doomsday101;1412836 said:
I agree Jones has upside but it is like potential it only means something if you achieve it and thus far he has not. Just the fact that we have this debate says a lot. If Jones was showing some sort of consistency in his play week in and week out we would not be talking about his backup getting more playing time or trading him (which I don't think will happen).

See you're going back to assessing him solely on last years performance IMO. How much of that was Parcells trying to change his running style? To be real none of us can really say, he was and is a scat back Parcells IMO tried to make him another Curtis Martin, let him be JJ. Do you deny Parcell's emphasized JJ was finally starting to "get it this year"? Thats what he was saying practally all year when the JJ vs Barber debate was brought up last season. Outside holding on to the ball with both hands there was little that needed to be changed from his running style from his first two seasons, let the kid trust his instincts he was off the chain when he did.
Listen to the players now that Parcells is gone they are all stressing the same thing, he wanted the players to play the system vs changing his system to fit the players and thats why he didn't succeed as far as getting the best out of the players he had.
 
4lifecowboy;1412886 said:
See you're going back to assessing him solely on last years performance IMO. How much of that was Parcells trying to change his running style? To be real none of us can really say, he was and is a scat back Parcells IMO tried to make him another Curtis Martin, let him be JJ. Do you deny Parcell's emphasized JJ was finally starting to "get it this year"? Thats what he was saying practally all year when the JJ vs Barber debate was brought up last season. Outside holding on to the ball with both hands there was little that needed to be changed from his running style from his first two seasons, let the kid trust his instincts he was off the chain when he did.
Listen to the players now that Parcells is gone they are all stressing the same thing, he wanted the players to play the system vs changing his system to fit the players and thats why he didn't succeed as far as getting the best out of the players he had.

Let me just say I want and hope Jones does a great job, as for the reason why that is anyone guess but anytime something goes wrong people will blame the last guy "It was his fault" fine it was all Parcells fault. Now BP is not here I expect to see Jones perform on a week in and week out basis not vanish and become a non-factor which happened all too often. Jones is entering the last year of his contract if I'm not mistaken and for Dallas to even think about resigning him he has to produce at a high level in my opinion and if not then we need to look to a back that can. As for Barber I don't know what he could do as a starting RB because he has not been given that opportunity if we based it on play then he was the most consistent back we had. I would hope Wade Phillips will allow an open competition for the job
 
He has been a starter in the NFL. He is young. He looks like he has potential. He has not become the dominant back that everyone thought he would be. I would trade him for a 2nd round pick if the Cowboys do not plan on paying to keep him next year. He isn't great right now, but you don't give him up unless it is for a premium pick since we are contenders this year.

The positive side of that trade is that it helps keep you in healthier shape cap wise by not paying out millions to resign Jones. Romo and Newman are going to eat up quite a bit of cap if they play well this year and we resign them.

Side note ..... it will be interesting to see if Adrian Peterson drops a little in the draft, since Cleveland picked up J. Lewis yesterday.
 
I wouldn't be adverse to trading Julius Jones if the price is right (2nd round pick). However, what needs to be taken into consideration is whether we believe MBIII is a carry the load back AND what backs would be available for us to draft in April as a "backup" or possible franchise back.

MBIII's history at the Univ. of Minnesota and thus far in the NFL suggest he is a share-the-load back. He was never the featured back in college and despite his few starts in 2005, hasn't been a featured back in the NFL. I think if he were ready to be our new "Emmitt" Coach Parcells would have thrown him in there as the starter. Parcells wanted to win now and had no problem switching QB's so I doubt he would have hesitated to pull Julius Jones. I like MBIII's role as it stands and I am far from a staunch Julius Jones supporter as many on this board probably already are aware.

Secondly, this year's draft features only one top flight back (Peterson) and two mid to late 1st round prospects (Lynch and Pittman). After those three there isn't much left. Most of the backs available in the 2nd thru 7th are not head turners. The kid from Arizona (Henry) is intriguing because of what he did at the underwear olympics in Indy. He has never started and left school because he didn't want to compete for the starting job. This season won't offer us many options for a feature back or for one who will be willing to share the load with MBIII. MBIII and Lawrence Maroney are different guys as were Ronnie Brown and Carnell Williams, they were used to sharing the load and could bury egos to do so again in the NFL.

All in all, I think we should keep Julius Jones and make him prove he is a featured back. If he doesn't then let him walk and look to the draft next year where it may be better at the RB position. If he does prove his worth, then re-sign him. The only way I trade him pre-draft is if the pick offered blows Jerry Jones socks off (high 2nd rounder).

Just my two pennies. ;)
 
Timing is everything with JJ. Do we deal him now and dodge his contract next year? Or do we wait and see if he produces the big year we have all been waiting for?

If someone offered a 3rd for him I would give serious consideration. He is not irreplaceable IMO.
 
dbair1967;1412631 said:
coem on Rack...he had a good chance to be Mr Irrelevent

David

:laugh2:

burmafrd;1412671 said:
what a joke. Not going to happen. No way do we try and trade up that high in the draft. we would have to use NEXT years first as well. Outside of Calvin Johnson, no one is worth that (except for Quinn, of course- heh heh; had to add that to get Just Say No to have a stroke).

I wouldn't trade up for Quinn but I'd take him at #22 if he falls that far.


Chocolate Lab;1412715 said:
I just don't understand the "JuJo SUX!!!!" crowd. You'd think the guy was Troy Hambrick or something.

Did anyone here actually say "JuJo SUX" or are you putting anyone in that category that doesn't think he's great?



superpunk;1412767 said:
Marion Barber's stats on carries of third and 8 or more

11 carries for 93 yards.

That's 8% of his carries, and 14% of his yardage.



superpunk;1412798 said:
Barber had only one run of more than 20 yards on third and long.

superpunk;1412826 said:
That might be because you said this;



That is clearly not where the discrepancy lies.

Julius had one 20 yard run on 1st and 8-10 - so did Barber

Julius had one 20 yard run on 2nd and 8-10 - so did Barber

Julius had one 20 yard run on second and more than 11, and one on second and 3-7.

Barber had one on 3rd and 8-10 and one on 3rd and less than 2.

There is almost no difference in where their big plays came from.



speedkillz just got owned.
 
Rack;1413105 said:
:laugh2:



I wouldn't trade up for Quinn but I'd take him at #22 if he falls that far.




Did anyone here actually say "JuJo SUX" or are you putting anyone in that category that doesn't think he's great?













speedkillz just got owned.
If time is running out and the 3rd down back is in the game, the defense is in their nickel.(halftime or at the end of the game). Not just down and distance. Also when the team is down by a lot of points.

Plus what I also was saying is that JJ doesn't get those type attempts anymore but Barber did. If you went back at JJ's past seasons he broke games open when he was running in typically passing situations when the other team was in pass rush mode and/or in nickel.
 
i would happily trade Jones for a 3rd pick and would be 50/50 on whether i would accept a 4th rd pick for him. he's just IMO not a franchise RB and his big play capability is extremely overrated by a lot of fans on this board. He may have it but it hasnt translated to the field PERIOD!
 
speedkilz88;1413169 said:
Plus what I also was saying is that JJ doesn't get those type attempts anymore but Barber did.
A point which has been repeatedly disproved in this thread...but please, continue to say the exact same ******** thing over and over again.
 
eman721;1413179 said:
A point which has been repeatedly disproved in this thread...but please, continue to say the exact same ******** thing over and over again.
When did JJ get 3rd down passing situations last year? When? Barber is the 3rd down back. JJ's best runs as a rookie were from the draw play when teams were overpursuing on the pass rush and he just did not get those opportunities. At least bring something to the table dude.
 
speedkilz88;1413186 said:
When did JJ get 3rd down passing situations last year? When? Barber is the 3rd down back. JJ's best runs as a rookie were from the draw play when teams were overpursuing on the pass rush and he just did not get those opportunities. At least bring something to the table dude.
Read the damn thread. I'm not going to regurgitate the info that has already been given to you.
 
speedkilz88;1413186 said:
When did JJ get 3rd down passing situations last year? When? Barber is the 3rd down back. JJ's best runs as a rookie were from the draw play when teams were overpursuing on the pass rush and he just did not get those opportunities. At least bring something to the table dude.

You keep saying that but Barber did more than just come in on 3rd down situation he has 63 carries on 1st down. He had 34 carries on 2nd down and 34 carries on 3rd down and 4 carries on 4th down. Barber is more than just a 3rd down back and was used quite a bit in the 2nd half of games.
 
eman721;1413189 said:
Read the damn thread. I'm not going to regurgitate the info that has already been given to you.
No, you would rather be childish and be offensive by name calling. I have valid points but there are those of you who would rather ignore them and name call.
 
The only way I would trade Jones for a 3rd rounder is if we could turn around and trade our 1st and a third to move up and take Peterson. (And I don't see that happening.) I think Jones is going to have a good year this year.
 

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