Williams facing hazy future - Mosley - 5/24/08

[tomson75]

Actually, I think he's on a family vacation.

Try again.

Now see, THAT was funny.

You've shown improvement....an idea or ability that seems unheard of around here at times.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

You've got Roy's own teammate (not a writer, blogger, analyst or your boy Adam) saying that Roy was a deer-in-the-headlight (not exactly a ringing endorsement of his skills), and you still hold up Adam as if he's the authority on Roy's play.

"Down" hardly describes Roy's season. You can hope as much as you want...it will never change.

Yet you have his position coach tell you that Roy doesn't deserve all this criticism and has over 100 tackles and was very busy. Is it okay if we hold Stewarts authority on Roy.

 

[Cowboyz88]

"Down" is a good word for it. It allows for some degree of scope. "Terrible" does not.

You and Adam say "down," I say "terrible." Perhaps "terrible" may be too harsh, but I would think that "down" doesn't describe his season enough.

Newman says "bad," so perhaps we should all defer Newman.

Now see, THAT was funny.

You've shown improvement....an idea or ability that seems unheard of around here at times.

See, again, I've been a Cowboys fan for 30+ years, so I can't be all that bad.

 

[28 Joker]

No its when you mindlessly blame Roy Williams for every pass given up last year, global warning, Not finding Osama, and Impregnating Tom Bradys girlfriend people are going to bring some sanity to the drivel being posted.


Its funny those saying "He had a bad year hopefully he does better" are mindless homers

Yet those who say "Roy sucks, he should be cut its all his fault wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" are the "realists"

Where did I say he was at fault for every pass Dallas gave up last year?

Specific plays have been discussed, and they were critical plays. The Santana Moss game cost Dallas a playoff spot. It was the tie breaker. The Seattle playoff game, Steve Smith taking advantage of his poor instincts and angles gets blamed on Reeves. Reeves was covering a guy one-on-one down the right sideline. Reeves tried to come back and make a play, but Roy was so slow and played the receiver at a very poor angle. As a result, he was dusted by the receiver. Williams let Smith beat him to the outside. Newman covers Smith like a blanket in the intermediate zone and passes him off to Williams. Williams' soft cushion and poor intincts playing the pass resulted in a clear throw for Manning. Again, the coaches should have know better to put Williams in one-on-one coverage with Steve Smith.

Roy is letting his teammates down when his play on the field demonstrates he needs major work on his game.

Again, get Nick Eatman let the people see Roy working on his speed and agility or in the film room or working on his pass defense techniques or working in practice to improve his ball tracking skills and angles to the ball.

His instincts in coverage are very, very poor. Furthermore, his ball tracking on the ground and intensity on the football field are in question.

Is it the fans' fault that Roy Williams stated that he didn't want the ball thrown his way. How can an NFL safety played scared?

Roy played linebacker in sub-packages and played on the line, and it produced this:

0 Sacks
0 Forced Fumbles
0 Tackles For Loss

If his attitude was better, and if he showed the fans that he was working his but off to get better and being a leader, that a $25 million dollar safety should be, perhaps, some fans would be more understanding.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

That's just it...Adam (and his buddies) soft-peddles most of Roy's faults to the point of showing none of the objectivity that he claims to have, and some of you just lap it up.

Most of us saw that Roy had a terrible year, yet Adam uses words to the effect of "down," "not as good as before," etc., which, again, do nothing but attempt to lighten Roy's actual play.

So, perhaps they should listen to Roy's own teammate, Terrence Newman's, opinion:

"He just sometimes gets a kind of a deer-in-the-headlights type of reaction to some plays."

"He had a bad season, as far as coverage."

He just said these things on Sports Sunday with Doocy.

So I guess we can add Newman to ALL THE OTHERS who have noted Roy's "bad season," but I'm sure some of you will just continue to listen to Adam's interpretation of Stats, Inc as law.

There I made it bigger so you would understand completely of what Newman was saying since you want to use his words as gospel. Most who defend Roy say he offered more to the defense than the bashers want to admit. I wonder what else Newman had to say. The part you cherry pick in a sense made our argument. Thanks.

 

[28 Joker]

Do you need sex?

Look how pent up you are about this play. Look how pathetic you look. I'm curious of other top notch safeties have ever misjudged a RB's hole. Hmmm...I wonder if any others have been "at fault".

I'd say the answer is yes. To both queries.

Personal attacks is why I don't post on this board.

Is that all you've got.

Is the threat next?

 

[tomson75]

Personal attacks is why I don't post on this board.

Is that all you've got.

Is the threat next?

I'm sorry you feel "attacked". I assure you that saying " you look pathetic" doesn't qualify as such for me, or I wouldn't have said so. No threats here pal, I'm just laughing.

BTW, you DO post on this board, or is this another myth that someone created?

 

[Cowboyz88]

There I made it bigger so you would understand completely of what Newman was saying since you want to use his words as gospel. Most who defend Roy say he offered more to the defense than the bashers want to admit. I wonder what else Newman had to say. The part you cherry pick in a sense made our argument. Thanks.

No, thank you for reiterating my point.

I'm not taking Newman's word as gospel (unlike you with Adam), but I'm pointing out that he's just saying the same things that so many others have said (including coaches and players).

I've never said Roy can't tackle, but I've maintained for some time that I think it's ridiculous to pay superstar money to someone who is "bad" or a "deer in the headlight" while performing half of his job requirements.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

No, thank you for reiterating my point.

I'm not taking Newman's word as gospel (unlike you with Adam), but I'm pointing out that he's just saying the same things that so many others have said (including coaches and players).

I've never said Roy can't tackle, but I've maintained for some time that I think it's ridiculous to pay superstar money who is "bad" or a "deer in the headlight" while performing half of his job requirements.

What about Stewart. Hears a few quotes:

Stewart said Williams has a good feel for defending against the inside run and talked about him "coming downfield heavy-handed," which is another way of saying that Williams remains a punishing defender.


"In breaking down the film, he's done a lot more good than bad," Stewart said. "He's very capable of doing everything we ask him to do. I believe he had 100 tackles, and that's a busy guy. If we can get him to stop horse-collaring guys, I think he's very, very capable of playing at a high level in our system."

Why aren't you quoting the Defensive coordinatoors words. do they not fit your agenda? You find something that Newman said in a radio show but in this very thread there are quotes that state what Roy has been to the defense. Why do you ignore them?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

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[Cowboyz88]

What about Stewart. Hears a few quotes:

Stewart said Williams has a good feel for defending against the inside run and talked about him "coming downfield heavy-handed," which is another way of saying that Williams remains a punishing defender.


"In breaking down the film, he's done a lot more good than bad," Stewart said. "He's very capable of doing everything we ask him to do. I believe he had 100 tackles, and that's a busy guy. If we can get him to stop horse-collaring guys, I think he's very, very capable of playing at a high level in our system."

Why aren't you quoting the Defensive coordinatoors words. do they not fit your agenda? You find something that Newman said in a radio show but in this very thread there are quotes that state what Roy has been to the defense. Why do you ignore them?

I can read, and I know the game.

Again, IMO, Roy is good while performing half of his duties.

Stewart's quotes, even when you bold them, do nothing to disprove my theory.

 

[28 Joker]

What do "emphamy" mean?

I mispelled a word. I'm not the spelling B champ. Do I have to sit down?

However, your avatar is interesting.

Perhaps, if Roy saw that coming at him, he might cover someone like a
$25 million dollar safety should. It might scare him.

You can dish it.

Can you take it?

At least Adam doesn't take cheap shots.

 

[peplaw06]

I don't post on this board.

Whew.... that's a relief.

 

[Rampage]

I mispelled a word. I'm not the spelling B champ. Do I have to sit down?

However, your avatar is interesting.

Perhaps, if Roy saw that coming at him, he might cover someone like a
$25 million dollar safety should. It might scare him.

You can dish it.

Can you take it?

At least Adam doesn't take cheap shots.

you can't win man. you even posted a link with the player saying he screwed up on the moss tds and stat boy spun that saying it was only the one. it's a waste of time. let them worship stat boy and we'll see what happens when september rolls around.

 

[peplaw06]

I can read, and I know the game.

Again, IMO, Roy is good while performing half of his duties.

Stewart's quotes, even when you bold them, do nothing to disprove my theory.

This is exactly why no one will win this argument, and why I'm so bored of the Roy stuff.

Aside from this thread, that is... for the sheer comical value of it.

You get an article from Matt Mosley, or that Lombardi dude, etc. Those articles are taken as gospel by the mob. Then when a quote from Brian Stewart is put forth by those trying to beat back the mob, the mob essentially sticks their fingers in their collective ears and sings, "la la la, not listening. You've done nothing to disprove my theory."

 

[tomson75]

I mispelled a word. I'm not the spelling B champ. Do I have to sit down?

However, your avatar is interesting.

Perhaps, if Roy saw that coming at him, he might cover someone like a
$25 million dollar safety should. It might scare him.

You can dish it.

Can you take it?

At least Adam doesn't take cheap shots.

My god you're sensitive. I hear cranberry juice helps.

Oh, and I believe you meant "spelling bee".....for future reference or FWIW.

 

[peplaw06]

you can't win man. you even posted a link with the player saying he screwed up on the moss tds and stat boy spun that saying it was only the one. it's a waste of time. let them worship stat boy and we'll see what happens when september rolls around.

another sign of a true fan. You'd rather be right about Roy and lose football games than be wrong about Roy.

 

[Rampage]

another sign of a true fan. You'd rather be right about Roy and lose football games than be wrong about Roy.

:laugh2: where did i say that?

 

[Goldenrichards83]

I can read, and I know the game.

Again, IMO, Roy is good while performing half of his duties.

Stewart's quotes, even when you bold them, do nothing to disprove my theory.

Wow! seems you are changing your stripes. At one point you were saying Roy wasn't good at anything now he's good at half his duties. I consider this a breakthrough. Shouldn't you spend more time on guys who weren't good for us at all (Jacque Reeves, Akin Ayodele). And if you are truly a fan of the Cowboys why does it surprise you that Roy isn't that great in coverage when we knew that from the beginning. In other words why so much hate for a player who you think is at least half good in his duties? I mean like 90% of your posts are about bashing Roy but you have said nothing about guys who performed even worse for this defense. What gives?

 

[Goldenrichards83]

This is exactly why no one will win this argument, and why I'm so bored of the Roy stuff.

Aside from this thread, that is... for the sheer comical value of it.

You get an article from Matt Mosley, or that Lombardi dude, etc. Those articles are taken as gospel by the mob. Then when a quote from Brian Stewart is put forth by those trying to beat back the mob, the mob essentially sticks their fingers in their collective ears and sings, "la la la, not listening. You've done nothing to disprove my theory."