Williams facing hazy future - Mosley - 5/24/08

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Gee. I hadn't heard that he went on vacation. And what is this 'daily zone' you speak of?

I'm saying you don't know a *single* extenuating circumstance about the absence and you're leaping to conclusions. I'm saying his coaches were ok with it, maybe there's a reason for that. I'm saying he just met with Stewart the week before, and the absence was excused. I'm saying you're confusing OTAs with practices and overreacting because you don't like the player anymore.

That's not my head, by the way. And that isn't sand.

Youre underinformed; its not my problem. And look at your webpage realy close and look for the words Daily Zone.

And what do you think and OTA is? The OTA is a practice thus named because of the CBA.

 

[Sarge]

... what is this 'daily zone' you speak of?

You're kidding right?

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Look around. He went on vacation with his family quite literally. If you want to stick your head in the sand because you dont want to look at the Daily Zone for two minutes then so be it.

So he's supposed to put football before his family? Maybe the vacation was planned before OTAs were scheduled. Would you put football before your family? If your daughter or son had it dead set on going somewhere and you made the date then find out that OTA's were scheduled(voluntary workouts) would you cancel your plans with your son or daughter? I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Are you saying Randy White or Cliff Harriss skipped practice?

I dont if they hang out in dumpsters with prostitutes when theyre not at VR or Texas Stadium as long as they show up to work and work hard. If a player is hurt or just getting old then of course you don't villify them. Thats not the case here.

No I am saying you or I don't know if they did or not because the media wasn't as crazy as it is now so again you just don't know.

 

[Idgit]

Youre underinformed; its not my problem. And look at your webpage realy close and look for the words Daily Zone.

And what do you think and OTA is? The OTA is a practice thus named because of the CBA.

We're both underinformed. Only one of us realizes it, though.
And you're misinformed about OTAs, or ignoring the differences on purpose.

You're kidding right?

Yes, I'm kidding. Everyone know Roy was excused for a vacation. Nobody knows the circumstances. Pointing me in the direction of the Daily Zone was condescending and sarcastic. How else to respond to that?

 

[BigDFan5]

yet 90% of your post are about Roy.

Man thats funny I looked it up and you are right, 90% of his posts here are bashing Roy and other posters on the Zone

 

[Cowboyz88]

Man thats funny I looked it up and you are right, 90% of his posts here are bashing Roy and other posters on the Zone

And, I agreed with an explanation, so what's your point?

 

[Sarge]

Yes, I'm kidding. Everyone know Roy was excused for a vacation. Nobody knows the circumstances. Pointing me in the direction of the Daily Zone was condescending and sarcastic. How else to respond to that?

I don't have a dog in this fight, was just making certain you were aware of it. Carry on guys......................... :america:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So he's supposed to put football before his family? Maybe the vacation was planned before OTAs were scheduled. Would you put football before your family? If your daughter or son had it dead set on going somewhere and you made the date then find out that OTA's were scheduled(voluntary workouts) would you cancel your plans with your son or daughter? I sure as hell wouldn't.

So now going on vacation is putting family first? Give me a break.

AS was said the OTAs are held each and every year at the same time. As a player commented, scheduling a vacation at that time is specious at best and more than likely egregious.

It should be obvious to everyone at this point that he is not going to to ever put in the work to be prepared to succeed on the filed. He just will not do it and he needs to be replaced. This isnt just a recent thing but rather soemthing that has been going on for quite some time.

As for my kids and my job. If i worked for the Cowboys and I found out that my teammates were having a practice during a time period where you are only allowed a limited number of practices then you bet your backside Im going to practice. I wouldnt let my teammates down like that. i would just reschedule the vacation for a time when there is no time conflict. I want my kids to have a work ethic and not whine when they dont get what they want.

They have all of July where they can go on vacation before TC which is what he should have done in the first place. its akin to a farmer plannign on vacation at the end of the Summer.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We're both underinformed. Only one of us realizes it, though.
And you're misinformed about OTAs, or ignoring the differences on purpose.

Sure thing, Daily Zone. Hes on vacation and OTAs are voluntary practices. On what level am i misinformed in any way shape or form?

He doesnt HAVE to be there but for some reason every player other than Hamlin is there. Funny how that works.

 

[iceberg]

So now going on vacation is putting family first? Give me a break.

AS was said the OTAs are held each and every year at the same time. As a player commented, scheduling a vacation at that time is specious at best and more than likely egregious.

It should be obvious to everyone at this point that he is not going to to ever put in the work to be prepared to succeed on the filed. He just will not do it and he needs to be replaced. This isnt just a recent thing but rather soemthing that has been going on for quite some time.

As for my kids and my job. If i worked for the Cowboys and I found out that my teammates were having a practice during a time period where you are only allowed a limited number of practices then you bet your backside Im going to practice. I wouldnt let my teammates down like that. i would just reschedule the vacation for a time when there is no time conflict. I want my kids to have a work ethic and not whine when they dont get what they want.

They have all of July where they can go on vacation before TC which is what he should have done in the first place. its akin to a farmer plannign on vacation at the end of the Summer.

1. someone said they were in june last year.
2. romo scheduled something that week and had to back out.

how come no one is on romo for NOT KNOWING that OTA are *ALWAYS* at that time?

cause he's not roy.

the double standard driving by disappointment in a player is simply amazing.

 

[Cowboyz88]

1. someone said they were in june last year.
2. romo scheduled something that week and had to back out.

how come no one is on romo for NOT KNOWING that OTA are *ALWAYS* at that time?

cause he's not roy.

the double standard driving by disappointment in a player is simply amazing.

What part of Romo cancelled and is working to get better don't you understand?

It's not near as difficult as you make it out to be.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

So now going on vacation is putting family first? Give me a break.

AS was said the OTAs are held each and every year at the same time. As a player commented, scheduling a vacation at that time is specious at best and more than likely egregious.

It should be obvious to everyone at this point that he is not going to to ever put in the work to be prepared to succeed on the filed. He just will not do it and he needs to be replaced. This isnt just a recent thing but rather soemthing that has been going on for quite some time.

As for my kids and my job. If i worked for the Cowboys and I found out that my teammates were having a practice during a time period where you are only allowed a limited number of practices then you bet your backside Im going to practice. I wouldnt let my teammates down like that. i would just reschedule the vacation for a time when there is no time conflict. I want my kids to have a work ethic and not whine when they dont get what they want.

They have all of July where they can go on vacation before TC which is what he should have done in the first place. its akin to a farmer plannign on vacation at the end of the Summer.

How can you call some underinformed when you don't know what your talkin about. Roy was excused because of a family vacation, rather it was a renunion, a trip with his kids or whatever it was a family vacation. You donb't consider that putting family first?

I didn't know the OTA's where on the same date of every year. If you can find me a link to that i would appreciatte it.

Well if you put your teammates before your son and daughter than to each is own but don't expect the majority of Fathers to be as committed as you and don't blast us if we decide the other way.

 

[iceberg]

What part of Romo cancelled and is working to get better don't you understand?

It's not near as difficult as you make it out to be.

and not as simple as you make it out to be.

one HUGE "BAD ROY!" was that he even dared to schedule "family time" during a time KNOWN to be OTA only.

if it were KNOWN to be OTA only time - then why did romo schedule a golf game that week?

i mean, it was known.

great that he cancelled, but the fact that he made that appointment to those not blinded by bashing would say that the times were not as locked down as the bashers would have you believe.

so my point isn't that he cancelled but that the time for OTA's must not be so solid, huh? if all smart players knew that was OTA time then romo, who we regard as a smart player, never would have scheduled an event for a time he knew he didn't have.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

1. someone said they were in june last year.
2. romo scheduled something that week and had to back out.

how come no one is on romo for NOT KNOWING that OTA are *ALWAYS* at that time?

cause he's not roy.

the double standard driving by disappointment in a player is simply amazing.

No say it ain't so. Yet noones jumps on this but hey lets pile on the guy everyone writing about and i thought the OTAs where the same time every year.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

and not as simple as you make it out to be.

one HUGE "BAD ROY!" was that he even dared to schedule "family time" during a time KNOWN to be OTA only.

if it were KNOWN to be OTA only time - then why did romo schedule a golf game that week?

i mean, it was known.

great that he cancelled, but the fact that he made that appointment to those not blinded by bashing would say that the times were not as locked down as the bashers would have you believe.

so my point isn't that he cancelled but that the time for OTA's must not be so solid, huh? if all smart players knew that was OTA time then romo, who we regard as a smart player, never would have scheduled an event for a time he knew he didn't have.

Reason and facts has no place in this argument. It Roy bashing time anything goes.

 

[AsthmaField]

I thought we were friends, we just don't see the same side of this issue. Look in some ways I am dissapointed in Roy but I defend him because most make him out to be this has been and its not the case. I played the game of football all 4 years in highschool and 2 years in college and what we always said is if you are struggleing in some aspect of the game you need to make it up in other ways. Yes Roy struggled in coverage but he made up for that by leading the team in solo tackles and 2nd in total tackles. but you guys act as if he is a total waste.

I agree with you on many principles there but making up for a lack of coverage doesn't make it ok to allow passes willy-nilly.

Roy could blast ballcarriers on every run and knock a couple of guys out cold per game... but if other teams can drop back when they badly need a first down, find where Roy is, target him, lock on to that receiver, throw the ball there and move the chains, then Roy becomes almost too big of a liability to overcome.

Williams' big plays in the run game doesn't stop critical third downs from being converted.

All it takes is one weak link in the secondary and a few things happen:
1. Teams target that weak spot and don't have to read the defense nearly as efficiently... the QB can pretty much just lock on and throw to Roy's guy because he knows that his guy will probably be open.
2. The pass rush becomes much less effective. When a QB knows where he's going, drops back and releases the ball in rhythm, the pass rush has a whole lot less time to get there. If you don't have a weakness in the secondary, the QB has to search more for open receivers and that extra tick of time gives the OLB's and DL enough time to get there. In other words, if we didn't have a coverage liability in on that down, the QB wouldn't simply throw towards him, but would instead have to search for an open receiver. That extra time would translate into sacks.
3. In any critical situation the offense can target the weakness in coverage and win in a good portion of the time. Third and long? No problem, just send the TE down the middle and float it over the coverage. First and goal? Just find Roy.

One known weak spot in coverage and the offensive coordinator will eat that up. We don't need a player back there that teams can gameplan towards. We need them guessing on coverages and who will be where. Mostly, we need only guys who can cover well in the secondary, and I think this year we have a group that will play so well, teams won't have a clue where to throw the ball.

All else being equal, I agree with you that I'd like to see Roy making some bonecrushing hits and forcing some fumbles... but we just can't afford for him to be out there in coverage on any type of consistant basis. Teams will simply target him (and be successful) far too often.

 

[Idgit]

Sure thing, Daily Zone. Hes on vacation and OTAs are voluntary practices. On what level am i misinformed in any way shape or form?

He doesnt HAVE to be there but for some reason every player other than Hamlin is there. Funny how that works.

Every player who wasn't excused was there. Hooray. The difference between OTAs and mandatory practice isn't all that interesting or really worth posting about, for either of us.

My other point was that there may be reasons why Roy prioritized his trip that we know nothing about and so there's not a lot of point in getting in a lather about it. One way or another the issue of Roy's commitment will be answered this season, so there's no reason not to kick back and see what happens.

 

[Cowboyz88]

No say it ain't so. Yet noones jumps on this but hey lets pile on the guy everyone writing about and i thought the OTAs where the same every year.

Again, not true (at least for me).

Believe it or not had Roy cancelled and Romo missed, I (an admitted Roy critic) would've been furious at Romo, because he IS supposedly a leader of the offense if not the team.

Leaders set the example for the others, which is yet another problem I have with Roy, although it now appears his place at the leaders table is now in question.

 

[iceberg]

Again, not true (at least for me).

Believe it or not had Roy cancelled and Romo missed, I (an admitted Roy critic) would've been furious at Romo, because he IS supposedly a leader of the offense if not the team.

Leaders set the example for the others, which is yet another problem I have with Roy, although it now appears his place at the leaders table is now in question.

given you won't let williams slide on anything without calling his dedication into play, i simply find it hard to swallow you're NOW going to suddenly be fair.

if you were "fair" then you'd never say "all OTAs are known times so he never should have scheduled this vacation!" did you ever say that? did you ever rely on that? if so, having romo schedule something also blows that out of the water.

well to those of us w/o an axe to grind on an obvious agenda.