Williams facing hazy future - Mosley - 5/24/08

[Goldenrichards83]

I agree with you on many principles there but making up for a lack of coverage doesn't make it ok to allow passes willy-nilly.

Roy could blast ballcarriers on every run and knock a couple of guys out cold per game... but if other teams can drop back when they badly need a first down, find where Roy is, target him, lock on to that receiver, throw the ball there and move the chains, then Roy becomes almost too big of a liability to overcome.

Williams' big plays in the run game doesn't stop critical third downs from being converted.

All it takes is one weak link in the secondary and a few things happen:
1. Teams target that weak spot and don't have to read the defense nearly as efficiently... the QB can pretty much just lock on and throw to Roy's guy because he knows that his guy will probably be open.
2. The pass rush becomes much less effective. When a QB knows where he's going, drops back and releases the ball in rhythm, the pass rush has a whole lot less time to get there. If you don't have a weakness in the secondary, the QB has to search more for open receivers and that extra tick of time gives the OLB's and DL enough time to get there. In other words, if we didn't have a coverage liability in on that down, the QB wouldn't simply throw towards him, but would instead have to search for an open receiver. That extra time would translate into sacks.
3. In any critical situation the offense can target the weakness in coverage and win in a good portion of the time. Third and long? No problem, just send the TE down the middle and float it over the coverage. First and goal? Just find Roy.

One known weak spot in coverage and the offensive coordinator will eat that up. We don't need a player back there that teams can gameplan towards. We need them guessing on coverages and who will be where. Mostly, we need only guys who can cover well in the secondary, and I think this year we have a group that will play so well, teams won't have a clue where to throw the ball.

All else being equal, I agree with you that I'd like to see Roy making some bonecrushing hits and forcing some fumbles... but we just can't afford for him to be out there in coverage on any type of consistant basis. Teams will simply target him (and be successful) far too often.

I agree with that evaluation but if he was so bad as most would contend how on earth did we go from 26th against the pass to 13th. How are we ranked the 9th defense overall. See I think Roy will fix what is ailing him by getting in the film room and get better. no he hasn't done so thus far but he hasn't faced this kind of scrutiny in his career.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Man thats funny I looked it up and you are right, 90% of his posts here are bashing Roy and other posters on the Zone

I like the guy alot because he has a great football IQ but he absolutely loves to bash Roy. I remember he made that post about Roy not making the Pro-bowl and was really letting guys have it and then Roy was added he was soooo pissed. :laugh2:

 

[BigDFan5]

I like the guy alot because he has a great football IQ but he absolutely loves to bash Roy. I remember he made that post about Roy not making the Pro-bowl and was really letting guys have it and then Roy was added he was soooo pissed. :laugh2:

I just read that one again, good times LOL

 

[iceberg]

I like the guy alot because he has a great football IQ but he absolutely loves to bash Roy. I remember he made that post about Roy not making the Pro-bowl and was really letting guys have it and then Roy was added he was soooo pissed. :laugh2:

when they wear their agendas on their sleeve, they're really not hard to spot. but they do get pretty upset and "selective" about evidence they'll allow into the discussion.

it's funny for awhile then comes into highly annoying and borderline troll.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

1. someone said they were in june last year.
2. romo scheduled something that week and had to back out.

how come no one is on romo for NOT KNOWING that OTA are *ALWAYS* at that time?

cause he's not roy.

the double standard driving by disappointment in a player is simply amazing.

Romo was at all the OTAs last year. What exactly is your point? That Romo will actually do what it takes to win while RW won't.?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree with that evaluation but if he was so bad as most would contend how on earth did we go from 26th against the pass to 13th. How are we ranked the 9th defense overall. See I think Roy will fix what is ailing him by getting in the film room and get better. no he hasn't done so thus far but he hasn't faced this kind of scrutiny in his career.

Its called a top 5 pass rush. At best Roy needs to only be on the field when Bradie is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Every player who wasn't excused was there. Hooray. The difference between OTAs and mandatory practice isn't all that interesting or really worth posting about, for either of us.

My other point was that there may be reasons why Roy prioritized his trip that we know nothing about and so there's not a lot of point in getting in a lather about it. One way or another the issue of Roy's commitment will be answered this season, so there's no reason not to kick back and see what happens.

They have to excuse him. Its against the CBA to forbid him.

Bottomline: while his teammates are working to make the team better, he is on vacation.

 

[iceberg]

Romo was at all the OTAs last year. What exactly is your point? That Romo will actually do what it takes to win while RW won't.?

fuzz - you're not this dense.

one major gripe about roy was that he KNEW ahead of time that the OTAs would be that week so he's just not paying attention. he doesn't care. he lacks committment. anything like that.

only romo scheduled something too.

how come williams is a SOB for daring to schedule something during OTA week (when it's always this week except when it isn't) but romo isn't?

not talking about who cancelled or changed plans - only why many dog roy for scheduling during this week but romo no one cares he did also.

if because he cancelled, fine. that's fair. but if because ALL PLAYERS KNOW when OTAs are - maybe that's just another "exagguration" out of frustration the bashers seem to dive into.

 

[Cowboyz88]

given you won't let williams slide on anything without calling his dedication into play, i simply find it hard to swallow you're NOW going to suddenly be fair.

if you were "fair" then you'd never say "all OTAs are known times so he never should have scheduled this vacation!" did you ever say that? did you ever rely on that? if so, having romo schedule something also blows that out of the water.

well to those of us w/o an axe to grind on an obvious agenda.

Well, we can discuss hypotheticals forever (but I'd rather not), but I feel certain that if two players, regardless of their names, scheduled events that conflicted with team events and one cancelled and one didn't, I'd be all over the one who didn't, even if his name was Aikman, Staubach, Irvin, T.O., Romo or Witten.

The thing is, though, that those guys didn't, but one guy did - Mr Roy. That's an indisputable fact, and has nothing to do with my so-called agenda.

 

[Idgit]

Well, we can discuss hypotheticals forever (but I'd rather not), but I feel certain that if two players, regardless of their names, scheduled events that conflicted with team events and one cancelled and one didn't, I'd be all over the one who didn't, even if his name was Aikman, Staubach, Irvin, T.O., Romo or Witten.

The thing is, though, that those guys didn't, but one guy did - Mr Roy. That's an indisputable fact, and has nothing to do with my so-called agenda.

It's also an indisputable fact that you don't really know the details behind the approved absence.

 

[Cowboyz88]

It's also an indisputable fact that you don't really know the details behind the approved absence.

Bottom line...did Roy Williams attend the OTA's in question, or not?

Did Tony Romo?

 

[Idgit]

They have to excuse him. Its against the CBA to forbid him.

Bottomline: while his teammates are working to make the team better, he is on vacation.

They have to excuse him. They don't have to support him publicly if they're generally unhappy with his level of commitment. Yet both his co-ordinator and the team owner have done so in the last ten days. Both of these people also know the details about why Roy wasn't at OTAs, by the way. We don't.

 

[iceberg]

Well, we can discuss hypotheticals forever (but I'd rather not), but I feel certain that if two players, regardless of their names, scheduled events that conflicted with team events and one cancelled and one didn't, I'd be all over the one who didn't, even if his name was Aikman, Staubach, Irvin, T.O., Romo or Witten.

The thing is, though, that those guys didn't, but one guy did - Mr Roy. That's an indisputable fact, and has nothing to do with my so-called agenda.

so called agenda? dude, when you're running around whacking all you can w/that axe, don't blame others for noticing how irrational you're being.

you dog on roy for even making those plans till you see romo made plans also now it's duck and hide behind another bullet vs. oops, maybe i was overly critical here.

i've YET to see a basher say they're being overly critical. only that anyone who would suggest it is usually an apologist.

you've got an agenda dude. i really don't give a velvet painting of a elvis and a whale getting it on if you don't realize it.

 

[Idgit]

Bottom line...did Roy Williams attend the OTA's in question, or not?

Did Tony Romo?

Roy Williams did not attend the OTAs. Under regular circumstances, he should have in no uncertain terms.

But that isn't the bottom line. You don't know anything about the circumstances beyond what Fuzzy was able to unearth someplace he calls the 'Daily Zone.' (He can show you how to get there, but then you'll have to be subjected to some sarcasm and it may not be worth it).

The bottom line is you're reacting to his absence without all of the relevant information.

 

[iceberg]

Bottom line...did Roy Williams attend the OTA's in question, or not?

Did Tony Romo?

but they BOTH had something scheduled during a time SO OBVIOUS it should be set aside MONTHS ago for OTAs.

no one gives a damn romo scheduled something only williams. compound that with romo was able to cancel and williams couldn't...the haters got themselves another bullet they refuse to let go of.

 

[iceberg]

Roy Williams did not attend the OTAs. Under regular circumstances, he should have in no uncertain terms.

But that isn't the bottom line. You don't know anything about the circumstances beyond what Fuzzy was able to unearth someplace he calls the 'Daily Zone.' (He can show you how to get there, but then you'll have to be subjected to some sarcasm and it may not be worth it).

The bottom line is you're reacting to his absence without all of the relevant information.

and when you have an agenda, you don't need relevant info. that just screws up a perfectly good hate.

 

[Idgit]

..i really don't give a velvet painting of a elvis and a whale getting it on if you don't realize it.

I want to be with you on this, but I don't know what to make of this metaphor.

 

[PosterChild]

I want to be with you on this, but I don't know what to make of this metaphor.

I can help. It refers to MOODY BLUES

It's an Elvis tune, which is, of course, about Blue Whales getting frisky. Thought everyone knew this...

 

[iceberg]

I can help. It refers to MOODY BLUES

It's an Elvis tune, which is, of course, about Blue Whales getting frisky. Thought everyone knew this...

i was actually going for a ricky bobby quote. : )

 

[Cowboyz88]

i've YET to see a basher say they're being overly critical. only that anyone who would suggest it is usually an apologist.

I admitted as much in this thread.

Roy Williams did not attend the OTAs. Under regular circumstances, he should have in no uncertain terms.

But that isn't the bottom line. You don't know anything about the circumstances beyond what Fuzzy was able to unearth someplace he calls the 'Daily Zone.' (He can show you how to get there, but then you'll have to be subjected to some sarcasm and it may not be worth it).

The bottom line is you're reacting to his absence without all of the relevant information.

What does it freaking matter if I know, you know or the President of the US knows what the circumstances are?

It's akin to worrying about what a thief 's mindset was when he broke into a house. Who cares? He still stole something.

He's not on the field getting better, while his teammates are. It's typical for him, and the fact that you guys can't even own up to that fact is typical for you guys.

but they BOTH had something scheduled during a time SO OBVIOUS it should be set aside MONTHS ago for OTAs.

no one gives a damn romo scheduled something only williams. compound that with romo was able to cancel and williams couldn't...the haters got themselves another bullet they refuse to let go of.

Are you kidding? With Roy's actions and words, he's handing us an entire arsenal. HE and HIS ACTIONS are what make it so easy.

I'd rather he just show up, shut up, stop pointing fingers and learn to cover, which I don't think is so much to ask from the guy. You know, do his job.