Williams facing hazy future - Mosley - 5/24/08

[BIGDen]

Just read that over at ESPN -- that's a solid article.

The OTA thing bugs -- what his teammates are saying (and I'm betting it is T-New and Bradie James) is legit -- dude, you freaking know we have OTAs this time of the year, you've got about 6 free months ALL year, don't be a dumb-a**. I know people will say it is an excused absence but what the hell is Phillips going to say? "I don't excuse him from VOLUNTARY work outs?"

AMEN! Williams needs to be in the best shape he can be in, regain the confidence of his teammates and, most importantly, regain his OWN confidence. He knew there would be OTAs in May - c'mon. Those who defend his "scheduled vacation" really need to open their eyes

 

[AdamJT13]

he went for the TE who had a linebacker underneath and the other safety over the top. is that a myth too? you're wrong he didn't play it correctly

Like I said, it was quarters coverage, which means he did play it correctly. Just like everyone involved has said.

But by all means, continue wallowing.

 

[Rampage]

Like I said, it was quarters coverage, which means he did play it correctly. Just like everyone involved has said.

But by all means, continue wallowing.

nobody was in his zone. he had to choose between the TE who had 2 guys already covering him or moss who had 1 guy behind him. by your standards Roy should be in the hall of fame already.

 

[AdamJT13]

nobody was in his zone. he had to choose between the TE who had 2 guys already covering him or moss who had 1 guy behind him.

He didn't have a "zone." It was quarters coverage. You obviously don't understand what that means and what Roy's responsibilities were.

by your standards Roy should be in the hall of fame already.

I've never said anything like that. But of course, your entire case against Roy is built on exaggerations, hyperbole, myths and ignorance, so it's not surprising that you'd claim that.

 

[Rampage]

He didn't have a "zone." It was quarters coverage. You obviously don't understand what that means and what Roy's responsibilities were.

actually it is a zone or an area if you wanna get specific. what was his responsibility than?

 

[AdamJT13]

actually it is a zone or an area if you wanna get specific.

Not in quarters. His primary responsibility is to watch the inside receiver on his side (in this case, Cooley) and cover him man-to-man if he runs a vertical route. Cooley did that, which made him Roy's responsibility. The only way Roy would have any responsibility to help Glenn on the outside is if Cooley had not run a vertical route.

 

[Rampage]

Not in quarters. His primary responsibility is to watch the inside receiver on his side (in this case, Cooley) and cover him man-to-man if he runs a vertical route. Cooley did that, which made him Roy's responsibility. The only way Roy would have any responsibility to help Glenn on the outside is if Cooley had not run a vertical route.

watch it again.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We can sit here and argue minutiae all day long. One thing that you have not been able to reconcile is how multiple coaches on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball have talked about Roy being a liability in passing situations. This includes one of his own coaches in Clancy Pendergast.

Now you can sit here and say that we are all wrong and don't know what we are talking about but are you going to say the same about NFL coaches?

They target and exploit him. NFL coaches say they do and do it with success so really saying that this particular play or this particular method of exploit doesn't count doesn't bring very much to the table.

 

[Hostile]

Not in quarters. His primary responsibility is to watch the inside receiver on his side (in this case, Cooley) and cover him man-to-man if he runs a vertical route. Cooley did that, which made him Roy's responsibility. The only way Roy would have any responsibility to help Glenn on the outside is if Cooley had not run a vertical route.

I hope roast is your favorite meal. You've eaten enough of it to be stuffed for a long time.

:wink2:

 

[Rampage]

I hope roast is your favorite meal. You've eaten enough of it to be stuffed for a long time.

:wink2:

go watch the play cause he didn't run a verticle route. he ran a post right into keith's area which was covered by keith.

 

[Hostile]

go watch the play cause he didn't run a verticle route. he ran a post right into keith's area which was covered by keith.

Quarters is a Zone coverage scheme?

:laugh2:

I learn new stuff every day.

 

[Rampage]

Quarters is a Zone coverage scheme?

:laugh2:

I learn new stuff every day.

totally disregard what i just posted. watch the play before you just assume stat boy is right.

 

[tomson75]

totally disregard everything I've ever posted.

Done!

 

[Hostile]

totally disregard what i just posted. watch the play before you just assume stat boy is right.

Quarters is a Zone scheme?

Link please. Naw, nevermind. I really don't need to see that there's no link.

 

[WDN]

We can sit here and argue minutiae all day long. One thing that you have not been able to reconcile is how multiple coaches on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball have talked about Roy being a liability in passing situations. This includes one of his own coaches in Clancy Pendergast.

Now you can sit here and say that we are all wrong and don't know what we are talking about but are you going to say the same about NFL coaches?

They target and exploit him. NFL coaches say they do and do it with success so really saying that this particular play or this particular method of exploit doesn't count doesn't bring very much to the table.

It's teh MyThHHhh!?!/1?1?1?1?1

 

[Rampage]

Quarters is a Zone scheme?

Link please. Naw, nevermind. I really don't need to see that there's no link.

it's a combo of zone and man designed to keep everything in front of you not to give up deep passes. if moss runs a 10 yard in route is glenn supposed to follow him across the field? no because he's supposed to stay in his zone or area.

 

[Hostile]

it's a combo of zone and man designed to keep everything in front of you not to give up deep passes. if moss runs a 10 yard in route is glenn supposed to follow him across the field? no because he's supposed to stay in his zone or area.

Dig a little deeper in the well boys, dig a little deeper in the well. If you want a cool, cool drink of water you've got to dig a little deeper in the well.

 

[Rampage]

Dig a little deeper in the well boys, dig a little deeper in the well. If you want a cool, cool drink of water you've got to dig a little deeper in the well.

tell where i'm wrong. nevermind it will be some smartarse comment again.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's teh MyThHHhh!?!/1?1?1?1?1

I do definitely think that Adam is right on in a bunch of this. I agree that the common perception that he is absolutely abysmal in coverage is overstated. i also happen to think that his stance of saying he is even average in coverage is just as wrong.

The writing is on the wall. They take him out of downfield coverage responsibilities, and replace him with a corner. Arguing whether or not a formation is nickel or 3-4 misses the forest for the sake of the trees. He was replaced. This whole issue of him not working out with the team and skipping team practices is just the nail in the coffin as far as I am concerned.

i am all but certain that his lack of effort will result in another season for Roy like last year and that he will be cut or traded. i also fully expect that this will finally motivate his lazy *** into doing the work he needs to for a season or two but at the end of the day he is not going to do what it takes to be successful with this team.

 

[Hostile]

tell where i'm wrong. nevermind it will be some smartarse comment again.

I've told you twice. Can you please provide a link that quarters coverage is a zone scheme? A link, not your interpretation of the assignments.

A link? Linky? Linkie? Whichever you prefer.

You're digging your argument into a hole and "statboy" (I hate that BTW) is burying you in it.