Williams facing hazy future - Mosley - 5/24/08

AdamJT13 · May 25, 2008

Rampage;2094359 said:
yeah who cares if cooley is running to the opposite side of the field though.

He's running a post, and he's Roy's primary responsibility.

Why is that difficult to comprehend?

If Brunell had thrown a completion to Cooley, I'm positive you'd be saying that Cooley was Roy's responsibility. (And you'd be right for a change.)

Rampage · May 25, 2008

AdamJT13;2094369 said:
He's running a post, and he's Roy's primary responsibility.

Why is that difficult to comprehend?

If Brunell had thrown a completion to Cooley, I'm positive you'd be saying that Cooley was Roy's responsibility. (And you'd be right for a change.)

he ran into davis's area it wasn't Roy's responsibility anymore

TheCount · May 25, 2008

I swear, no teams fans hate each other more than Cowboy fans. :laugh2:

AdamJT13 · May 25, 2008

firehawk350;2094362 said:
I'm sorry, I'm a little less informed, but if I'm correct, quarters is a hybrid man/zone coverage right? Basically, Roy takes the inside "receiver" if he runs a deep route (in this case, and bear in mind, I haven't seen the clip, Cooley running a post). However, if Cooley ran a curl or an out or something like that, Roy's assignment would have been help deep with Moss?

On this play, you would be correct about Roy's responsibilities. If Cooley had run a short route -- certainly not 25 yards down the field -- then Roy's next responsibility would be to double Moss. But because Cooley ran a post, Roy's responsibility was to cover Cooley.

firehawk350 · May 25, 2008

So if it's not zone and it's not man (given that he could have not covered Cooley) and it's not a hybrid, then what the heck is it?

WDN · May 25, 2008

All this over a guy that is not going to be on the team after this season.

Good riddance.

Hostile · May 25, 2008

firehawk350;2094380 said:
So if it's not zone and it's not man (given that he could have not covered Cooley) and it's not a hybrid, then what the heck is it?

I looked for a link. I didn't find a good one, but this explains it a little bit.

Link

Sorry that I didn't find one better than that. It doesn't really define it either way, just describes the assignments. If you read it closely though you will see that each Safety has a specific assignment which would make it a man scheme, not a Zone.

AdamJT13 · May 25, 2008

Rampage;2094373 said:
he ran into davis's area it wasn't Roy's responsibility anymore

You have no clue, do you?

Davis didn't have an "area." Davis had his own receiver he was responsible for on the other side of the field. And Cooley was still outside the hashmarks on Roy's side of the field when the ball was thrown. Roy's responsibility was to cover Cooley, not cover an "area." He became Roy's responsibility as soon as he ran a vertical route and remained Roy's responsibility throughout the play.

AdamJT13 · May 25, 2008

firehawk350;2094380 said:
So if it's not zone and it's not man (given that he could have not covered Cooley) and it's not a hybrid, then what the heck is it?

It's essentially man-to-man for the secondary because they're responsible for a particular receiver. Which receiver that is depends on the type of routes they run.

odog422 · May 25, 2008

Did anyone read the link that Hostile posted?? Seriously. Hos you apologized but for purposes of this thread all one has to do is read the section entitled "Safties" which clearly states a) being responsible for a receiver NOT a zone, section, quarter, etc. and b) what a vertical route is.

Rampage · May 25, 2008

AdamJT13;2094385 said:
You have no clue, do you?

Davis didn't have an "area." Davis had his own receiver he was responsible for on the other side of the field. And Cooley was still outside the hashmarks on Roy's side of the field when the ball was thrown. Roy's responsibility was to cover Cooley, not cover an "area." He became Roy's responsibility as soon as he ran a vertical route and remained Roy's responsibility throughout the play.

the other cb i don't know if it was newman or henry had the other wr. davis saw this so he went over to cover cooley. do you even know why they call it quarters?

AdamJT13 · May 25, 2008

Bob Sacamano;2094387 said:
it's a zone

you divide the field into quarters, and assign responsibility for a player to each one, hence, quarters

In simple schemes (high school, maybe some colleges), they might call a four-deep zone "quarters," but that's not how we run it. Nor is it how most NFL and college defenses run it.

Quarters is not a zone scheme. Read the description at Hostile's link.

Bob Sacamano · May 25, 2008

AdamJT13;2094393 said:
In simple schemes (high school, maybe some colleges), they might call a four-deep zone "quarters," but that's not how we run it. Nor is it how most NFL and college defenses run it.

Quarters is not a zone scheme. Read the description at Hostile's link.

but I am but a simple man

lol, thanks for clarifying

AbeBeta · May 25, 2008

AdamJT13;2094350 said:
Ellis said Roy told him that in training camp last year.

I'm really beginning to think you work for Roy.

I would think that you are Roy but, given the rambling note directed at JJT a couple of years ago, you are clearly far too literate to actually BE Roy. And you haven't accused anyone of being gay.

tomson75 · May 25, 2008

AdamJT13;2094393 said:
In simple schemes (high school, maybe some colleges), they might call a four-deep zone "quarters," but that's not how we run it. Nor is it how most NFL and college defenses run it.

Quarters is not a zone scheme. Read the description at Hostile's link.

That's where I was getting confused. The Quarter's scheme we ran in high school was a simple zone.....but we were a "simple" team.

WDN · May 25, 2008

abersonc;2094396 said:
I'm really beginning to think you work for Roy.

I would think that you are Roy but, given the rambling note directed at JJT a couple of years ago, you are clearly far too literate to actually BE Roy. And you haven't accused anyone of being gay.

JJT..

Rampage · May 25, 2008

tomson75;2094398 said:
That's where I was getting confused. The Quarter's scheme we ran in high school was a simple zone.....but we were a "simple" team.

same here. how do you know they run it differently adam?

odog422 · May 25, 2008

odog422;2094391 said:
Did anyone read the link that Hostile posted?? Seriously. Hos you apologized but for purposes of this thread all one has to do is read the section entitled "Safties" which clearly states a) being responsible for a receiver NOT a zone, section, quarter, etc. and b) what a vertical route is.

I guess the answer would be "No..."

TheCount · May 25, 2008

abersonc;2094396 said:
I'm really beginning to think you work for Roy.

I would think that you are Roy but, given the rambling note directed at JJT a couple of years ago, you are clearly far too literate to actually BE Roy. And you haven't accused anyone of being gay.

Why does he work for Roy? Because he's pointing out that most fans have no idea what's going on, regardless of whether they've been a fan since they were in diapers?

Rampage;2094401 said:
same here. how do you know they run it differently adam?

It's not just us, if you google it you'll see that it's run the way Adam is describing when you get into the big leagues.

Here's a VERY short video of a former NFL coach describing what a safety is doing in Quarters.

bbgun · May 25, 2008

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