Williams Overrated, counterpoint

[Hostile]

This looks to be the correct place for this question. For some reason, I can't seem to remember if it was last year or the year before that Roy had the a buscuit away from a linebacker thing going on. Maybe it was both years. Anyways, would someone enlighten me?

Tuna still calls him Biscuit from what I've heard, so I assume it is his moniker to stay.

 

[TEK2000]

I guess I'll start the list of missed tackles by Ed Reed by showing this:

http://img279.*************/img279/1096/reedvsbettis0cp.gif

Yep.. 1 play doesn't accurately portray a player's ability. But, until someone can name a play where Roy missed a tackle other than the Gonzalez play, we're now tied 1 to 1 on the Reed vs Roy tackling ability discussion.

 

[littlewebs]

I'm also still waiting for the answer to the question that never gets answered.

List all these TDs and big plays Roy has given up. List some of these missed tackles.

Beyond Shockey's TD last year and missed tackles on Chris Brown and Tony Gonzales, I have no idea where this ridiculous perception that Roy is a TD-allowing, tackle missing machine comes from. Please, enlighten us all with the apparent laundry list of missed tackles and TDs allowed that Roy has been responsible for.

Still true for yet another 3-digit reply thread.

 

[burmafrd]

Least got a certain someone to admit Roy is a top safety- which he was denying a few posts ago. Roy is one of the top 3 safeties- I think Reed is the only one that has a clear edge- and Roy hits harder and his stats outside of INT's is better.

 

[BruceWayne]

Ask the receivers in league if he's overrated. Ed Reed is great but receivers don't look for him in the middle of a route like they do Roy

 

[AbeBeta]

Ask the receivers in league if he's overrated. Ed Reed is great but receivers don't look for him in the middle of a route like they do Roy

Yawn.

Ask the Qb's about Reed.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yawn.

Ask the Qb's about Reed.

Well said.

 

[BlueStar22]

Yawn.

Ask the Qb's about Reed.

I did, and they say he hits like a 4-year old and Roy hits like a man.

 

[TEK2000]

I did, and they say he hits like a 4-year old and Roy hits like a man.

I would assume he meant ask them about INT's... because, by his sack #'s, he rarely ever touches the QB.

 

[AbeBeta]

I would assume he meant ask them about INT's... because, by his sack #'s, he rarely ever touches the QB.

Ed Reed has 4 career sacks.

Roy has a whopping 6.5.

Wow. Huge difference there.

 

[Tristan]

I won't even waste my time arguing with those who cannot appreciate Roy Williams for the rare, dominant, game changing force that he is.

I've seen Champ Bailey get beat more than R.W., it happens. Some seem so intent on obsessing over a few bad plays. It happens to everyone period. Bad plays, bad games, bad days, it happens to everyone, even Joe Montana.

I think the problem stems from the fact that some feel that Roy Williams should be superman, he should nock the crap out of someone on every play and cause a fumble and then pick it up and take it to the house, or intercept every pass. I admit his enormous physical abilities can tease you at times, and maybe he hasn't quite developed to the point where he is as dominant as he can be, but he is a force on the feild period. Nobody does as much to impact the game from a safety position IMO.

Even last year while he is still spread too thin helping cover our other weaknesses in the secondary, I clearly remember watching the games with my wife who is a football novice but gives her best to watch and learn, and game after game my wife would point out that at times it seemed that "that #31 guy" is making every tackle.

I have Sunday Ticket, and I watched and recorded every game, and game in game out Roy Williams is everywhere. I stand by my previous statement that there is no player in the game who has the overall impact that Roy Williams has for a Defense. Not only is he by far the hardest hitter in the game today period, but I have to go back to Jack tatum to even find a comparable hitter, no one intimidates like Roy!

As I said, every player gets beat here and there, but after personally rewatching our games this offseason I feel that Roy williams is actually pretty darn good in coverage more oftern than not, the one thing I found was that he would get in position to make the pick quite often only to drop the pick or bat it down, and while that is frustrating he was at least right there in position to make the pick, his uncanny nack to be around the ball is pure instinct and talent, the picks will come.

It seems to me that Roy Williams should be on the All Under Appreciated team. You have to look at more than an occasional missed tackle or blown coverage, you have to look at his overall impact as a hitter, run stopping force, leader, and clutch playmaker to truly appreciate him for the Elite incomprable force that he is, and I beleive he will grow into such a dominant force that discussions like this will be a joke.

 

[Birdlives]

I didn't prove your point... I simply said it could be argued. I wouldn't argue it, but I guess you can... go ahead, but that's about the only one you could argue. By the end of Roy's career though, I figure the argument would be laughable.

As I've already said I don't think Roy is overrated, I don't think I need to repeat myself on that note.

However, He is still not yet the #1 SS in the league. Sorry, he just isn't. Then again, how is being #2 or #3 putting the man down? At this point in time, before 2006 starts and this is JMO, so don't go blowing up the world, Dawkins and Polomalu are better.

I will also be interested to see how Roy deals with the rules changes taking place for the 2006 season before I annoint him best SS ever. Again, JMO, no need to freak out.

 

[littlewebs]

I won't even waste my time arguing with those who cannot appreciate Roy Williams for the rare, dominant, game changing force that he is.

I've seen Champ Bailey get beat more than R.W., it happens. Some seem so intent on obsessing over a few bad plays. It happens to everyone period. Bad plays, bad games, bad days, it happens to everyone, even Joe Montana.

I think the problem stems from the fact that some feel that Roy Williams should be superman, he should nock the crap out of someone on every play and cause a fumble and then pick it up and take it to the house, or intercept every pass. I admit his enormous physical abilities can tease you at times, and maybe he hasn't quite developed to the point where he is as dominant as he can be, but he is a force on the feild period. Nobody does as much to impact the game from a safety position IMO.

Even last year while he is still spread too thin helping cover our other weaknesses in the secondary, I clearly remember watching the games with my wife who is a football novice but gives her best to watch and learn, and game after game my wife would point out that at times it seemed that "that #31 guy" is making every tackle.

I have Sunday Ticket, and I watched and recorded every game, and game in game out Roy Williams is everywhere. I stand by my previous statement that there is no player in the game who has the overall impact that Roy Williams has for a Defense. Not only is he by far the hardest hitter in the game today period, but I have to go back to Jack tatum to even find a comparable hitter, no one intimidates like Roy!

As I said, every player gets beat here and there, but after personally rewatching our games this offseason I feel that Roy williams is actually pretty darn good in coverage more oftern than not, the one thing I found was that he would get in position to make the pick quite often only to drop the pick or bat it down, and while that is frustrating he was at least right there in position to make the pick, his uncanny nack to be around the ball is pure instinct and talent, the picks will come.

It seems to me that Roy Williams should be on the All Under Appreciated team. You have to look at more than an occasional missed tackle or blown coverage, you have to look at his overall impact as a hitter, run stopping force, leader, and clutch playmaker to truly appreciate him for the Elite incomprable force that he is, and I beleive he will grow into such a dominant force that discussions like this will be a joke.

I agree 100%

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I won't even waste my time arguing with those who cannot appreciate Roy Williams for the rare, dominant, game changing force that he is.

I've seen Champ Bailey get beat more than R.W., it happens. Some seem so intent on obsessing over a few bad plays. It happens to everyone period. Bad plays, bad games, bad days, it happens to everyone, even Joe Montana.

I think the problem stems from the fact that some feel that Roy Williams should be superman, he should nock the crap out of someone on every play and cause a fumble and then pick it up and take it to the house, or intercept every pass. I admit his enormous physical abilities can tease you at times, and maybe he hasn't quite developed to the point where he is as dominant as he can be, but he is a force on the feild period. Nobody does as much to impact the game from a safety position IMO.

Even last year while he is still spread too thin helping cover our other weaknesses in the secondary, I clearly remember watching the games with my wife who is a football novice but gives her best to watch and learn, and game after game my wife would point out that at times it seemed that "that #31 guy" is making every tackle.

I have Sunday Ticket, and I watched and recorded every game, and game in game out Roy Williams is everywhere. I stand by my previous statement that there is no player in the game who has the overall impact that Roy Williams has for a Defense. Not only is he by far the hardest hitter in the game today period, but I have to go back to Jack tatum to even find a comparable hitter, no one intimidates like Roy!

As I said, every player gets beat here and there, but after personally rewatching our games this offseason I feel that Roy williams is actually pretty darn good in coverage more oftern than not, the one thing I found was that he would get in position to make the pick quite often only to drop the pick or bat it down, and while that is frustrating he was at least right there in position to make the pick, his uncanny nack to be around the ball is pure instinct and talent, the picks will come.

It seems to me that Roy Williams should be on the All Under Appreciated team. You have to look at more than an occasional missed tackle or blown coverage, you have to look at his overall impact as a hitter, run stopping force, leader, and clutch playmaker to truly appreciate him for the Elite incomprable force that he is, and I beleive he will grow into such a dominant force that discussions like this will be a joke.

Roy Williams isn't even approaching Darren Woodson level at this point.

Roy is good, he just isn't as good as his minions would like you to believe.

 

[superpunk]

As I've already said I don't think Roy is overrated, I don't think I need to repeat myself on that note.

However, He is still not yet the #1 SS in the league. Sorry, he just isn't. Then again, how is being #2 or #3 putting the man down? At this point in time, before 2006 starts and this is JMO, so don't go blowing up the world, Dawkins and Polomalu are better.

I will also be interested to see how Roy deals with the rules changes taking place for the 2006 season before I annoint him best SS ever. Again, JMO, no need to freak out.

It would kick *** if Dawkins was a SS.

But he's not.

As for Roy v. Troy - it's a pick-em situation.

There's Ed Reed at 1, roy or Try at 2, among SS's.

 

[Birdlives]

It would kick *** if Dawkins was a SS.

But he's not.

As for Roy v. Troy - it's a pick-em situation.

There's Ed Reed at 1, roy or Try at 2, among SS's.

My mistake.

 

[ringmaster]

I won't even waste my time arguing with those who cannot appreciate Roy Williams for the rare, dominant, game changing force that he is.

I've seen Champ Bailey get beat more than R.W., it happens. Some seem so intent on obsessing over a few bad plays. It happens to everyone period. Bad plays, bad games, bad days, it happens to everyone, even Joe Montana.

I think the problem stems from the fact that some feel that Roy Williams should be superman, he should nock the crap out of someone on every play and cause a fumble and then pick it up and take it to the house, or intercept every pass. I admit his enormous physical abilities can tease you at times, and maybe he hasn't quite developed to the point where he is as dominant as he can be, but he is a force on the feild period. Nobody does as much to impact the game from a safety position IMO.

Even last year while he is still spread too thin helping cover our other weaknesses in the secondary, I clearly remember watching the games with my wife who is a football novice but gives her best to watch and learn, and game after game my wife would point out that at times it seemed that "that #31 guy" is making every tackle.

I have Sunday Ticket, and I watched and recorded every game, and game in game out Roy Williams is everywhere. I stand by my previous statement that there is no player in the game who has the overall impact that Roy Williams has for a Defense. Not only is he by far the hardest hitter in the game today period, but I have to go back to Jack tatum to even find a comparable hitter, no one intimidates like Roy!

As I said, every player gets beat here and there, but after personally rewatching our games this offseason I feel that Roy williams is actually pretty darn good in coverage more oftern than not, the one thing I found was that he would get in position to make the pick quite often only to drop the pick or bat it down, and while that is frustrating he was at least right there in position to make the pick, his uncanny nack to be around the ball is pure instinct and talent, the picks will come.

It seems to me that Roy Williams should be on the All Under Appreciated team. You have to look at more than an occasional missed tackle or blown coverage, you have to look at his overall impact as a hitter, run stopping force, leader, and clutch playmaker to truly appreciate him for the Elite incomprable force that he is, and I beleive he will grow into such a dominant force that discussions like this will be a joke.

Every safety comes in different flavors but the bottom line is you can't please everybody no matter how much you do for them.

It' just like the Green Goblin, told Spiderman, "In spite of everything you do for them eventually they'll hate you".

As long as they make plays they can be on my team anyday of the week show me a "perfect" never make a mistake football player and I'll go and pick up a rattlesnake knowing that it will bite me.

Why waste your time arguing with these "know it alls" anyway?

I love intelligent football fans because they really know their stuff but the thing that gets me is that some of these smart football fans side with these "trolls" because their afraid of being called a "homer" so they agree with them for the latter.

Roy Williams, has holes in his game just as well as Reed, each are different safeties RW, is known for his great hits and Reed, is known for his coverage ability.

Hell there are some on this board who will say that Darren Sharper, is a far better safety than RW, we all know that he isn't in the same league than Williams, is in tackling and if some try to refute this claim remember one name Ed McCaffery.

Be keep it up because it's you and other true fans that these trolls are jealous of.


Remember that play last Thanksgiving, against the Broncos, where Roy caused a fumble on the Mike Anderson hit, and Anderson, isn't a small back and he's about 230lbs, of solid muscle do most of these "trolls" think Reed, would caused that fumble on that same play.

That goes to show the difference between the two.

 

[percyhoward]

I didn't read this whole thread, so apologies if somebody else already said this. But who cares if he IS the league's most overrated player--whatever that means? Eleven guys on a defense all playing with Roy's intensity equals the most imtimidating defense in league history.

Tell me it doesn't.

 

[Hostile]

I didn't read this whole thread, so apologies if somebody else already said this. But who cares if he IS the league's most overrated player--whatever that means? Eleven guys on a defense all playing with Roy's intensity equals the most imtimidating defense in league history.

Tell me it doesn't.

Great point.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I didn't read this whole thread, so apologies if somebody else already said this. But who cares if he IS the league's most overrated player--whatever that means? Eleven guys on a defense all playing with Roy's intensity equals the most imtimidating defense in league history.

Tell me it doesn't.

............crickets...........