Without Dak this roster doesn't have a chance

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That's why the man was made the highest paid player in the NFL

60 million a year has to be the man........we will just sit back and wait for it
 

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That's why the man was made the highest paid player in the NFL

60 million a year has to be the man........we will just sit back and wait for it
Well, he’s the man for our owners. Remember they are the ones who think he’s Elite or at least to provide stability and enough to build around . Not most Cowboys fans.

But we must also remember that over paying average to above average QB’s is the norm in NFL. Is Trevor Lawrence worth 55 mil? How about Love ? Is Tua worth 50+. Cousins certainly doesn’t look worth his contract. How about Murray. The list goes on.

Unfortunately this is the nature of the business in the NFL. It comes down to do you have a Franchise QB to build around or not . And how long until you find another one .

If it was up to me I’d be continually drafting another QB or heir apparent to provide more options so you aren’t hamstrung into over paying average Franchise QB’s to maintain a relevant chance to make the playoffs.

Franchise QB’s provide stability for teams. Then it becomes more about trying to build around them best you can. Of course the better these QB’s are the easier it is. And obviously greater possibility for success.

But unfortunately to these owners it’s a better position to be in just providing a team and QB capable of contending for just making the playoffs which is easier to hype and promote hope than continuing to search for another QB all the time until you hit on or find one .

That’s reality in the NFL much to the dismay of many fans who are more SB or Bust type of fans. Just being a playoff contender isn’t enough for those who feel if you’re not playing for championships it’s a failure.

And this isn’t just directed at you but I’ve seen such a response by many. I know it’s not the answer they are looking for.
 

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Darnold played well for the 49ers last season but he didn't get much game time. Amazing signing by the Vikings. Basically a better version of Cousins at this point in their careers who can perform in prime time and for less money.
Vikings, Eagles, etc., have the evaluation skills to let someone walk & bring in another someone. We have an entertainment committee doling out contracts to the people they think best keep the "brand" name in play.
 

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he's an over rated 4th round qb that just got lucky in his rookie year and inherited a some what good team around him
and going to the one organization that would just hand him the keys and never actually evaluate his performance going forward. I mean, I would pay him to buy my lottery tickets cause he sure hit one.
 

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Dak is objectively not better than McNabb was. Playoffs is what counts and Dak is the worst playoff QB of all time. At least McNabb got there.
Dak arguement is just stupid. No quarterback has won ANYTHING since Troy. So quarterback isn't the issue.
 

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Could be but from what he’s said he likes his roster . And specifically said he likes his RB‘s. It’s a great example how foolish or idiotic he is. I think he actually believes he has enough talent on offense. Bizarre but would explain.
Jerrys says a lot of things. I don't expect PT Barnum to believe everything he says. In fact, I expect the truth value of what he says to be irrelevant to what he says. It goes back to selling entertainment.
"Come watch our games, our RBs are a joke" wouldn't be a great sales pitch.
 

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Jerrys says a lot of things. I don't expect PT Barnum to believe everything he says. In fact, I expect the truth value of what he says to be irrelevant to what he says. It goes back to selling entertainment.
"Come watch our games, our RBs are a joke" wouldn't be a great sales pitch.
I’m sure there’s some fabrication to promote his brand and downplaying of problems from Jethro like with any public figure but I also think he believes in much of what he says.
 

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I’m not a Dakster but without a running game or ability to stop the run this roster has no chance of a comeback against better teams without a QB as good as Dak.

That doesn’t mean he’s worth 60 mil , etc but he’s enough to give us a shot in some of these games we are overmatched.

We don’t have a RB, only 1 WR, a couple rookies on OL. Very bleak without an above average QB. I’d argue the weaknesses this roster has without a QB similar to Daks ability we are definitely a bottom tier team.

And we could become that regardless with these core weaknesses. But without Dak we absolutely have no shot on even sniffing 8 or 9 wins and a possible WC.
This is exactly what Romo endured except for the one-year DEZ caught the ball and the League office decided it wanted discount double check to advance. Romo could have a few Superbowl's, unfortunately he had Jerry, Garrett and a below average defense.
 

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Sure are a lot of Dak haters that are supposed to be Cowboy fans. Team has 99 problems but Dak is not one of them. There are better qbs in the league but teams are gonna have a hard time winning with no run game and a Defense that can’t stop the run.
 

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Well, he’s the man for our owners. Remember they are the ones who think he’s Elite or at least to provide stability and enough to build around . Not most Cowboys fans.

But we must also remember that over paying average to above average QB’s is the norm in NFL. Is Trevor Lawrence worth 55 mil? How about Love ? Is Tua worth 50+. Cousins certainly doesn’t look worth his contract. How about Murray. The list goes on.

Unfortunately this is the nature of the business in the NFL. It comes down to do you have a Franchise QB to build around or not . And how long until you find another one .

If it was up to me I’d be continually drafting another QB or heir apparent to provide more options so you aren’t hamstrung into over paying average Franchise QB’s to maintain a relevant chance to make the playoffs.

Franchise QB’s provide stability for teams. Then it becomes more about trying to build around them best you can. Of course the better these QB’s are the easier it is. And obviously greater possibility for success.

But unfortunately to these owners it’s a better position to be in just providing a team and QB capable of contending for just making the playoffs which is easier to hype and promote hope than continuing to search for another QB all the time until you hit on or find one .

That’s reality in the NFL much to the dismay of many fans who are more SB or Bust type of fans. Just being a playoff contender isn’t enough for those who feel if you’re not playing for championships it’s a failure.

And this isn’t just directed at you but I’ve seen such a response by many. I know it’s not the answer they are looking for.

Sam Darnold, Derek Carr, Baker Mayfield, and Geno Smith did not get record setting contracts. Yet they all look like average to slightly above average guys on better teams. Look what Brock Purdy looks like minus Christian McCaffrey. Do they pay him or look for someone else? I wonder what happens with his contract if the team really struggles this season without a top playmaker in the lineup. Some teams are just proving that they can do pretty well with a journeyman QB at low salary with lots of great surrounding pieces.
 

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Sam Darnold, Derek Carr, Baker Mayfield, and Geno Smith did not get record setting contracts. Yet they all look like average to slightly above average guys on better teams. Look what Brock Purdy looks like minus Christian McCaffrey. Do they pay him or look for someone else? I wonder what happens with his contract if the team really struggles this season without a top playmaker in the lineup. Some teams are just proving that they can do pretty well with a journeyman QB at low salary with lots of great surrounding pieces.
Obviously our ownership doesn’t place Prescott in that journeyman category. Why do you think that is?
 

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Obviously our ownership doesn’t place Prescott in that journeyman category. Why do you think that is?

Because Jerry is about to turn 82 and drinks 1/5 of bourbon daily. The other teams have way more flexibility in making moves, if the need/desire strikes them. I keep wondering if some of the league is starting to realize who the real difference makers are for certain teams.

Trends like QB’s of certain tiers being devalued might be good for the game overall. It is obviously okay to just wait for a guy that has been around the NFL for awhile, can command a pro style offense, and limits the mistakes and makes correct reads and can throw okay. This assuming you have a decent oline and some real weapons on offense.
 

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We must be watching completely different games. I'm watching the QB who is 2-5 (NFL record) in the playoffs.
While he’s obviously had his issues in the playoffs , I’m not sure I’d argue he’s been one of the key problems so far this season which is what it appears he was stating. Maybe I misinterpreted?
 

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Because Jerry is about to turn 82 and drinks 1/5 of bourbon daily. The other teams have way more flexibility in making moves, if the need/desire strikes them. I keep wondering if some of the league is starting to realize who the real difference makers are for certain teams.

Trends like QB’s of certain tiers being devalued might be good for the game overall. It is obviously okay to just wait for a guy that has been around the NFL for awhile, can command a pro style offense, and limits the mistakes and makes correct reads and can throw okay. This assuming you have a decent oline and some real weapons on offense.
Yea but overall these Franchise QB’s market price contracts aren’t a pecking order. It represents more about when you signed. Like Dak 3 years ago his deal was close to the top but up until current deal was 14th highest paid which was probably a better pecking order for him.

These deals this summer in 2-3 years will be probably average assuming Cap continue rising about 10% a year. It’s obviously a flawed system when it comes to QB contracts but it doesn’t appear it’s going to change with supply and demand issues.

What we also don’t always take into account as fans is teams QB’s also represents the figurehead franchises promote their label which is a huge merchandising and recognition mechanism.

Without a Franchise QB it is very difficult to sell their fans they have a product to build around. At some point of course if fans lose faith then it can wear thin on fans and ownership. It doesn’t appear to have wore thin on our ownership yet which means Dak is still a product they believe they can promote and build some fans hope around.

The fact he has so many sponsors using him to promote their product would support this notion despite however sour some fans have become. We must always remember the NFL is a business first. And QB’s are the most marketable product in the game.
 

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You forgot to mention they have the best defense in the NFL who have been off to one of the best starts ever...
coincidentally the chiefs haven't given up more than 25 points in a single game since 2022... I can't put my finger on it, but seems to be a correlation between defense and qb winning percentage, especially in january?

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