World's Finest (Batman/Superman) movie set for 2015

[Rogah]

They could handle Hawkeye and the Black Widow in the Avengers.

But as someone else in this thread pointed out, now you're talking about the minor, supporting characters. Furthermore, none of the other Avengers heroes or villains were as ridiculously overpowered as Superman is. Superman could have Batman behind bars before he even knew he was being moved. Avengers is simply far superior to any Justice League team DC could put forth because there is far more balance. The closest thing Avengers has to an overpowered character is the Hulk, but he's not terribly bright or ridiculously fast or can shoot lasers out his eyes like Superman so the character still works.

I like Superman and I like Batman and I thought Man of Steel was a really good movie. But the idea of them co-existing side by side in a movie (or, even worse, fighting each other) is a recipe for disaster.

 

[TheCount]

Just because he's British doesn't mean people will throw a fit. I mean, Bale was British and people loved him as Batman!

In all seriousness though, Idris Elba is awesome, but I think there's been more speculation on whether he'd accept the role for John Stewart (Green Lantern) later on.

Ah, that's an interesting one. Hadn't heard about that role. I had also heard some talk about him being the first "British" Bond.

 

[trentmonster]

How come the Marvel crowd is always preaching that the DC characters are not believable or unable to translate to movies, yet none of them questions the quarter inch shock absorbers that allow Ironman to fly through trees or crash land in a metal suit? I guess it's believable because he always gets up holding his head.

 

[Rogah]

How come the Marvel crowd is always preaching that the DC characters are not believable or unable to translate to movies, yet none of them questions the quarter inch shock absorbers that allow Ironman to fly through trees or crash land in a metal suit? I guess it's believable because he always gets up holding his head.

I don't consider myself a "Marvel person" - I just acknowledge the undeniable fact that the Marvel movies of the past 5 years have been far superior to the DC movies of the same timeframe. However, I don't think you understand what we are saying.

Superman translates great into the movies, I enjoyed the recent Man of Steel. Batman also translates well into the movies. The Nolan trilogy is overrated, but still worth the price of admission. What we're saying is that the 2 of them appearing in the same movie together won't translate well, especially if they are at odds with one another, and especially especially if they're trying to create a Justice League movie with characters such as the Green Lantern or Flash.

 

[TheCount]

I don't consider myself a "Marvel person" - I just acknowledge the undeniable fact that the Marvel movies of the past 5 years have been far superior to the DC movies of the same timeframe. However, I don't think you understand what we are saying.

Superman translates great into the movies, I enjoyed the recent Man of Steel. Batman also translates well into the movies. The Nolan trilogy is overrated, but still worth the price of admission. What we're saying is that the 2 of them appearing in the same movie together won't translate well, especially if they are at odds with one another, and especially especially if they're trying to create a Justice League movie with characters such as the Green Lantern or Flash.

I'm not a huge fan of the Superman franchise for the reasons you stated - he's overpowered, but I think they can certainly make them work, you just need the right people in place. Alan Moore created a world were a Demi-God in Dr. Manhattan could exist with a common, everyday sociopath in The Comedian. It's doable.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Sorry, but just because something works in comic books does not mean it will work on the big screen. A movie is going to be held to higher standards and is going to have to appeal to a wider audience than the comic fanboys.

I guess. Just doesn't make any real sense to me since it's a movie based off a comic book. I mean if people go into a movie based off of a comic book or superheros and are holding those movies to some weird regular movie standard then that's just weird to me. Sorry not trying to fight with you or anything it just s really a very weird thing when it comes to that kind of movie.

 

[CashMan]

I'm not sure what you mean by that since he hasn't really had a big budget movie. He had a pair of low-to-medium budget movies which did quite well at the box office and were high quality films, each of which were stylistically a radical departure from the usual Hollywood nonsense.

He has more of a comic book look to the movies. Which I think if more of a trick thing to do, to make a lower budget movie to look good. When you have a big budget movie, you don't shoot a movie like that.

Also, if they are moving away from Nolan's franchise of Batman, which was dark, I don't see Miller's version coming to light.

 

[Nova]

I'm not a huge fan of the Superman franchise for the reasons you stated - he's overpowered, but I think they can certainly make them work, you just need the right people in place. Alan Moore created a world were a Demi-God in Dr. Manhattan could exist with a common, everyday sociopath in The Comedian. It's doable.

Dr. Manhattan is probably a top 3 in terms of power across comic universes-- he's incredibly more powerful than superman. The problem is, he's not all that interested in human affairs.

And that's what made him an interesting character... at least to me. He didn't find life all that important.

 

[BAZ]

How come the Marvel crowd is always preaching that the DC characters are not believable or unable to translate to movies, yet none of them questions the quarter inch shock absorbers that allow Ironman to fly through trees or crash land in a metal suit? I guess it's believable because he always gets up holding his head.

Because they pulled the Avengers off and DC struggle? Bats is on his fifth or sixth, Supes got rebooted a few years after his last effort flamed out, Green Lantern was embarrassingly bad. Marvel put out a few good movies, a couple of bad ones and tied them all together nicely. DC have to reboot the best of the bunch because the director/actor left. Things will change *cough* guardians of the galaxy *cough*, but for now. They are chip leader.

 

[Nova]

Because they pulled the Avengers off and DC struggle? Bats is on his fifth or sixth, Supes got rebooted a few years after his last effort flamed out, Green Lantern was embarrassingly bad. Marvel put out a few good movies, a couple of bad ones and tied them all together nicely. DC have to reboot the best of the bunch because the director/actor left. Things will change *cough* guardians of the galaxy *cough*, but for now. They are chip leader.

In addition to that The Avengers were a more original film concept. How many Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and Hulk movies had there been vs how many Batman, Superman movies (not to mention, Smallville).

While The Avengers weren't 'new', they were fresh to the silver screen.

Also the expectations have been raised, and this superhero movie bubble is closer and closer to bursting with each film release.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

In addition to that The Avengers were a more original film concept. How many Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and Hulk movies had there been vs how many Batman, Superman movies (not to mention, Smallville).

While The Avengers weren't 'new', they were fresh to the silver screen.

Also the expectations have been raised, and this superhero movie bubble is closer and closer to bursting with each film release.

That type of catastrophe would be like seeing texts from Tony Parker on your girl's cell phone.

 

[Rogah]

Dr. Manhattan is probably a top 3 in terms of power across comic universes-- he's incredibly more powerful than superman. The problem is, he's not all that interested in human affairs.

And that's what made him an interesting character... at least to me. He didn't find life all that important.

Exactly. For most of the movie, he was little more than a casual observer of what was going on. At times he seemed interested in maintaining what little bit of humanity remained in him, but then at other times he seemed happy to let that go. Whenever he fought someone - whether we're talking about him fighting the Vietnamese or Rorshach - that person just exploded into a cloud of blood and entrails. Not much drama there, but that's ok because "Dr. Manhattan versus Rorshach" was not the central theme of the movie.

 

[Rogah]

Because they pulled the Avengers off and DC struggle? Bats is on his fifth or sixth, Supes got rebooted a few years after his last effort flamed out, Green Lantern was embarrassingly bad. Marvel put out a few good movies, a couple of bad ones and tied them all together nicely. DC have to reboot the best of the bunch because the director/actor left. Things will change *cough* guardians of the galaxy *cough*, but for now. They are chip leader.

l think that movie looks to be shockingly, horrifyingly atrocious. I don't know what the heck they were thinking when they greenlighted it. And it will bring into the Marvel Universe the same criticism I have of Batman vs. Superman; i.e. 2 groups of heroes of ridiculously different scales of power that they cannot realistically share the same movie universe.

I haven't seen it (obviously) so I really should mute my criticism but let's just say I shudder to think of the direction Marvel Studios is currently headed.

And you know what the real shame is? In the mid-90's, after the abysmal Batman Forever and Batman & Robin movies, Hollywood said "oh, well I guess people are tired of comic book movies so let's stop making them." Of course, it wasn't that people were tired of comic book movies, it was that people weren't going to pay to see fetid pieces of donkey dung. I hope that doesn't happen here.

 

[TheCount]

Dr. Manhattan is probably a top 3 in terms of power across comic universes-- he's incredibly more powerful than superman. The problem is, he's not all that interested in human affairs.

And that's what made him an interesting character... at least to me. He didn't find life all that important.

Well that's an interesting idea right there. What would have to happen to make Superman stop caring about Earth?

 

[Rogah]

Well that's an interesting idea right there. What would have to happen to make Superman stop caring about Earth?

Maybe some villain could try to synthesize kryptonite, but they didn't have the chemical components mixed perfectly. So instead of killing or hurting Superman, it just turned him into a real *******.

Nah... no one would be stupid enough to use that idea..... ;-)

 

[TheCount]

Maybe some villain could try to synthesize kryptonite, but they didn't have the chemical components mixed perfectly. So instead of killing or hurting Superman, it just turned him into a real *******.

Nah... no one would be stupid enough to use that idea..... ;-)

Sounds oddly familiar!

 

[khiladi]

Watchmen was one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life. No attempt to explain it could save that disaster. I was worried when Snyder was doing "Man of Steel" based on that disaster alone.

 

[khiladi]

But DC still holds on to the notion that a guy can put on a pair of glasses and completely fool everyone around him.

You mean that notion held twenty or thirty years ago?

 

[khiladi]

What has he acted well in and don't give me MOS, he was wooden as a plank in that.

He was in Count of Monte Cristo and Stardust as an aside...

 

[BAZ]

He was in Count of Monte Cristo and Stardust as an aside...

I've seen Stardust and don't remember him in, so I'll watch it again.